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Old 02-03-2013, 13:13   #21
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It amazes me that people say birdshot. If I had a 20G I would run 000 buck or #4 buck in it and I would not feel under armed. 20G is a great option.
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Old 02-03-2013, 16:20   #22
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While it is indeed possible to load 00 buck into a 2 3/4" or 3" 20 gauge shotgun shell with the proper components, it is not an efficient way to deliver maximum killing energy to the target for this gauge, and it just isn't worth the trouble. This is because 20 gauge has a bore of about .615", 00 Buckshot is about .33" in diameter, so they will not "stack" evenly into "tiers" in the shell and in a shot cup (and therefore don't pattern well), and you can't fit enough 00 into the shell to make for an effective load. Most factory 20 gauge buckshot shells are loaded with either #2 (about .27") or #3 buckshot (about .25").
What I find odd is that you can't find them in 20 ga. but you can find 000 buckshot .410 loads 3" with 5 pellets.
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Old 02-03-2013, 17:05   #23
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Birdshot is for the birds.
Yep. Last time I saw birdshot used for self defense in real life, it was about #6. The 2 guys who were shot only agreed to go to the hospital to avoid being arrested to being drunk. Mostly, the pellets just fell out of their skin. If #6 was seriously dangerous, we'd have a lot more dead rabbit and bird hunters, because getting shot isn't uncommon at all for them.

Birdshot only works at distances so close that anything you put in the gun, including the plastic wad/cup, will penetrate.
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Old 02-04-2013, 08:53   #24
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Birdshot only works at distances so close that anything you put in the gun, including the plastic wad/cup, will penetrate.
Thank you
That was my point inside of an average size house. Your average shot is measured in feet not yards.
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:07   #25
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Why would you NOT use 00. It has enough pellets and a decent weight. Given a choice that seems logical.
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:09   #26
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...If a person hears the racking of a shotgun and still comes toward the sound he is either stupid, on drugs, or deaf.
Oh-oh... better wear my hearing aids if I go rob a house...
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:45   #27
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Why would you NOT use 00. It has enough pellets and a decent weight. Given a choice that seems logical.
The IWBA research states #1 buckshot is superior to 00 buckshot. That's what I load and use for defense.

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"Number 1 buck is the smallest diameter shot that reliably and consistently penetrates more than 12 inches of standard ordnance gelatin when fired at typical shotgun engagement distances. A standard 2 -inch 12 gauge shotshell contains 16 pellets of #1 buck. The total combined cross sectional area of the 16 pellets is 1.13 square inches. Compared to the total combined cross sectional area of the nine pellets in a standard #00 (double-aught) buck shotshell (0.77 square inches), the # 1 buck shotshell has the capacity to produce over 30 percent more potentially effective wound trauma. In all shotshell loads, number 1 buckshot produces more potentially effective wound trauma than either #00 or #000 buck. In addition, number 1 buck is less likely to over-penetrate and exit an attacker's body."
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Old 02-04-2013, 18:23   #28
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Not reloads but...

I keep my 870 stoked with these.

Bought these several years ago, so thought I'd show the price tag. Have no idea what these goes for now, or if one can even buy any at this time.

I feel confident that if I did my part, the BG is going to have a very bad day.

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Old 02-13-2013, 19:34   #29
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Old 02-13-2013, 21:15   #30
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Does his 20 ga except 3" if they do then get #1 or 2! If not then #4 is the best one!

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/175...llets-box-of-5

If you can find any? Looking around semms nobody has any! Like everything else!
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Old 02-13-2013, 21:53   #31
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Molds arn't expensive. http://buckshotmold.com/ Maybe they will custom make a mold.(like a #3 and #1 buck combo)

Birdshot has poor penetration, I won't use it for SD.

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