[Ohio Copper]

Originally Posted by Arc Angel

Despicable!

Doesn't seem like America, anymore, to me. The men who raised me, the men whom I idolized in my youth, suffered terribly through two world wars and Korea. They carried both the physical and emotional scars of their battles with them for the rest of their lives.

I'm really trying to get used to all of this insane gun legislation - Legislation that would have had no place, at all, in the America of my youth. Today the world, in general; and this country, in particular, appear to be going mad.

Just like the Holy Bible, the American Constitution and the Bill Of Rights are becoming obsolete; and everybody's going Socialist and eating Mexican rather than simply being the Republicans and Democrats I remember from my youth.

I grew up eating meals like: Mulligan stew, pot roast, pork and sauerkraut, Virginia ham and scalloped potatoes; and, every once in awhile, Spaghetti dishes. Frankly, I don't want to, 'Live mas!', or eat at Taco Bells. I hate refried beans!

The old, 'insane' is now today's, 'normal'. In a nation that wouldn't long survive without a heavily armed military, everybody is expected to serve, then (If they survive.) come home, and surrender all their guns - The whole thing is crazy and very un:american!

(I guess it really is the devil's world! I can't think of any other rational explanation for all of this insane Socialist crap.)

We can agree that times are just a little bit different these days?


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[The Fed]

I tried to email the columnist for an update. I think we're related. My email did not reveal my position on gun control. I hope he's not an anti.

[Averageman]

And he gets a pass because "they" love him.
Equal protection under the law?

[Front Sight]

It would be a safe bet that in the eyes of all enforcement all high cap. magazines in New York are banned. And you would lose it or them. A lawyer will cost several hundred dollars or more to get them back. There is a way to tell about the Glocks however you would need to keep a picture with you to show them, and then hope they believe you.
The best answer is to move out of New York State.

[moeman]

Originally Posted by clancy

How does one prove an AR mag is pre-ban? A lot of this is up to the discretion, political leanings and knowledge of the individual cops.

I know several guys who have been caught with 30 round AR mags. In one instance the cop took the mags, in the other 2 instances the cops told the guys to be careful where they take them. A few months ago another guy was arrested and is now in prison because he got caught with several AR mags.

Same "crime", 4 different cops, 4 different outcomes.

Many have a date stamp for the year of manufacturing on the mag body.

[iluv2viddyfilms]

Reading through this thread makes me glad as Hell I don't live in the People's Republics of New York or New Jersey

[svtpwnz]

it's quite sad that the 30rd mags, and other items I legally own here in SC are illeagal to my fellow shooters in the commie state of NY. The only solution to this is having enough people stand up and protest in large masses which will probably never happen.

[moeman]

Originally Posted by Arc Angel

Despicable!

Doesn't seem like America, anymore, to me. The men who raised me, the men whom I idolized in my youth, suffered terribly through two world wars and Korea. They carried both the physical and emotional scars of their battles with them for the rest of their lives.

I'm really trying to get used to all of this insane gun legislation - Legislation that would have had no place, at all, in the America of my youth. Today the world, in general; and this country, in particular, appear to be going mad.

Just like the Holy Bible, the American Constitution and the Bill Of Rights are becoming obsolete; and everybody's going Socialist and eating Mexican rather than simply being the Republicans and Democrats I remember from my youth.

I grew up eating meals like: Mulligan stew, pot roast, pork and sauerkraut, Virginia ham and scalloped potatoes; and, every once in awhile, Spaghetti dishes. Frankly, I don't want to, 'Live mas!', or eat at Taco Bells. I hate refried beans!

The old, 'insane' is now today's, 'normal'. In a nation that wouldn't long survive without a heavily armed military, everybody is expected to serve, then (If they survive.) come home, and surrender all their guns - The whole thing is crazy and very un:american!

(I guess it really is the devil's world! I can't think of any other rational explanation for all of this insane Socialist crap.)

A matter of perspective... Virtually all the WW2 and Korean war vets (my dad and his friends) are/were the first to laugh at all the mall ninja equipment and the last to buy rifles with a bunch of stuff stuck on them.

I know a couple w/ M14s/M1A rifles and none of them went for 20+ round anything. In fact most gun writers up to 10 years ago poo-poo'd the black rifle.

Would they stick up for gun rights yes... But many didn't like the really hi-round weapons and wouldn't stick up for them.

In the case of the food... I'm sorry that you were damaged by food you grew up on.

[Zombie Surgeon]

Originally Posted by BlisteringSilence

Cops don't get to pick and choose which laws they enforce. If you allow that, you get anarchy.

