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Old 02-03-2013, 15:49   #61
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I would guess nearly everyone ordering in bulk made some sacrifices to get there. After a year of loading your in the saving mode as far as shooting and the hobby. You just send the money you would have spent buying factory to the bank so you can afford bulk orders. Go to a match and start splitting up the orders so they don't have to be all your money. Its just something you do.
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Old 02-03-2013, 17:05   #62
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Just stay vigilant during this shortage, when you come across what you need you don't have to buy the store out of stock, but buy what will get you buy.

I went into a gun store and to my suprise I found 1k of Federal SPP left on the shelf... so now they are on my shelf.
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Just had a friend call wanting to know if I had some .45 I could sell him. He knows I reload (and probably knows I have it) and hasn't been able to find any for weeks. I tried to tell him a while ago to start reloading, and he said no, wasn't worth the hassle. He knows I won't sell my ammo, so not sure why he even called... maybe he thought I'd have some sympathy on him..lol.

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I have had a couple of people ask if I'll reload for them. They are more than willing to provide the brass.

Well, sure, but they want me to provide the expendable bits like primers, powder and bullets.

I think I'll pass. Besides the FFL thing, why would I want to use up my supplies?

I admit to buying in anticipation of the election but nobody could have predicted this 'perfect storm'.

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Old 02-03-2013, 19:44   #64
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Guess you missed the part where he said he couldn't afford bulk buying. Furthermore, you can't be so ridiculous to blame it all on lack of discipline and planning on the part of the buyer. Some people on budgets have things called "lives", in which there are other things to budget for, like family, time with friends, other hobbies, and vacations. Guess they should have taken the $80 they spent taking the wife and kids to Olive Garden after a long week and selfishly spent it on primers. Of course, this stuff doesn't apply to single, middle-aged men who only have rent, guns, and their porn subscriptions to worry about.

Personally, I'm doing well on ammo and supplies. I even built an AR during this panic at normal cost, not a penny more. I have plenty of budget for my guns. I am not speaking because my feelings are hurt by my own personal situation, as it doesn't apply. I know folks who do live paycheck-to-paycheck, and can buy maybe a box of 1000 primers this week, a box of bullets the next, etc. it's not because they suck at budgeting.
Sorry, all excuse IMO. Most people jsut prioritize diff. DOn't have the Starbux every day, go to a 7-11 instead, $4/day, $100 a month, 2 months, buy 5K primers. Do that all year & you'll always have primers. The other thing is to pool resources & buy in bulk that way. I have a couple reloading buddies & we always ask each other before ordering, nice to pad the order to reduce the HM & shipping.
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Old 02-03-2013, 19:45   #65
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I have had a couple of people ask if I'll reload for them. They are more than willing to provide the brass.

Well, sure, but they want me to provide the expendable bits like primers, powder and bullets.

I think I'll pass. Besides the FFL thing, why would I want to use up my supplies?

I admit to buying in anticipation of the election but nobody could have predicted this 'perfect storm'.

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FWIW, I think this would have happened w/o the SH shooting. It has always been Obama's agenda. Many of us did see the election as the turning point & started buying when it was cheap. Everything was available & affordable thru Nov & into Dec. Sadly, too many people don't pay attention. Kinda how we ended up w/ Obama again.
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Guess you missed the part where he said he couldn't afford bulk buying. Furthermore, you can't be so ridiculous to blame it all on lack of discipline and planning on the part of the buyer. Some people on budgets have things called "lives", in which there are other things to budget for, like family, time with friends, other hobbies, and vacations. Guess they should have taken the $80 they spent taking the wife and kids to Olive Garden after a long week and selfishly spent it on primers. Of course, this stuff doesn't apply to single, middle-aged men who only have rent, guns, and their porn subscriptions to worry about.

Personally, I'm doing well on ammo and supplies. I even built an AR during this panic at normal cost, not a penny more. I have plenty of budget for my guns. I am not speaking because my feelings are hurt by my own personal situation, as it doesn't apply. I know folks who do live paycheck-to-paycheck, and can buy maybe a box of 1000 primers this week, a box of bullets the next, etc. it's not because they suck at budgeting.
You gotta prioritize man. Cut the toes out of the kids outgrown shoes so you don't have to spend money on new ones and have them hold signs on the corner begging for food. Kids don't need eyeglass just buy bike helmets at the local salvation army to prevent head injuries from running into stuff. Have the wife turn tricks on the side. Then you can have plenty of primers and powder. Its all about priorities.

I'm like you and have a stash to get me by. I am just not too ignorant to comprehend that some people just cannot afford to do that.

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I have had a couple of people ask if I'll reload for them. They are more than willing to provide the brass.

