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Old 02-03-2013, 09:32   #41
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No we did that to ourselves. Plus you have to realize that there are reloaders and non reloaders that keep a few extra on hand. I know a lot of people who could go a year or more and never need to buy any ammo.

But there is a lesson in this. If you are not prepared now once things get back to normal it would be wise to add some extra in every order and put it on the back shelf.
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Old 02-03-2013, 10:40   #42
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so it turns out the government can control guns pretty quickly. Inside of one month the entire nation can be shut down on ammo. No ammo and your guns are boat anchors. Reloading matters not as they shut that down 2.
Government didn't remove the ammo. We bought so much we can't keep up with demand. More ammo and guns on the street now then a year ago. It's just being saved on a shelf.
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:11   #43
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You guys are inspiring me to go out to the bench today and load up more ammo. I've not been to the range in a while, so I've got quite a bit of finished product stored away.

At the office last week, some of my good shooting buddies (non-reloaders) were asking me where they can find some ammo, because they've shot all of their stash, and are on the hunt now just to find some .22LR.

I'm a bit hesitant to go burn through some .357SIG and 10mm right now, in fear that I'll just be attracting attention to myself, while most others are running .22LR. On the other hand, most folks at the range won't be shooting that caliber.

Perhaps I should go do some .45GAP today? I've got some brass already prepped and ready to go!

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Thank you guys again for the excellent advice I've received on this forum to "always have enough supplies" to load. The bottom shelf of my bench is probably dipping down from the weight of all the projectiles, and my cabinet of powder and primers would make you guys proud.

To those who are still on the hunt, good luck to you all. Be sure that if you use one of something in your component stash to replace it with two.
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:13   #44
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I don't know this dude but I ran across his video just yesterday and He offers what I feel is the real explanation for our current ammo shortage situation.

Now I already know and have talked to MANY people who just feel something more sinister is going on - (and perhaps they just might be right... but I don't think so). Anyway if you haven't listened to this give it a listen.


So what do you think?
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:16   #45
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Government didn't remove the ammo. We bought so much we can't keep up with demand. More ammo and guns on the street now then a year ago. It's just being saved on a shelf.
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:26   #46
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Some folk's get upset when others stock up and call them
paranoid or hoarders, but this last episode has taught me
a lesson.
Once a person sets up a nice little reloading outfit, press,
dies, scales, tools, etc., all he needs then is to keep supplied
with components, brass, bullets, primers, and powder.
I am not wealthy monetarily, but the little lady and I talked
recently and we decided to start a cookie jar fund and budget a little each month just for components.
I don't need a half million primers, or bullets, or hundreds of pounds of powder, but I will be expanding my supply amounts
greater than they are now.
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Old 02-03-2013, 12:22   #47
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so it turns out the government can control guns pretty quickly. Inside of one month the entire nation can be shut down on ammo. No ammo and your guns are boat anchors. Reloading matters not as they shut that down 2.
No, reloading matters a lot IMO. It's pretty easy to find 1K primers here & there, not so with ammo. Brass lastas almost forever. I can scrounge powder from just about any loaded piece of ammo & make it work in just about any caliber. I can make my own lead bullets, even swage jacketed for my 223 from spent 22lr brass, so reloaders will be in business shooting long after the factory ammo guys put their guns away. All we need are primers for sure, lots & lots of primers. A 20K reserve of the ones you shoot most is not too many IMO.
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I don't know this dude but I ran across his video just yesterday and He offers what I feel is the real explanation for our current ammo shortage situation.

Now I already know and have talked to MANY people who just feel something more sinister is going on - (and perhaps they just might be right... but I don't think so). Anyway if you haven't listened to this give it a listen.

Ammo Shortage PT 2 - YouTube

So what do you think?
I think it's purely supply & demand. Look how many new gun owners came on line just in Nove & Dec. All of them need ammo. Then throw in the seasoned shooter, he knows ammo is at the least going up in price as is anything commodity basd. Now toss in the biggest socialist since FDR & his lame duck, all in last term, smart people are stocking up. If just every gun owner went out last month & bought 1000rds of ammo, say 50M shooters, that would be what, 50B rounds of ammo. Check my math, but I think that is well beyond the current capacity of our plants. I am betting 100rds of 223 ammo we are still in shortage as we get closer to 2014, maybe thru 2014.
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fred..."I am betting 100rds of 223 ammo we are still in shortage as we get closer to 2014, maybe thru 2014."

