British Army goes Glock

nuclear g17 · 01-13-2013, 16:05

British Army buys 25,000 Gen4 G17 Pistols. Glock is 500,000 guns behind and has 875,000 mags on back order. Many new contracts overseas.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ock-17-1528571

tonyparson · 01-13-2013, 16:19

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Originally Posted by nuclear g17

British Army buys 25,000 Gen4 G17 Pistols. Glock is 500,000 guns behind and has 875,000 mags on back order. Many new contracts overseas.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ock-17-1528571

Where did you get your numbers about Glock being 875,000 mags on back order and 500,000 guns behind??

AustinTx · 01-13-2013, 16:31

I thought this was yesterday?

nuclear g17 · 01-13-2013, 16:33

I just went to the factory. That is how far they are behind.

HGxyz · 01-13-2013, 16:40

Maybe that's why the G32 I ordered in February arrived in December.

UKarmr · 01-13-2013, 16:49

Well I don't know about your side of the pond, but we are expecting delivery of all of them prior to April. The initial 2000 for train the trainer & maintainer courses arrived in Dec

unit1069 · 01-13-2013, 18:19

I stopped reading after the first paragraph.

What exactly is it that makes a Glock G-17 "more deadly" than the Browning Hi Power?

jeremy1 · 01-13-2013, 18:45

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Originally Posted by unit1069

I stopped reading after the first paragraph.

What exactly is it that makes a Glock G-17 "more deadly" than the Browning Hi Power?

So true. I love my Glocks but that is some media hype to say that it is more deadly. A better capacity and lighter weight is about it. On my last tour most of the Brits I met had newer mark III's. still a fine pistol

FLAHOTROD · 01-13-2013, 18:52

That's the same kind of thinking that makes an"assault rifle" more dangerous than any other type of rifle. Just plain and simple ignorance.

unit1069 · 01-13-2013, 18:56

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Originally Posted by jeremy1

So true. I love my Glocks but that is some media hype to say that it is more deadly. A better capacity and lighter weight is about it. On my last tour most of the Brits I met had newer mark III's. still a fine pistol

Yes, a "progressive" media blitz to demonize firearms, especially any high-capacity handgun or rifle. Funny how the Browning escaped the politically-correct "10-round minimum" jihad currently underway, but then editors understand how to manipulate public opinion given that the MI-5 invented the push poll in 1940.

I do think like you the G-17 may be an improvement insofar as capacity and weight but as far as "deadly", well ... , ... that's just nonsense.

im413 · 01-13-2013, 19:05

Maybe this why I can't find a G17 Mag to save my soul.

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M 7 · 01-13-2013, 20:45

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Originally Posted by nuclear g17

Glock is 500,000 guns behind and has 875,000 mags on back order.

Glock personnel told you this? Whoa.

tcallre · 01-13-2013, 20:57

Makes good sense. The GP35 is well beyond it's life, needs expensive maintenance and is due for replacement. The G17 is rugged, light weight, proven design, easy to train on, combat accurate, and even though the Brits may pay a pretty penny for them, economical. This platform should last them a long time. If I were king this is the choice I'd make.

G36_Me · 01-13-2013, 22:24

If this is true, then a good choice.

ChrisJn · 01-13-2013, 23:59

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Originally Posted by nuclear g17

British Army buys 25,000 Gen4 G17 Pistols.........

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ock-17-1528571

For £9,000,000.
At current exchange rates that is $576 per pistol! Poor British tax payer ripped off again.
Just to let my fellow Brits know, LE and Military here in USA can buy them for $399 as an individual

UKarmr · 01-14-2013, 00:00

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Originally Posted by unit1069

I stopped reading after the first paragraph.

What exactly is it that makes a Glock G-17 "more deadly" than the Browning Hi Power?

The paper quoted isn't exactly high brow reading....
There was a trial process that included
Sig P226
Glock gen 3 (possibly why one poster saw them in use)
Glock gen 4
Beretta PX
Brownings current Version
Steyr M9
S&W M&P
HK P30

The Gen 4 won the trial outright.

UKarmr · 01-14-2013, 00:03

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Originally Posted by ChrisJn

For £9,000,000.
At current exchange rates that is $576 per pistol! Poor British tax payer ripped off again.
Just to let my fellow Brits know, LE and Military here in USA can buy them for $399 as an individual

That figure isn't just the purchase price, it includes initial training package, spares package, ancillaries such as spare magazines, cleaning kits, holsters etc

bigred0383 · 01-14-2013, 00:11

There was another article about this that said they made the switch because they felt the Browning's were not as reliable as they used to be.

Riiiiiight.

ChrisJn · 01-14-2013, 00:24

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Originally Posted by bigred0383

There was another article about this that said they made the switch because they felt the Browning's were not as reliable as they used to be.

Riiiiiight.

Hey, nothing wrong with the Browning but have to admit old technology compared to Glock

bigred0383 · 01-14-2013, 00:33

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Originally Posted by ChrisJn

Hey, nothing wrong with the Browning but have to admit old technology compared to Glock

I am sure it's an a great think from an armorer's standpoint. Repairs, inventory, etc.

Great from a training standpoint as well.

But come on, after no major design changes in what...50 years (when they went to an external extractor), all of a sudden BHP's became unreliable?

Just be honest, for ease of use and cost savings its a no brainer, so why oversell it?

Rustin · 01-14-2013, 00:41

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Originally Posted by ChrisJn

Hey, nothing wrong with the Browning but have to admit old technology compared to Glock

The Glock is not exactly advanced technology. It uses the same browning linkless tilting barrel and a similar double stack magazine based on the browning.

It holds 4 more rounds, but also has a bigger grip which many can't get a proper hold on.

The Glock is lighter due to polymer but Glock did not pioneer the use of polymer.Polymer just seems to be the preference today.

Also striker fired pistols go way back to the luger.

Both are great. I prefer the Glock but the BHp is not very far behind.

BicycleDay43 · 01-14-2013, 01:27

It's funny too because the news reports on the story are going on about how, 'the Glock is an advanced handgun with THREE safeties! PERFECT for the British Army!'. I hope they give several safety classes to the troops over there. I can see some AD's in the future...

-BD43

Foxtrotx1 · 01-14-2013, 01:44

That is a lot of brass to the face.

Hopefully they wear safety glasses when training with those pistols.

Lior · 01-14-2013, 02:04

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Originally Posted by unit1069

What exactly is it that makes a Glock G-17 "more deadly" than the Browning Hi Power?

The ability to carry four more cartridges in its magazine.

FNFAN · 01-14-2013, 02:11

Well that's exciting! Since they're "less deadly" maybe we can get our political folk to mass import the kinder, friendlier P35's at a discount price.

Where's that link to the "petition" site?