[VinnieD]

The tradition of men giving women jewelry as engagement, wedding, and anniversary gifts began around the same time as divorce, so that if the man divorced his wife the woman could sell the jewelry as a means of supporting herself for a while. So the protocol is, she keeps the ring as compensation for the broken promise.

[BUICKSPEC6231]

She keeps the ring. He offered the ring to her as an engagement. Many courts have ruled that the exchange of engagement ring is the same as a written and signed contract. By him breaking the "contract" off, he has violated the agreement and has to suffer the loss.

[GVFlyer]

My response that it was good form to return the ring reflected the laws of etiquette which absolutely require you to return an engagement ring when the engagement is broken.

The laws of most states classify an engagement ring as a conditional gift and also require the return of the ring.

"Conditional gifts are the exception to the rule that gifts cannot be revoked if given properly. Though the receiver may be able to prove that the engagement ring was a gift, the ring could still be returned to the giver if the court considers the engagement ring a conditional gift.

A conditional gift is one where the giver gives the gift to the receiver with the expectation that some future event or action will take place. If the agreed-upon event does not occur or the agreed-upon condition is not met, then the gift-giver has the right to get the gift back. The majority of courts classify engagement rings as a conditional gift, and award the engagement ring to the giver in broken engagement cases."

[Buki192327]

Originally Posted by Bren

The standard protocol is, "if she breaks up she gives back the ring, if he breaks up she keeps it."

Originally Posted by Shinytop

Yup, that's the way I have always understood it. I will concede special circumstances such as bad behavior could change the rules.

[Zonny]

Sticking it up is ass is what comes to mind for me.

[Texas357]

This is why family heirloons shouldn't be used as engagement rings. He gave it to her, HE broke it off, SHE gets to pawn it or drop it off a bridge, as she sees fit.

[Wyoming]

Originally Posted by Bren

The standard protocol is, "if she breaks up she gives back the ring, if he breaks up she keeps it."

Okie this has always been the correct protocol.

Maybe in today's world anything goes but to ask for the ring back is very low class.

[Bruce H]

Oh she should give it back allright. Place it over his manhood, lay manhood on an anvil and hit it three times with a four pound hammer so it won't fall off.

[railfancwb]

In fairness to the guy, if his wife recently died, the whole series of events may be part of his grieving and coming to terms with his loss. Same thing ma happen to GF two. But that I think he should expect the ring(s) back...


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[Wyoming]

Originally Posted by railfancwb

In fairness to the guy, if his wife recently died, the whole series of events may be part of his grieving and coming to terms with his loss. Same thing ma happen to GF two. But that I think he should expect the ring(s) back...


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I lost my first wife at the age of 37. it hurt a lot but it is no excuse for treating some one else poorly.

What he did is break his word. He asked her to marry him and gave her a engagement ring. He later broke off the engagement which in it self is OK but to ask for or expect the engagement ring back is wrong.

[Never Nervous]

Tell him to pound sand. Don't know if that's protocol.

NN

[okie]

Originally Posted by Never Nervous

Tell him to pound sand. Don't know if that's protocol.

NN

May as well be, huh

[Haldor]

Originally Posted by okie

This man I grew up around, his wife died, and he started dating another woman. After a short time he asked her for her hand in marriage and give her a ring and they set the date for like 6 months down the road. A few months later he meets a lady that was prettier than his girlfriend and she also had money. He dumps the lady and marries the new lady, he also went to old GF and asked for ring back. Is this lady obligated to give him the ring back or does she kick him in the nuts and say "Get thee away from me Satan"

The woman did nothing wrong. He broke the engagement. She keeps the ring.

That is why Moissanite was invented. You would have to be an idiot to spend serious money on a rock.

www.moissanite.com

[Dennis in MA]

Originally Posted by HKLovingIT

I believe since he broke off the engagement, barring misconduct on her part, she should keep the ring.

If a woman breaks off an engagement, again barring misconduct, she should give the ring back.

Misconduct or good cause to break it off, to me defined as cheating or lying about something very material to marriage like already being married, lying about a prior engagement or marriage, a huge mountain of hidden debt, lying about being able to have kids if that was a consideration, etc.

If you just get cold feet or change your mind, that's fine. No one should get married if they don't want to, but the decent thing to do is give up or give back the ring as the case may be.

This.

She needs to do a Number 6 on his sorry behind. Then find a large man to rape him at the Number 6 Dance later that night.

[okie]

Originally Posted by Dennis in MA

This.

She needs to do a Number 6 on his sorry behind. Then find a large man to rape him at the Number 6 Dance later that night.

Do I dare ask what a Number 6 is

[Mayhem like Me]

As Yoda would say..


The story....only one side we have........

[Atlas]

Originally Posted by okie

Do I dare ask what a Number 6 is

Ask this guy...

[sappy13]

I think she keeps the ring since he broke it off and she didnt do anything wrong. If she had broken it off and he hadnt done anything wrong, then he deserves the ring back. If she just breaks it off for the hell of it, im really not sure. Seems like she should give it back though since it was her call to end it in that last scenario

Okie, so does this mean you got a hot new babe and tons of money for more guns?

[xArcher]

what does Dear Abbey say?

[Doc McGlock]

"My precious!"

Why does this thread remind me of a movie?

Doc

[jpa]

According to Judge Judy, the ring is given in contemplation of marriage. If that contemplation is no longer in the cards, the ring belongs to the one who proposed and needs to be returned.

Just like putting a deposit on a special order item at a store. If you cancel the order, you get your deposit back.

[Dennis in MA]

Originally Posted by jpa

According to Judge Judy, the ring is given in contemplation of marriage. If that contemplation is no longer in the cards, the ring belongs to the one who proposed and needs to be returned.

Just like putting a deposit on a special order item at a store. If you cancel the order, you get your deposit back.

Only if the contemplee is the one that backs out.

I put a deposit on a house. I decide a month later, through no problems with inspection or my financing, that I'm backing out, I lose my deposit. Same here. What sort of items are you buying that you get your deposit back on???? If you came into my store, I'd tell you to pound sand. You don't get your deposit back - that's what it's for - in case you back out.

[JMS]

Originally Posted by xArcher

what does Dear Abbey say?

Not much.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1241988

[JMS]

Originally Posted by Wyoming

to ask for the ring back is very low class.

As opposed to the rest of his behavior?

[GVFlyer]

Originally Posted by xArcher

what does Dear Abbey say?

Abby's not available, but in her “Complete Book of Etiquette”, Amy Vanderbilt states:

If either party breaks a marriage engagement, the engagement ring and all gifts are to be returned in as quiet and dignified a manner as possible.