GlockTalk.com
Home Forums Classifieds Blogs Today's Posts Search Social Groups



  
SIGN-UP
Notices

Glock Talk
Welcome To The Glock Talk Forums.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-29-2013, 06:55   #1
BSA70
Senior Member
 
BSA70's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: NC
Posts: 1,369
Obamacare question....

I find the current state of affairs very depressing and have basically cut the news off. Over the past 4 years, I have not followed anything concerning obama, especially obama care, I figured it will never go thru.

Well, here it is a reality. I know nothing about it.

What is suppose to be the end result once this is established? Free insurance, cheaper services, What does he want?
BSA70 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 07:23   #2
RimfireMan
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Central Texas
Posts: 755
Oh boy, here comes the stampede of the "Obama is evil" crowd.
RimfireMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 07:41   #3
arclight610
Senior Member
 
arclight610's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,016
You must get insurance, or you pay a penalty to the government. In addition, there is a 1% tax increase on companies that make medical equipment. Obama is evil.

Last edited by arclight610; 01-29-2013 at 07:42..
arclight610 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 07:42   #4
GAFinch
Senior Member
 
GAFinch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Georgia
Posts: 5,782
It's designed to break the current system by raising premiums, cutting payments to doctors/hospitals for Medicare patients, and putting religious hospitals/clinics out of business by imposing abortion mandates on them. Once the current system is broken, our country will have no choice but to move to a fully government-run, single payer universal health care system.
__________________
Fear the government that fears your guns.
GAFinch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 07:45   #5
JimP
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 208
Quote:
Originally Posted by GAFinch View Post
It's designed to break the current system by raising premiums, cutting payments to doctors/hospitals for Medicare patients, and putting religious hospitals/clinics out of business by imposing abortion mandates on them. Once the current system is broken, our country will have no choice but to move to a fully government-run, single payer universal health care system.
This is the single best succint description of Obama Care I have ever heard!! Well played!!
JimP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 07:46   #6
JimP
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 208
Quote:
Originally Posted by GAFinch View Post
It's designed to break the current system by raising premiums, cutting payments to doctors/hospitals for Medicare patients, and putting religious hospitals/clinics out of business by imposing abortion mandates on them. Once the current system is broken, our country will have no choice but to move to a fully government-run, single payer universal health care system.
Best danged answer I've ever heard!! Well played.
JimP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 07:49   #7
JAS104
NRA Life Member
 
JAS104's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: USA
Posts: 2,612
We pay for it, but we dont benefit.
__________________
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. Ronald Reagan
JAS104 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 08:04   #8
Flying-Dutchman
Senior Member
 
Flying-Dutchman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,075
In 11 months you will be forced to buy health insurance if you do not have it now.

If you have good company provided insurance better than what is deemed fair, the overage will be taxed at 40% (out of fairness and to discourage people from having more than others). This will start in 2018 but time flies.

The Obama Care law will be reworked at some point otherwise it will collapse the healthcare system leading to national socialized single payer healthcare.

End of life medical care is where the big expense is so if you live long enough you will be euthanized like a family pet.

They will give euthanizing a pleasant name. Google “Pathways” and the UK healthcare system to see how it is done.
Flying-Dutchman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 08:47   #9
Flying-Dutchman
Senior Member
 
Flying-Dutchman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,075
Obama Care is Socialism’s last gasp like a bulb that burns brightest right before burns out.

With U6 unemployment at 15% who is going to pay for this central planner’s dream?

Reading the IRS rules enforced by an army of new IRS agents; now you must do this and pay that and…and…and I quit. I am not working anymore. It’s not worth it. Now what?

It is a shame for Obama. Had he gained control of this Country in 1970, he would have had a lot of money to play with.

