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Old 02-02-2013, 10:20   #1
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Best shot size for 20ga. defense rounds?

I need to order some shot or a mold to make my dad some defense rounds for his 20ga. pump.

He is saying he wants 3 Buck but I can buy one of the sharpshooter molds that will give me 4 and 00.

But again, what shot size would yall suggest?

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Old 02-02-2013, 10:23   #2
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Does he have any close neighbors? I prefer finer shot if you do, #6 at the most. If he misses...
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Old 02-02-2013, 10:32   #3
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Does he have any close neighbors? I prefer finer shot if you do, #6 at the most. If he misses...
He'll most likely be firing down a stair well so penetration isn't an issue as it'll just land in the floor/front yard anyway.

Again, I'm looking for the most effective at stopping a bad guy. Best combination of penetration and spread.

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Old 02-02-2013, 10:33   #4
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go with the 4.

oo will only have a few pellets.

Spread is determined by the choke.
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Does he have any close neighbors? I prefer finer shot if you do, #6 at the most. If he misses...
Birdshot is for the birds.
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Old 02-02-2013, 11:20   #6
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Birdshot is for the birds.
Depends on the distance.
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Old 02-02-2013, 11:28   #7
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Depends on the distance.
Yah ask anyone who hunts with Dick Cheney.

It also depends on what the bad guy is wearing and the cycle of the moon.

How do you get the bad guy to stand at the right distance ?

I thought everybody with any experience had already decided that anything that will reliably stop an opponent will be dangerous if you miss. It seems rather obvious. Otherwise, the ammo companies would be turning out "Tactical #6 loads for Law Enforcement" since they have the same concerns about collateral damage as a civilian.

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Old 02-02-2013, 11:40   #8
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00 would hold 9 pellets.
#4 would hold 24 pellets.
Personally I would start with a slug and then transition to buck shot. (A 12 gauge slug will go through a trauma plate at close range.)
But of your choices I would go with 00.

If you are interested in penetration into buildings go to box of truth.
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Old 02-02-2013, 14:46   #9
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Yah ask anyone who hunts with Dick Cheney.

It also depends on what the bad guy is wearing and the cycle of the moon.

How do you get the bad guy to stand at the right distance ?

I thought everybody with any experience had already decided that anything that will reliably stop an opponent will be dangerous if you miss. It seems rather obvious. Otherwise, the ammo companies would be turning out "Tactical #6 loads for Law Enforcement" since they have the same concerns about collateral damage as a civilian.
Yes it depends on the distance. If you just want a shotgun for in house defense? If you have an average size house? In most cases the longest shot is going to be about 20 feet or less. What is on the other side of that inside wall you might be shooting at? What are your outside walls made of and what is on the other side of those walls?
Yes police carry whatever. Because they don’t know if they have to use it if is going to be inside of a house or an outside 50 yard shot. You go running outside and make that 50 yard shot. At that point it’s kind of hard to prove that you were still in fear of our or your family’s life. At that point in become revenge. Unless you carry a city, county, state, or federal badge.
One time I had a direct hit on a pheasant at about 15 to 20 feet. Using 7.5 or number 8 shoot. All that was left was feathers.

Most of the time if you just rack the slide on a pump shotgun. Who ever is in your house is going to leave or yell out.
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Old 02-02-2013, 18:20   #10
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Take a shotgun to the range and fire at targets at across the room distance . Generally less then 7 yards.
You will find birdshot is pretty devasting at short range. It stays clumped together.
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Take a shotgun to the range and fire at targets at across the room distance . Generally less then 7 yards.
You will find birdshot is pretty devasting at short range. It stays clumped together.
Go to the shotgun section and do some research, or better yet post up your theory and see how it flies.

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One time I had a direct hit on a pheasant at about 15 to 20 feet. Using 7.5 or number 8 shoot. All that was left was feathers.

Most of the time if you just rack the slide on a pump shotgun. Who ever is in your house is going to leave or yell out.
I once killed a grouse with a slingshot, doesn't make it a great home defense weapon.

The "Ching-Chung" speech you gotta be kidding me/

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only an IDIOT would stand in front of a charge of birdshot at close range!
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Old 02-02-2013, 19:46   #14
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And then, there's the #8 poor man's slug....