I'm getting the same feeling. It is starting to make me re-think the amount of shooting that I usually do. I certainly have enough to keep me going for some time, but If supplies are going to be out or in very short supply...
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fred..."I am betting 100rds of 223 ammo we are still in shortage as we get closer to 2014, maybe thru 2014."

I'm getting the same feeling. It is starting to make me re-think the amount of shooting that I usually do. I certainly have enough to keep me going for some time, but If supplies are going to be out or in very short supply...
I was thinking that our IDPA turn out was going to start shrinking, but we had almost 80 guys for our biweekly match. Fully half shoot factory ammo. If it continues into 14, I think it's going to slow quite a bit as people run out or have to pay higher prices. I am seeing primers go for as high as $80/K now. In another 3-4m it will be $100/K if you need them now. If things get back to some kind of normal, any reloader that isn't buying at least a years supply just for reserve, isn't paying attention.
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Just had a friend call wanting to know if I had some .45 I could sell him. He knows I reload (and probably knows I have it) and hasn't been able to find any for weeks. I tried to tell him a while ago to start reloading, and he said no, wasn't worth the hassle. He knows I won't sell my ammo, so not sure why he even called... maybe he thought I'd have some sympathy on him..lol.

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Not rich either but I was able to do some overtime and buy up some supplies. I like reloading as a hobby in and of itself.
I do have quite a bit of reloaded ammo stashed away.
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Just had a friend call wanting to know if I had some .45 I could sell him. He knows I reload (and probably knows I have it) and hasn't been able to find any for weeks. I tried to tell him a while ago to start reloading, and he said no, wasn't worth the hassle. He knows I won't sell my ammo, so not sure why he even called... maybe he thought I'd have some sympathy on him..lol.

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I NEED PRIMERS!! I can guarantee you this, after this panic I will never again get under 20K. I have found powder, bullets and even brass. Primers not so much.
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I NEED PRIMERS!! I can guarantee you this, after this panic I will never again get under 20K. I have found powder, bullets and even brass. Primers not so much.
Well, you are a little slow, but you are learning Justin.
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That is the type of guy you HAVE to say no too. Too lazy to do it but wants you to? Nope, come on over use my gear. I'll teach you more than you want to know, but no, they want easy. So let them buy factory, if they can find it.
Yeah.. I still felt kinda bad.

Maybe after the craze calms down he'll finally do something about it.
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I NEED PRIMERS!! I can guarantee you this, after this panic I will never again get under 20K. I have found powder, bullets and even brass. Primers not so much.
You're getting a 1050...lol, better make it 30k.
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Well, you are a little slow, but you are learning Justin.
No I listened and had a good stock, but not enough for me and my two ugly brothers. Well I guess that's not a good stock then But trust me Fred, I am taking a page from your book of reloading 101, fool me once shame on you fool me twice, shame on me. My LGS has CCI BR SR for $89 WTF!

And your right about the 1050 Indy, Make it 50k.
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Who is rich? I normally keep my shooting budget under #100 a month. All it takes is planning. Every time I use 1K primers I put 2K $ worth of primers in an envelope. Pretty soon I had enough to buy my first 5K order. Now I order 10 to 20 K at a time. If you have a little discipline soon you can make larger orders and save even more money.

Get a CCR they cost $30. It will save you more than that on your first order with Grafs of PV.

Talk to guys at you range or IDPA meet. You may find someone willing to let you tag onto their order. After the last election I sold 1K of primers to about 10 guys in my IDPA group so that they could keep shooting. Now if those same guys come back to me this time I will tell them NO! But someone new I would throw a K their way.

So instead of blaming us for your own short sightedness fix your own sh&%.
Guess you missed the part where he said he couldn't afford bulk buying. Furthermore, you can't be so ridiculous to blame it all on lack of discipline and planning on the part of the buyer. Some people on budgets have things called "lives", in which there are other things to budget for, like family, time with friends, other hobbies, and vacations. Guess they should have taken the $80 they spent taking the wife and kids to Olive Garden after a long week and selfishly spent it on primers. Of course, this stuff doesn't apply to single, middle-aged men who only have rent, guns, and their porn subscriptions to worry about.

Personally, I'm doing well on ammo and supplies. I even built an AR during this panic at normal cost, not a penny more. I have plenty of budget for my guns. I am not speaking because my feelings are hurt by my own personal situation, as it doesn't apply. I know folks who do live paycheck-to-paycheck, and can buy maybe a box of 1000 primers this week, a box of bullets the next, etc. it's not because they suck at budgeting.
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