But we sent manufacturing overseas without cutting our consumption and now the credit card bill is due.
Flying-Dutchman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 09:09   #10
WarCry
Senior Member
 
WarCry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: IL, on the banks of the Muddy River
Posts: 7,216
Quote:
Originally Posted by RimfireMan View Post
Oh boy, here comes the stampede of the "completely erroneous because the truth doesn't fit the rant" crowd.
Fixed that for ya....
__________________
"If you have something to say, now would be a perfect time to keep it to yourself." --Col. Chester Phillips
"If you believe everything you read, better not read." --Japanese proverb
WarCry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 09:49   #11
orgnova
Senior Member
 
orgnova's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: SW Ohio
Posts: 188
Have you read any of it? The ways they are going to pay for it? Like they want 4% if you sell your house! My 2¢.

Last edited by orgnova; 01-29-2013 at 09:49..
orgnova is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 09:51   #12
Dennis in MA
Get off my lawn
 
Dennis in MA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Taunton, MA
Posts: 52,503
Check out health care costs in Mass - then you'll see how bad it gets. DeVille is looking to raise all sorts of taxes to pay for the tame-by-comparison Romney-Care.
__________________
The truth is you're the weak. And I'm the tyranny of evil men. But I'm tryin', Ringo. I'm tryin' real hard to be the shepherd.
Dennis in MA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 15:17   #13
BSA70
Senior Member
 
BSA70's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: NC
Posts: 1,369
ok, He is going to make you pay for insurance, how? If someone is unemployed or don't make much, you can't get blood out of a turnip.

Of course the deadbeats beating the system will not miss a benefit
BSA70 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 15:31   #14
schild
Senior Member
 
schild's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Socialist Republic of Illinois
Posts: 3,827
Quote:
Originally Posted by BSA70 View Post
I find the current state of affairs very depressing and have basically cut the news off. Over the past 4 years, I have not followed anything concerning obama, especially obama care, I figured it will never go thru.

Well, here it is a reality. I know nothing about it.

What is suppose to be the end result once this is established? Free insurance, cheaper services, What does he want?
If you have not followed anything about Obama how could you make an informed decision to vote against Obama, if indeed you did vote against Obama and/or just didn't bother to vote?
__________________
Schild

"You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality." Ayn Rand

We are all outlaws in the eyes of America.
schild is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 15:49   #15
GAFinch
Senior Member
 
GAFinch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Georgia
Posts: 5,782
Quote:
Originally Posted by BSA70 View Post
ok, He is going to make you pay for insurance, how? If someone is unemployed or don't make much, you can't get blood out of a turnip.

Of course the deadbeats beating the system will not miss a benefit
The insurance is prorated based on your income. Guess who will be paying for all this subsidized and "free" coverage? (hint: the "wealthy" can only be taxed so much extra - the President was lying about not raising taxes on the middle class)
__________________
Fear the government that fears your guns.
GAFinch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 16:31   #16
larry_minn
Silver Membership
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 17,805
Quote:
Originally Posted by GAFinch View Post
It's designed to break the current system by raising premiums, cutting payments to doctors/hospitals for Medicare patients, and putting religious hospitals/clinics out of business by imposing abortion mandates on them. Once the current system is broken, our country will have no choice but to move to a fully government-run, single payer universal health care system.
I can't argue with this. You did forget "Obama is evil"
larry_minn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 17:21   #17
hal8000
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 188
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying-Dutchman View Post
In 11 months you will be forced to buy health insurance if you do not have it now.

If you have good company provided insurance better than what is deemed fair, the overage will be taxed at 40% (out of fairness and to discourage people from having more than others). This will start in 2018 but time flies.

.

The average family health insurance plan offered by a large company was $15,745 in 2012. The excise tax for the high cost employer plan is $27,500. While I don't agree with this part of the plan it probably will not apply to most people.

