Do you think someone is behind these murders?

M&P Shooter · 02-03-2013, 16:57

Just wondering if I'm the only one to think that maybe, just maybe there's someone behind these murders?

Made Man · 02-03-2013, 16:59

I'm with you.

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nursetim · 02-03-2013, 17:06

No, tragedy just plain sucks. Ocums (sp?) razor applies here. It sucks but there it is. We are deminished by the lose of 2 of these men, I don't know about the producer fellow.

I wouldn't spend a whole lot of time looking for conspiracies around every corner. It makes you tired and miserable unnecessarily.

ray9898 · 02-03-2013, 17:07

....and here we go. This place might as well be Infowars.

sappy13 · 02-03-2013, 17:11

I would really hope not. If they were, it would be just like every other major conspiracy regarding the government. No one will ever know because as soon as it gets close to being leaked, people and evidence will disappear

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racerford · 02-03-2013, 17:15

Yes there was someone behind the first 2. Likely the people that pulled the trigger. However, I doubt they were the same person. We already have a good idea who was behind Chris' death.

If several of the anti-gun politicians started dying in various ways, would you think Wayne Lapierre was behind it?

Restless28 · 02-03-2013, 17:20

What a moronic idea.

M&P Shooter · 02-03-2013, 17:27

The bounty was mentioned being placed on Chris's head by insurgents. I wonder if there was any involvement with this POS that pulled the trigger and some communication via the internet with any terrorist? I know this sounds crazy but any dam thing is possible today.

Hec912 · 02-03-2013, 17:28

Very sad indeed

ranger1968 · 02-03-2013, 17:29

John Noveskes' car accident is now a "murder" ?

M&P Shooter · 02-03-2013, 17:30

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Originally Posted by Restless28

What a moronic idea.

Why is it moronic to believe this tyrant administration is possible of horrible acts to further push a agenda? We have alreadt seen with our own eyes this administration lie to the people of this country, let Americans die in Benghazi, allow drug cartels to purchase AR-15's on American soil and take them back to Mexico, ignore the Constitution and try to bypass Congress and I can go on and on.

M&P Shooter · 02-03-2013, 17:33

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Originally Posted by ranger1968

John Noveskes' car accident is now a "murder" ?

No this is just a notion that maybe these 3 avid 2nd Amendment supporters died very close together and could be related somehow. I am not saying anything other then does anybody else besides me believe that maybe, just maybe there's a chance there could be one or more politicians or a organization behind these latest shootings to push the anti gun agenda.

Made Man · 02-03-2013, 17:36

Some people believe in our government, some people don't.

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Ohio Copper · 02-03-2013, 18:00

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Bren · 02-03-2013, 18:01

Strange coincidence, much like the timing and details of the Newtown shooting, but unless you have evidence it is more, it's still just a coincidence.

**RussP** · 02-03-2013, 18:16

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Originally Posted by M&P Shooter

No this is just a notion that maybe these 3 avid 2nd Amendment supporters died very close together and could be related somehow. I am not saying anything other then does anybody else besides me believe that maybe, just maybe there's a chance there could be one or more politicians or a organization behind these latest shootings to push the anti gun agenda.

No, just unfortunate coincidence, like Bren said.

method · 02-03-2013, 18:19

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Originally Posted by M&P Shooter

No this is just a notion that maybe these 3 avid 2nd Amendment supporters died very close together and could be related somehow. I am not saying anything other then does anybody else besides me believe that maybe, just maybe there's a chance there could be one or more politicians or a organization behind these latest shootings to push the anti gun agenda.

If Noveske died in a car accident and wasn't murdered, how the hell could it be related in any way with the two murders?

Huaco Kid · 02-03-2013, 18:21

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the fact that Bush orchestrated 9-11.

pizza_pablo · 02-03-2013, 18:24

Unfortunately, I wouldn't be surprised.
What does surprise me, is so many GTers, that think our current gov / liberals / progressives wouldn't do such a thing.

M&P Shooter · 02-03-2013, 18:28

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Originally Posted by Bren

Strange coincidence, much like the timing and details of the Newtown shooting, but unless you have evidence it is more, it's still just a coincidence.

I agree with you on the without evidence part, my mind always start to wonder when there are a lot of coincidences. Dam shame lately we have been losing so many children and good men & women

oldgraywolf · 02-03-2013, 18:30

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Originally Posted by Huaco Kid

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the fact that Bush orchestrated 9-11.

There's a poster who can explain it all to you, supported by factual videos and highly informative websites......

Ewalk · 02-03-2013, 18:36

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Originally Posted by ranger1968

John Noveskes' car accident is now a "murder" ?

I Am Not Advocating For Either Side But Isn't General Patton's Car Accident Still A Bit Of A Debate whether Or Not It Was Staged?

Again I Am Not Saying That Noveske Or Patton's Death Was a Hit But I AM Saying That This Administration, OR Any Government for that matter Is Not incapable of that type of thing. I think that fast and furious is a perfect example of that fact. I would need much more evidence to conclude either one of them was anything more than an accident. But I personally wouldn't immediately think it was impossible (not saying that is what you are doing).
I apologize for the odd placement of capitals in my post I was using ”Swype” and it does that .

***Peace Warrior*** · 02-03-2013, 18:41

Either Cui bono, or Cui prodest, but at the present time, unless someone comes up with substantial evidence, all we are left with is speculation and many unconnected dots.

Even so, all things equal, the Keith Ratliff murder is really suspicious in the way it was accomplished. The facts surrounding his murder indicate the killer, or killers, appear to be sending a message. Who the recipient of the message may be is not something most of us will know. Those around him and or in his circle will have a better idea of what;s going on.

It may not be an OFFICIAL white house inspired conspiracy, unless you count "loose cannon" rhetoric in the minds of certain sheeple, but in this day and age, any group can believe they are doing the will of '"der furher" by killing those that they believe oppose him. (NOTE: Yes, I know the article speaks of NRA members. I know these men were both outspoken and on the front line with respect to gun rights and Liberty for all Americans, so, does anyone know if these guys were NRA members or not?

countrygun · 02-03-2013, 18:43

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Originally Posted by oldgraywolf

There's a poster who can explain it all to you, supported by factual videos and highly informative websites......

Don't you dare push his "Go" button.

***Peace Warrior*** · 02-03-2013, 18:45

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Originally Posted by pizza_pablo

Unfortunately, I wouldn't be surprised.
What does surprise me, is so many GTers, that think our current gov / liberals / progressives wouldn't do such a thing.

On one side you have people refusing to address, or in some cases even admit to their own intrinsic cognitive dissonance, and on the other side you have globalists and their sheeple, which the former are in agreement and the latter haven't a clue and therefore nary a care either.