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Old 02-02-2013, 16:31   #26
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Well, if you read the comments above, then shame on you. Shame on you for not being rich, and shame on you for not spending your entire disposable budget on primers and powder. Nothing else matters.

Sounds pretty effing stupid, doesn't it? I thought the same when I read the comments above.
Pretty much buddy just texted me i picked up 2000 wolf srp

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Old 02-02-2013, 16:58   #27
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Im the kinda guy that doesnt have money to drop on 8lbs of powder at a time. Or 5 and 10000 primers. I have to buy small. I load because i cant afford to buy ammo lol

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Do you have any friends that reload? Maybe you can split up an order of 5k or even 10 K if there's enough of you?

We do group orders 3-6 guys when we order most of the time. Split up what you order and the shipping costs, it helps.
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Old 02-02-2013, 17:55   #28
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Well, if you read the comments above, then shame on you. Shame on you for not being rich, and shame on you for not spending your entire disposable budget on primers and powder. Nothing else matters.

Sounds pretty effing stupid, doesn't it? I thought the same when I read the comments above.
Who is rich? I normally keep my shooting budget under #100 a month. All it takes is planning. Every time I use 1K primers I put 2K $ worth of primers in an envelope. Pretty soon I had enough to buy my first 5K order. Now I order 10 to 20 K at a time. If you have a little discipline soon you can make larger orders and save even more money.

Get a CCR they cost $30. It will save you more than that on your first order with Grafs of PV.

Talk to guys at you range or IDPA meet. You may find someone willing to let you tag onto their order. After the last election I sold 1K of primers to about 10 guys in my IDPA group so that they could keep shooting. Now if those same guys come back to me this time I will tell them NO! But someone new I would throw a K their way.

So instead of blaming us for your own short sightedness fix your own sh&%.
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Old 02-02-2013, 19:48   #29
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Im the kinda guy that doesnt have money to drop on 8lbs of powder at a time. Or 5 and 10000 primers. I have to buy small. I load because i cant afford to buy ammo lol

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Then you are going to have to learn to budget & buy in some bulk, at least primers. As you can see, w/o them, you do not reload. My reserve is 1 yr supply for every siaze I shoot. When I break into that, I order another 5K min. So I am fine on all primer sizes. I have a buddy that I could buy form if I get short when this extend into 2014, & ir will IMO, he is sitting on about 140K in various sizes, mostly SP & LP, but enough SR to keep me in AR ammo for the next 5yrs.
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Old 02-02-2013, 19:49   #30
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Im the kinda guy that doesnt have money to drop on 8lbs of powder at a time. Or 5 and 10000 primers. I have to buy small. I load because i cant afford to buy ammo lol

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Then you are going to have to learn to budget & buy in some bulk, at least primers. As you can see, w/o them, you do not reload. My reserve is 1 yr supply for every size I shoot. When I break into that, I order another 5K min. So I am fine on all primer sizes. I have a buddy that I could buy from if I get short when this extends into 2014, & it will IMO, he is sitting on about 140K in various sizes, mostly SP & LP, but enough SR to keep me in AR ammo for the next 5yrs.
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Old 02-02-2013, 21:21   #31
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it took over a year to have normal supply when he was elected the first time. I see us getting to 2014 with still sporadic supply. Its the .22's that took me by surprise. They were the first thing gone. They were gone so fast i couldn't get them in time and im down to less than 2k. That wont last 2 months and im conserving.
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Old 02-02-2013, 21:28   #32
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some of this is bulls--t

MY brother lives in NC,HE has 3 friends that work at the wal-mart distribution center in thier town and I have personally talked to one of them!

Wal-Mart is sitting on a stockpile of ammo,He says that they have enough ammo in the warehouse to fill 3 tractor trailers.So the ammo is there,Its just being held back,I would suspect the same goes for primers and other components.

The sports academy store here has shelves full of rifle ammo, except 223,but no pistol.they now have a sign up limit of one box of each caliber,up to 3 boxes! To Little to late I say,the hording has already been done.

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Old 02-02-2013, 21:33   #33
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Yeah smells like, taste like, looks like 2008-2009 all over again.

Powder valley seems to get shipments from time to time, but you can't be too picky on what you buy. If you insist on Remington then you may have a longer wait. But if your opens to Remington CCI federal then you odds go up.