Gee...I am so relieved. If a couple of years from now a new law is passed banning the blacks, or the Jews, or the whites, or Muslims or Mormons or women to own any type of firearms I should be thankful that cops "don't get to pick and choose which laws they enforce".

[TBO]

Originally Posted by Zombie Surgeon

Gee...I am so relieved. If a couple of years from now a new law is passed banning the blacks, or the Jews, or the whites, or Muslims or Mormons or women to own any type of firearms I should be thankful that cops "don't get to pick and choose which laws they enforce".

Leave the strawman out.

[Huaco Kid]

Originally Posted by BlisteringSilence

Cops don't get to pick and choose which laws they enforce. If you allow that, you get anarchy.

But, Obama's Feds do?

Strange.

[Zombie Surgeon]

Originally Posted by TBO

Leave the strawman out.

There is no strawman here. "Obeying orders" and "there is nothing I could do, it was the law" are the most common excuses used by the enforcers and jack booted murderers employed by totalitarian regimes.

[PaLEOjd]

NY is out of control.......Only going to get worse throughout the entire country and we are all along for the ride.

[jdeere_man]

I'm still trying to figure out on what grounds the traffic stop was made or on what grounds the search occurred.

Regardless it's freakin' stupid.

[TBO]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Nathan+Haddad

[BlisteringSilence]

Originally Posted by Zombie Surgeon

There is no strawman here. "Obeying orders" and "there is nothing I could do, it was the law" are the most common excuses used by the enforcers and jack booted murderers employed by totalitarian regimes.

It's also what I say when I take the 105 pound wife to jail after she hits her 250 pound husband with a chair.

Civil disobedience is a tough pill to swallow. It works, but you have to be willing to go to jail for the righteousness of your cause.

Sent from my Nokia 5120. And you thought all it could do was play snake.

[misunderestimated]

Originally Posted by TBO

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Nathan+Haddad

That link you posted was very cool,



I just read one of the articles it brought me to and it seems he was in a closed business parking lot and was approached by a LE and he explained he was going to sell some ar mags that were marked military use only.

[ray9898]

Originally Posted by Zombie Surgeon

There is no strawman here. "Obeying orders" and "there is nothing I could do, it was the law" are the most common excuses used by the enforcers and jack booted murderers employed by totalitarian regimes.

On the other hand it's true because that is exactly what society expects of LE. They personally elect legislators to enact laws along with judges and district attorneys to apply them. In our scheme of governement the LEO is not placed in a position other to enforce what is there as long as the courts have not declared it un-Constitutional.

[BlisteringSilence]

Originally Posted by ray9898

On the other hand it's true because that is exactly what society expects of LE. They personally elect legislators to enact laws along with judges and district attorneys to apply them. In our scheme scheme of governement the LEO is not placed in a position other to enforce what is there as long as the courts have not declared it un-Constitutional.

QFT.

Sent from my Nokia 5120. And you thought all it could do was play snake.

[Fox]

I hope he fights the law in court. There are many attorneys that will take his case pro bono because they want to defend the 2nd Amendment.

He could put up a legal defense fund and he would soon be able to afford a team of high powered attorneys.

[misunderestimated]

Originally Posted by Fox

I hope he fights the law in court. There are many attorneys that will take his case pro bono because they want to defend the 2nd Amendment.

He could put up a legal defense fund and he would soon be able to afford a team of high powered attorneys.

according to the available information. He was selling 30 round magazines marked military use only,What is there to defend?

[ray9898]

Originally Posted by misunderestimated

according to the available information. He was selling 30 round magazines marked military use only,What is there to defend?

.....and the law has been on the book for like 20 years now.

[n2extrm]

I think a number of people treat the magazine laws and some of the other laws like they are no big deal. You see guys with collapseable stocks on ARs and maybe Pmags, but you can tell the guns brand new and IIRC Pmags were not around in 1994 when the ban was enacted. People feel its no big deal, how am I going to caugh, what are they going to do arrest me. The reality is it is a big deal. I don't think the law is right, I don't think it will stop a mass shooting, but it can put a regular guy in jail. Yes you are a criminal if you break these laws, so it's hard to call him a honest guy or to imply he is not a criminal.

It sucks, it's not right, but if you break the law, no matter how unjust the law is, you get arrested. Why I won't take the chance with the new law or the old.

[misunderestimated]

Originally Posted by ray9898

.....and the law has been on the book for like 20 years now.

make no mistake, I am not defending this guy

[frank4570]

The ban on 30 round mags is a violation of the constitution. I'll throw in a few bucks for a lawyer if somebody will fight this.