Last edited by hal8000; 01-29-2013 at 17:45..
hal8000 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 17:26   #18
Ruble Noon
"Cracker"
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 11,018
Quote:
Originally Posted by RimfireMan View Post
Oh boy, here comes the stampede of the "Obama is evil" crowd.
Are you some kind of Texas transplant or what?
Ruble Noon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 17:36   #19
GAFinch
Senior Member
 
GAFinch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Georgia
Posts: 5,782
Quote:
Originally Posted by larry_minn View Post
I can't argue with this. You did forget "Obama is evil"
Pelosi and Sebelius are responsible for this mess, Obama was just the pretty face who sold it to the public. He should still be impeached, of course.
__________________
Fear the government that fears your guns.
GAFinch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 17:45   #20
GLWyandotte
Carbon User
 
GLWyandotte's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Somewhere Between Heaven and Hell
Posts: 3,855
Quote:
Originally Posted by GAFinch View Post
The insurance is prorated based on your income. Guess who will be paying for all this subsidized and "free" coverage? (hint: the "wealthy" can only be taxed so much extra - the President was lying about not raising taxes on the middle class)
Naturally.
If this plan was proposed by the GOP without the sliding scale, it would be racist by intolerant haters.
__________________
Dayenu!

Formerly Glockerel, 2003
GLWyandotte is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2013, 22:00   #21
skeeter1959
Senior Member
 
skeeter1959's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Houston Texas
Posts: 2,947
Quote:
Originally Posted by RimfireMan View Post
Oh boy, here comes the stampede of the "Obama is evil" crowd.
He's worse than evil.

As of right now, your Texas Citizenship is revoked.......

Last edited by skeeter1959; 01-29-2013 at 22:01..
skeeter1959 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2013, 09:42   #22
Paul53
Geezer Boomer
 
Paul53's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Rosa's Cantina
Posts: 3,823
Obamacare encourages individual responsibility for getting health insurance. It encourages employers to provide insurance. It provides assistance for low income or large family groups.

Traditionally, the healthiest among us could get by without health insurance. That makes those who do have insurance pay higher rates because they tend to be the less healthy. By dividing the insurance among all, healthy and non healthy groups, the cost per person comes down.

We currently have a for profit system, and without insurance, you'll get inferior care. The almighty dollar is so powerful that I've personally seen people crippled or die for lack of insurance.

People are afraid of change, but trust a career nurse, our healthcare system is too expensive and provides inferior care.

Now I'll get flamed a bunch. Honestly? I'm just here for the abuse!
__________________
Just had lunch at The Rod and Gun Club. Finally realized that the in "philly cheese steak," philly isn't referring to Philadelphia.


Last edited by Paul53; 01-30-2013 at 09:45..
Paul53 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2013, 10:00   #23
LAWDOGKMS
Senior Member
 
LAWDOGKMS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: TX
Posts: 2,227
Tagged..
LAWDOGKMS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2013, 10:06   #24
arclight610
Senior Member
 
arclight610's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,016
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul53 View Post
Obamacare encourages individual responsibility for getting health insurance. It encourages employers to provide insurance. It provides assistance for low income or large family groups.

Traditionally, the healthiest among us could get by without health insurance. That makes those who do have insurance pay higher rates because they tend to be the less healthy. By dividing the insurance among all, healthy and non healthy groups, the cost per person comes down.

We currently have a for profit system, and without insurance, you'll get inferior care. The almighty dollar is so powerful that I've personally seen people crippled or die for lack of insurance.

People are afraid of change, but trust a career nurse, our healthcare system is too expensive and provides inferior care.

Now I'll get flamed a bunch. Honestly? I'm just here for the abuse!
So, because I don't smoke and I'm not obese I should have to pay for someone that does/is?
arclight610 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2013, 10:07   #25
jdeere_man
CLM Number 26
Charter Lifetime Member
 
jdeere_man's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: NW Missouri
Posts: 3,538
Quote:
Originally Posted by RimfireMan View Post
Oh boy, here comes the stampede of the "Obama is evil" crowd.
You only say that because you are forced again and again to justify to yourself why you voted for him.
__________________
Be weary of a summit that begins with sharing bread; for the sated man is at his weakest.
jdeere_man is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 21:11.



Homepage
FAQ
Forums
Calendar
Advertise
Gallery
GT Wiki
GT Blogs
Social Groups
Classifieds


Users Currently Online: 1,387
415 Members
972 Guests

Most users ever online: 2,244
Nov 11, 2013 at 11:42