Had good luck with Graffs as well.

IMHO, worse.... in 2008-2009 the US was using tons of ammo every day....the war is not in full swing,
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IMHO, worse.... in 2008-2009 the US was using tons of ammo every day....the war is not in full swing,
Also the stuff you could find last panic,22,40S&W,380 and others are gone this time

I'm super lucky this time,bought a LARGE amount of .22 early 2011 and started reloading a bit before the rush and work is steady this winter so I was able to stock up
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Old 02-02-2013, 23:03   #35
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MY brother lives in NC,HE has 3 friends that work at the wal-mart distribution center in thier town and I have personally talked to one of them!

Wal-Mart is sitting on a stockpile of ammo,He says that they have enough ammo in the warehouse to fill 3 tractor trailers.So the ammo is there,Its just being held back,I would suspect the same goes for primers and other components.
So a distribution center that serves hundreds of Walmarts has a paltry 3 trailer fulls of ammo. I would not say that is sitting on a stockpile.
Do you have any idea how much ammo Walmart usually has in the distribution system?
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Old 02-02-2013, 23:25   #36
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Then you are going to have to learn to budget & buy in some bulk, at least primers. As you can see, w/o them, you do not reload. My reserve is 1 yr supply for every size I shoot. When I break into that, I order another 5K min. So I am fine on all primer sizes. I have a buddy that I could buy from if I get short when this extends into 2014, & it will IMO, he is sitting on about 140K in various sizes, mostly SP & LP, but enough SR to keep me in AR ammo for the next 5yrs.

I agree Fred, that's why I said what I did. 10,000 primers is $270, plus hazmat and shipping. For most that's a years worth of shooting. Credit card or something and take a few months to pay it off?

If you're not buying in bulk, you're not really saving as much money as you can.
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Also the stuff you could find last panic,22,40S&W,380 and others are gone this time

I'm super lucky this time,bought a LARGE amount of .22 early 2011 and started reloading a bit before the rush and work is steady this winter so I was able to stock up
I agree, I think this time is definitely worse.
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While we are definitely in the midst of a shortage, there is one factor in our favor that may help to resolve this a bit quicker than we might at first imagine.

The war is winding down. Consider that the factories were capable of producing enough ammo to keep our military machine operating as well as keeping the general public fairly well stocked. Corporations are in business to make money, and if production capacity is available (which it should be now), it shouldn't take long for them to fulfill / catch-up on long term contracts. As long as they can operate at max capacity without wearing out the machinery used to make the product (and there continues to be a demand in the public arena), they'll keep the factories running at full capacity to meet the demand and make every cent they can. At least that's one viewpoint that may work in our favor.

On the other hand, once supplies begin showing up on the store shelves, the hoarders will probably hold off buying as they're already stocked up. Those who didn't plan ahead will be ones making the first runs on the available supplies. Once supply/demand starts to balance out, prices will return to a reasonable normal and the hoarders will again step into the picture. Factories will then begin to cut back on their production schedules as the sales return to some state of normalcy.

I won't be participating in the picture on factory ammo. I'm reloading Hornady 55gr .223 for .15/round and lead 9mm for .08/round (I don't cast). They'll never get the factory ammo down to those levels again.
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so it turns out the government can control guns pretty quickly. Inside of one month the entire nation can be shut down on ammo. No ammo and your guns are boat anchors. Reloading matters not as they shut that down 2.
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No we did that to ourselves. Plus you have to realize that there are reloaders and non reloaders that keep a few extra on hand. I know a lot of people who could go a year or more and never need to buy any ammo.

But there is a lesson in this. If you are not prepared now once things get back to normal it would be wise to add some extra in every order and put it on the back shelf.
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so it turns out the government can control guns pretty quickly. Inside of one month the entire nation can be shut down on ammo. No ammo and your guns are boat anchors. Reloading matters not as they shut that down 2.
Government didn't remove the ammo. We bought so much we can't keep up with demand. More ammo and guns on the street now then a year ago. It's just being saved on a shelf.
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You guys are inspiring me to go out to the bench today and load up more ammo. I've not been to the range in a while, so I've got quite a bit of finished product stored away.

At the office last week, some of my good shooting buddies (non-reloaders) were asking me where they can find some ammo, because they've shot all of their stash, and are on the hunt now just to find some .22LR.