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I once killed a grouse with a slingshot, doesn't make it a great home defense weapon.

The "Ching-Chung" speech you gotta be kidding me/

Only if all you had left was feathers.

Read the book No Second Place Winners by Bill Jordan.
To bad Jack doesn't post anymore. He has shot someone with a shotgun.
A friend of mine came back early from a trip. He was in bed when he heard the door open and then heard someone coming up the stairs. He grabbed his shotgun and racked the slide. His friend didnít know he was back and came over to check on the house. When he heard the racking of the slide he started yelling out.
If a person hears the racking of a shotgun and still comes toward the sound he is either stupid, on drugs, or deaf.
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Old 02-02-2013, 20:49   #16
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During then"depression" gangster gun fighters preferred #4's
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Old 02-02-2013, 20:57   #17
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First of all I would suggest that for home defense, he and/or you should use factory ammo just to avoid any liability issues.


That being said, I would recommend what most factories use in their loads, #3 buckshot. Depending on the load a 2 ĺ” 20 Ga. will hold 20 to 24 pellets of #3 buck. Now according to Lyman’s’ Shotshell Reloading Handbook 4th Edition, (you do have a good shotshell reloading handbook don’t you??) a pellet of #3 buck is 0.25” in diameter and weighs a tad over 23 grains. One of their loads holds 20 pellets and gives a velocity of 1341 fps. Those 20 pellets are basically a 1 1/8 oz. load. Not to shabby for a 20 Ga.
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Go to the shotgun section and do some research, or better yet post up your theory and see how it flies.

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There is virtually no difference in 20ga vs. 12ga when it comes to buck penetration. The only difference I have seen is in the number of pellets.

IMHO, #4 buck is the smallest I will go.

I will also say that there is no reason to buy buck and reload for your father's home defense. He is not going to shoot lots and lots of ammo. It is more cost effective to buy factory ammo. VS. Buy buck, buy/have hulls, buy wads, buy powder, shoot and test, shoot and test, maybe the have hulls that don't like to stay closed in long term storage.....
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Just my opinion here but, I'd just buy him about 10 rounds of
low recoil buckshot. I use 00, but anything up to #4 would do.
5 in the gun, 5 in a carrier attachment. If he needs more than
the 10, he need's more than a shotgun.
I am not being flippant here, but the rounds aren't that expensive and it would save you the expense of time and
components.
Talk to Aippi, he knows more about shotguns than I ever will.
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Old 02-03-2013, 12:13   #21
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It amazes me that people say birdshot. If I had a 20G I would run 000 buck or #4 buck in it and I would not feel under armed. 20G is a great option.
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While it is indeed possible to load 00 buck into a 2 3/4" or 3" 20 gauge shotgun shell with the proper components, it is not an efficient way to deliver maximum killing energy to the target for this gauge, and it just isn't worth the trouble. This is because 20 gauge has a bore of about .615", 00 Buckshot is about .33" in diameter, so they will not "stack" evenly into "tiers" in the shell and in a shot cup (and therefore don't pattern well), and you can't fit enough 00 into the shell to make for an effective load. Most factory 20 gauge buckshot shells are loaded with either #2 (about .27") or #3 buckshot (about .25").
What I find odd is that you can't find them in 20 ga. but you can find 000 buckshot .410 loads 3" with 5 pellets.
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Birdshot is for the birds.
Yep. Last time I saw birdshot used for self defense in real life, it was about #6. The 2 guys who were shot only agreed to go to the hospital to avoid being arrested to being drunk. Mostly, the pellets just fell out of their skin. If #6 was seriously dangerous, we'd have a lot more dead rabbit and bird hunters, because getting shot isn't uncommon at all for them.

Birdshot only works at distances so close that anything you put in the gun, including the plastic wad/cup, will penetrate.
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Birdshot only works at distances so close that anything you put in the gun, including the plastic wad/cup, will penetrate.
Thank you
That was my point inside of an average size house. Your average shot is measured in feet not yards.
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Why would you NOT use 00. It has enough pellets and a decent weight. Given a choice that seems logical.
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