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Old 02-04-2013, 00:56   #1
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S&W M&P 9mm full size flub

Got a chance to shoot my buddy's dad's new M&P 9mm today. Don't like the trigger. Gun shoots accurately enough I guess.

That is beside the point... Had a pretty nasty flub-up: in the middle of shooting, at round 11/16 in the mag, gun fails to fire.

I tap, rack, check and go. Click, again! Rip the mag, work the slide, and see no blockages in the chamber. Check the mag before reseating it and see NO round on top. Look down in the mag and see rounds 11 and 12 are crossed over each other with 11 pointed down and 12 pointing up towards me. Tried banging the mag on the bench to no avail. Had to strip apart the mag. Rounds 13-16 fell out of the bottom while rounds 11-12 remained crossed in the middle of the mag!

Had to prod them out with a pocket knife. Ammo was federal American eagle 115gr and gun had about 100 total rounds fired today and only 50 prior to today's range trip and was cleaned and oiled before today. Brand new gun. Followers on all mags appeared identical. No burrs inside the faulty mag tube. Totally baffled as to wtf happened. Needless to say I'm glad I never bought one when they came out and i was considering it.

Then the kicker at the end of the range trip, my buddy's dad's M&P case fell apart (both latches popped off and wouldn't stay back on the damn case lol). Horrible.


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Old 02-04-2013, 01:02   #2
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The trigger will get better after being broken in more. You can get an APEX kit for about $95 and it will vastly improved or just get the APEX sear for $35 and it will be an improvement.






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Old 02-04-2013, 01:04   #3
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**I** can stick with Glock. **He** can try all that extra jazz on his turd lol. Polished turd is still a turd


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Old 02-04-2013, 02:13   #4
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**I** can stick with Glock. **He** can try all that extra jazz on his turd lol. Polished turd is still a turd


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Yeah, we know how friggin awesome those glock triggers are out of the box. Rumor has it Colt and Les Baer are trying to license thier trigger components for thier pistols.
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Old 02-04-2013, 03:05   #5
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Yeah, we know how friggin awesome those glock triggers are out of the box. Rumor has it Colt and Les Baer are trying to license thier trigger components for thier pistols.
QFT.

I have a full-size M&P 9mm, and out of the box, it shot WAY better than my Glock did out of it's box, and continues to do so to this day.
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Old 02-04-2013, 04:00   #6
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Yeah, we know how friggin awesome those glock triggers are out of the box. Rumor has it Colt and Les Baer are trying to license thier trigger components for thier pistols.
I have never understood Glock owners bashing Smith triggers. They both suck. Glock at best is a Sig non SRT trigger gun.
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Old 02-04-2013, 05:33   #7
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**I** can stick with Glock. **He** can try all that extra jazz on his turd lol. Polished turd is still a turd


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Yeah, you just can't compare anything to Glock perfection.









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I'm confused:

The pistol shot fine, despite a new trigger needing breaking-in.

There was a human-error issue with the mag, of somehow improperly loading cartridges, or just a freak occurance. And there was (what sounds like) a human error with the case, which means nothing about the pistol itself.

But the OP is hating on the pistol, like it did anything less than perform as well as the person handling it could make it.
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:43   #9
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A human error issue with the mag? Lol


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Old 02-04-2013, 11:50   #10
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A human error issue with the mag? Lol


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Or a random freak occurance.

Either of those possibilities are valid, as you yourself are "Totally baffled as to wtf happened".

You wanted to hate on the pistol, so you did. Fine, but don't assume your hate will just be taken at face value and accepted.
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Old 02-04-2013, 12:06   #11
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Got a chance to shoot my buddy's dad's new M&P 9mm today. Don't like the trigger. Gun shoots accurately enough I guess.

That is beside the point... Had a pretty nasty flub-up: in the middle of shooting, at round 11/16 in the mag, gun fails to fire.

I tap, rack, check and go. Click, again! Rip the mag, work the slide, and see no blockages in the chamber. Check the mag before reseating it and see NO round on top. Look down in the mag and see rounds 11 and 12 are crossed over each other with 11 pointed down and 12 pointing up towards me. Tried banging the mag on the bench to no avail. Had to strip apart the mag. Rounds 13-16 fell out of the bottom while rounds 11-12 remained crossed in the middle of the mag!

Had to prod them out with a pocket knife. Ammo was federal American eagle 115gr and gun had about 100 total rounds fired today and only 50 prior to today's range trip and was cleaned and oiled before today. Brand new gun. Followers on all mags appeared identical. No burrs inside the faulty mag tube. Totally baffled as to wtf happened. Needless to say I'm glad I never bought one when they came out and i was considering it.

Then the kicker at the end of the range trip, my buddy's dad's M&P case fell apart (both latches popped off and wouldn't stay back on the damn case lol). Horrible.