I'm a bit hesitant to go burn through some .357SIG and 10mm right now, in fear that I'll just be attracting attention to myself, while most others are running .22LR. On the other hand, most folks at the range won't be shooting that caliber.

Perhaps I should go do some .45GAP today? I've got some brass already prepped and ready to go!

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Thank you guys again for the excellent advice I've received on this forum to "always have enough supplies" to load. The bottom shelf of my bench is probably dipping down from the weight of all the projectiles, and my cabinet of powder and primers would make you guys proud.

To those who are still on the hunt, good luck to you all. Be sure that if you use one of something in your component stash to replace it with two.
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I don't know this dude but I ran across his video just yesterday and He offers what I feel is the real explanation for our current ammo shortage situation.

Now I already know and have talked to MANY people who just feel something more sinister is going on - (and perhaps they just might be right... but I don't think so). Anyway if you haven't listened to this give it a listen.


So what do you think?
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Government didn't remove the ammo. We bought so much we can't keep up with demand. More ammo and guns on the street now then a year ago. It's just being saved on a shelf.
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Some folk's get upset when others stock up and call them
paranoid or hoarders, but this last episode has taught me
a lesson.
Once a person sets up a nice little reloading outfit, press,
dies, scales, tools, etc., all he needs then is to keep supplied
with components, brass, bullets, primers, and powder.
I am not wealthy monetarily, but the little lady and I talked
recently and we decided to start a cookie jar fund and budget a little each month just for components.
I don't need a half million primers, or bullets, or hundreds of pounds of powder, but I will be expanding my supply amounts
greater than they are now.
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so it turns out the government can control guns pretty quickly. Inside of one month the entire nation can be shut down on ammo. No ammo and your guns are boat anchors. Reloading matters not as they shut that down 2.
No, reloading matters a lot IMO. It's pretty easy to find 1K primers here & there, not so with ammo. Brass lastas almost forever. I can scrounge powder from just about any loaded piece of ammo & make it work in just about any caliber. I can make my own lead bullets, even swage jacketed for my 223 from spent 22lr brass, so reloaders will be in business shooting long after the factory ammo guys put their guns away. All we need are primers for sure, lots & lots of primers. A 20K reserve of the ones you shoot most is not too many IMO.
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I don't know this dude but I ran across his video just yesterday and He offers what I feel is the real explanation for our current ammo shortage situation.

Now I already know and have talked to MANY people who just feel something more sinister is going on - (and perhaps they just might be right... but I don't think so). Anyway if you haven't listened to this give it a listen.

Ammo Shortage PT 2 - YouTube

So what do you think?
I think it's purely supply & demand. Look how many new gun owners came on line just in Nove & Dec. All of them need ammo. Then throw in the seasoned shooter, he knows ammo is at the least going up in price as is anything commodity basd. Now toss in the biggest socialist since FDR & his lame duck, all in last term, smart people are stocking up. If just every gun owner went out last month & bought 1000rds of ammo, say 50M shooters, that would be what, 50B rounds of ammo. Check my math, but I think that is well beyond the current capacity of our plants. I am betting 100rds of 223 ammo we are still in shortage as we get closer to 2014, maybe thru 2014.
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fred..."I am betting 100rds of 223 ammo we are still in shortage as we get closer to 2014, maybe thru 2014."

I'm getting the same feeling. It is starting to make me re-think the amount of shooting that I usually do. I certainly have enough to keep me going for some time, but If supplies are going to be out or in very short supply...
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fred..."I am betting 100rds of 223 ammo we are still in shortage as we get closer to 2014, maybe thru 2014."

I'm getting the same feeling. It is starting to make me re-think the amount of shooting that I usually do. I certainly have enough to keep me going for some time, but If supplies are going to be out or in very short supply...
I was thinking that our IDPA turn out was going to start shrinking, but we had almost 80 guys for our biweekly match. Fully half shoot factory ammo. If it continues into 14, I think it's going to slow quite a bit as people run out or have to pay higher prices. I am seeing primers go for as high as $80/K now. In another 3-4m it will be $100/K if you need them now. If things get back to some kind of normal, any reloader that isn't buying at least a years supply just for reserve, isn't paying attention.
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