Well, sure, but they want me to provide the expendable bits like primers, powder and bullets?
Other than the better half, my brother is the only one who shoots my reloads. I enjoy shooting with him, and reloading allows us to shoot more at a significant cost savings. I've also let him know if I'm unavailable, and he's going shooting, he's more than welcome to drop by and grab a few boxes.. just bring the brass back. He has more than one time offered up some coin to cover the cost, and I tell him not to worry about it.

He only shoots 9mm, and I'd shown him a bit about reloading. Last June, he just out of nowhere bought me 5k primers, 5k 124gr bullets, and 1lb of 231 at a local place. I felt bad because he overpaid for the stuff. He said he wouldn't have if I'd just let him share the cost of loading them. So when I made a big order just before the election, he chipped in $150 bucks.
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Other than the better half, my brother is the only one who shoots my reloads. I enjoy shooting with him, and reloading allows us to shoot more at a significant cost savings. I've also let him know if I'm unavailable, and he's going shooting, he's more than welcome to drop by and grab a few boxes.. just bring the brass back. He has more than one time offered up some coin to cover the cost, and I tell him not to worry about it.

He only shoots 9mm, and I'd shown him a bit about reloading. Last June, he just out of nowhere bought me 5k primers, 5k 124gr bullets, and 1lb of 231 at a local place. I felt bad because he overpaid for the stuff. He said he wouldn't have if I'd just let him share the cost of loading them. So when I made a big order just before the election, he chipped in $150 bucks.
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Sounds like a great relationship. Family is always family...

I reload for my family, of course.

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I'm like you and have a stash to get me by. I am just not too ignorant to comprehend that some people just cannot afford to do that.
Again, excuses for lack of planning. No need to get all nasty & name calling. I am pretty sure we all understand costs & priority. Sure, reloading cost money, so does shooting or any hobby. There are ways to buy in some bulk, even if you are cash strapped. It makes even LESS sense to buy small if you CAN'T afford it. To save money you are going to pay more per unit, makes no economical sense. Go in with some guys ordering 20-30K, even if you only get 2K, you are pay way less than most will locally, well at least you used to. Today, all norms are off.
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Who is rich? I normally keep my shooting budget under #100 a month. All it takes is planning. Every time I use 1K primers I put 2K $ worth of primers in an envelope. Pretty soon I had enough to buy my first 5K order. Now I order 10 to 20 K at a time. If you have a little discipline soon you can make larger orders and save even more money.
Being a huge fan of Dave Ramsey, I'm a huge fan of envelopes ... This is actually a pretty good idea. Put back a little bit, and as stated, with a little discipline you'll have no problem reaping the savings w/ a nice online order.
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Again, excuses for lack of planning. No need to get all nasty & name calling.
Fred, I think you are missing something in this thread. The posts (like mine) are in response to the few comments such as this: "For anybody who has been reloading for the last few years and didn't stock up.... shame on you and you have no room to complain or whine." It's a bit much, don't you think? It is inflammatory, and completely ridiculous, considering the author has no idea what the OP's financial situation is like. Graciously, the OP responded by saying he is just unable to afford it, not that it was any of our business. For some, it's not about scrounging every last penny to buy primers once every two months, but it's more about priorities. True, you can eat PB&J sandwiches everyday, three times a day for a month to buy primers, but it's asking a bit much.
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Yes & no. I understand the insensitivity of the comment but I also understand the lack of planning. Everyone had to see something like this coming. As noted, there are lots of ways to take advantage of bulk pricing w/o coming up with all the money. One could even buy them on credit, say 30K worth, then sell them @ a slight profit to like minded small buyers. Really though, it's mostly priority. If you shoot a lot, it becomes a priority. I don't ski, drink or smoke. With cigs @ what $5 a pack in some places, quit smoking! That saves you $150 a month & your health. Lots of ways to afford things you want. I went w/o a new truck for 3 yrs so I could go to Africa & hunt that buffalo in my avatar. So it's always about priority.
I think what starts grating on people is the whining about a shortage EVERY shooter should have seen coming & at least done some advanced planning. At this point, wouldn't it have even been a wise move to slap 20K primers on the old plastic & pay it off in 3-4 months? Yes it would have cost a bit in interest, but still cheaper than todays prices & you would have primers.
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...Really though, it's mostly priority...
Harsh, but wise. Have to agree with Fred.

Good advice. If it hurts to get it, maybe you should listen to it.
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Old 02-04-2013, 14:04   #75
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Shooting costs money and is completely deferrable. Things get tight, shoot less. Things brighten up, shoot more. That's just the way of it. Shooting is nature's way of telling you that you make too much money.

Long before the election, there were several threads poo-pooing the idea of stocking up. Long before the election.