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You do realize that the case really doesn't matter that much and that some of the nicest pistols made come in cardboard boxes right? My Glock trigger is just now bordering on decent after shooting roughly 10k rounds through it and polishing all the internals. It's much better than most Glocks I've felt and still can't compare to some $300 pistols.
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Old 02-04-2013, 12:38   #12
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Got a chance to shoot my buddy's dad's new M&P 9mm today. Don't like the trigger. Gun shoots accurately enough I guess.

That is beside the point... Had a pretty nasty flub-up: in the middle of shooting, at round 11/16 in the mag, gun fails to fire.

I tap, rack, check and go. Click, again! Rip the mag, work the slide, and see no blockages in the chamber. Check the mag before reseating it and see NO round on top. Look down in the mag and see rounds 11 and 12 are crossed over each other with 11 pointed down and 12 pointing up towards me. Tried banging the mag on the bench to no avail. Had to strip apart the mag. Rounds 13-16 fell out of the bottom while rounds 11-12 remained crossed in the middle of the mag!

Had to prod them out with a pocket knife. Ammo was federal American eagle 115gr and gun had about 100 total rounds fired today and only 50 prior to today's range trip and was cleaned and oiled before today. Brand new gun. Followers on all mags appeared identical. No burrs inside the faulty mag tube. Totally baffled as to wtf happened. Needless to say I'm glad I never bought one when they came out and i was considering it.

Then the kicker at the end of the range trip, my buddy's dad's M&P case fell apart (both latches popped off and wouldn't stay back on the damn case lol). Horrible.


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There is no perfect pistol and not every gun is for everyone. I don't know about the mag problem, but other than that seems like you just don't care for the gun.

I've run M&Ps in 9mm, .40 and .45. In 9mm, I personally prefer Glock. For me, the M&P 9 has more potential problems than I really want to deal with. It's personal preference and I think if the gun works for someone, it does. It's certainly a better choice than some others out there and the box/latch problem, to me, isn't a big deal.
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Old 02-04-2013, 12:39   #13
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Old 02-04-2013, 13:00   #14
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My m&p9 has run flawless. I am smart enough to properly load a mag though. From my experience it is on par with the glock.


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Got a chance to shoot my buddy's dad's new M&P 9mm today. Don't like the trigger. Gun shoots accurately enough I guess.

That is beside the point... Had a pretty nasty flub-up: in the middle of shooting, at round 11/16 in the mag, gun fails to fire.

I tap, rack, check and go. Click, again! Rip the mag, work the slide, and see no blockages in the chamber. Check the mag before reseating it and see NO round on top. Look down in the mag and see rounds 11 and 12 are crossed over each other with 11 pointed down and 12 pointing up towards me. Tried banging the mag on the bench to no avail. Had to strip apart the mag. Rounds 13-16 fell out of the bottom while rounds 11-12 remained crossed in the middle of the mag!

Had to prod them out with a pocket knife. Ammo was federal American eagle 115gr and gun had about 100 total rounds fired today and only 50 prior to today's range trip and was cleaned and oiled before today. Brand new gun. Followers on all mags appeared identical. No burrs inside the faulty mag tube. Totally baffled as to wtf happened. Needless to say I'm glad I never bought one when they came out and i was considering it.

Then the kicker at the end of the range trip, my buddy's dad's M&P case fell apart (both latches popped off and wouldn't stay back on the damn case lol). Horrible.


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You sir/ma'am are an epic-fail!
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Old 02-04-2013, 14:22   #16
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OP, if you were hoping for a bash everything else, drool all over the glock fanboy fest, you should have posted in General Glocking, those guys eat that stuff up. This sub-forum tends to be more sensible.
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Old 02-04-2013, 14:51   #17
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My m&p9 has run flawless. I am smart enough to properly load a mag though. From my experience it is on par with the glock.


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I'm sure I forgot how to load a mag between 21 years of shooting and today, and between all the pistol courses, shooting competitions, police academy, and weapons instructor school, too.

From my experience, its a turd. I might have talked badly about your favorite gun but I didn't bad mouth you (or anyone else who resorted to the ad hominem attacks) or assume you're inexperienced. Thanks for your input though


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Old 02-04-2013, 15:01   #18
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I'm sure I forgot how to load a mag between 21 years ago and today. From my experience its a turd.


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I've not forgotten how to load a magazine, but don't beat yourself up over it. I'm sure at some point someone else has forgotten besides you. We all have our moments.
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I heard about a guy who loaded a magazine backwards and shot himself...... Lol. True story I heard it from a guy who heard it from a guy.....

I shoot Glocks and M&P .40 both are fine weapons and have pluses and minuses.....
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Old 02-04-2013, 18:00   #20
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The M&P trigger does suck but it's totally a none issue if you stop fretting about it.
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