These threads were countered by the reloaders who got caught up short after the last election (and some who didn't). And the thing is, presidents can only go truly insane on their second tour. So, if 2008-9 was a rough patch, 2012-13 couldn't possibly be expected to be better. After all, Romney didn't do Massachusetts any favors with gun control. Either way, things wouldn't look good with Romney only slightly better. And he couldn't have won the election after the "47%" speech!

So, anyway, the long time reloaders stocked up back in July-August and the Sandy Hook incident caused even the casual reloaders to buy everything in sight.

It's not like the shortages weren't predicted. To some extent, it could be a self-fullfilling prophecy that got carried away with itself. Supplies were actually available the week after the election. They were gone by the week after Sandy Hook.

I remember the great "Toilet Paper Shortage" of 1973. It pales in comparison to the primer shortage of 2013. There are a lot of alternatives to toilet paper but primers are kind of unique.

http://www.thedailylegend.com/did-jo...aper-shortage/

Of course we also had gasoline rationing in 1973 and that started just two months before the toilet paper debacle. Nobody was in the mood for calm reflection.

http://www.baristanet.com/2012/11/ga...linger-or-not/

There was also a beef boycott in 1973 because of price increases (and price gouging). As a result, the taxpayers had to dump even more money into the cattle industry to help them stay in business. Taxpayers didn't want to buy beef but ultimately had to pay for the beef they couldn't afford.

1973 was a really bad year...

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Well, if you read the comments above, then shame on you. Shame on you for not being rich, and shame on you for not spending your entire disposable budget on primers and powder. Nothing else matters.

Sounds pretty effing stupid, doesn't it? I thought the same when I read the comments above.
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Guess you missed the part where he said he couldn't afford bulk buying. Furthermore, you can't be so ridiculous to blame it all on lack of discipline and planning on the part of the buyer. Some people on budgets have things called "lives", in which there are other things to budget for, like family, time with friends, other hobbies, and vacations. Guess they should have taken the $80 they spent taking the wife and kids to Olive Garden after a long week and selfishly spent it on primers. Of course, this stuff doesn't apply to single, middle-aged men who only have rent, guns, and their porn subscriptions to worry about.

I know folks who do live paycheck-to-paycheck, and can buy maybe a box of 1000 primers this week, a box of bullets the next, etc. it's not because they suck at budgeting.
Yes it is because they suck at budgeting. Something that is a lot more important than shooting.

Just so as you know I was committing to you not him. Your the one snapping at people. I am going to give you the best advice your going to get on a reloading forum...
If you can't afford more than one box of primers quit shooting for now and get into a Dave Ramsey class. You will live the rest of your life better if you figure out how to handle your money and learn to live in a budget. If you cant afford it look at some local churches. Mine waves the class fee if you can't afford it.
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If you don't make much then you can't afford to NOT buy in bulk.


That is the correct statement.
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That is the correct statement.
ThAt is exactly the point I made earlier Steve. Does anyone go to the store & buy toilet paper by the roll or do they go to COstco & buy 6m worth? Buy one beer or the 12 pack, it's no diff than reloading supplies, just budget better, buy big once or twice a year & move on.
Most of us have some money left over at the end of paying the bills, then we decide how to spend it. Dinner out, movies, what ever. I stopped going to the movies a few years ago, saves me $50 a pop & it comes out on DVD in 3m anyway. Carpool, gas is expensive. Again, stop smoking & drinking booze, lots of money to save there. The single biggest problem IMO, is people just don't pay attention. You would haev to be an idiolistic child to not have figured PBO was going to raise hell in his 2nd term. Whether he get's anything done or not, it still has an affect on all gun owners or would be gun owners. My only short coming was not buying another AR lower. Then again, I had to priooritize & buy ammo, primers & powder. See, it does work.
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ThAt is exactly the point I made earlier Steve. Does anyone go to the store & buy toilet paper by the roll or do they go to COstco & buy 6m worth? Buy one beer or the 12 pack, it's no diff than reloading supplies, just budget better, buy big once or twice a year & move on.
Most of us have some money left over at the end of paying the bills, then we decide how to spend it. Dinner out, movies, what ever. I stopped going to the movies a few years ago, saves me $50 a pop & it comes out on DVD in 3m anyway. Carpool, gas is expensive. Again, stop smoking & drinking booze, lots of money to save there. The single biggest problem IMO, is people just don't pay attention. You would haev to be an idiolistic child to not have figured PBO was going to raise hell in his 2nd term. Whether he get's anything done or not, it still has an affect on all gun owners or would be gun owners. My only short coming was not buying another AR lower. Then again, I had to priooritize & buy ammo, primers & powder. See, it does work.
I pick up 3 80% lowers on Monday. That's what you need to get Fred, that way uncle sam doesn't know.
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