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Old 02-08-2013, 21:19   #1
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Who likes the Exeter Sig Sauer P226R ?

Doing some Sig shopping and I am really liking the Sig lineup. Not a huge fan of rails but I am an afficiando of Sig products. What say you about the current Sig P226 railed guns ? I used to have a non-railed West German P226 back in the early 90's but like a dummy, sold it. Todays gun a solid buy ?
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Old 02-08-2013, 21:23   #2
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I picked up a Sig P226 Scorpion a couple weeks ago. Love it. The SRT trigger is very nice. I would check summitgunbroker.com as Mark got some more Sigs in and his prices can't be beat.
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Old 02-08-2013, 21:28   #3
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I think that a lot of people will say they prefer the West German model. My German model Sig had an excellent trigger and workmanship. However, I just paid full retail for an MK25, which seems to be getting excellent reviews. I know it's gimmicky and I usually fault Sig for its gimmicks, but I believe people are generally happy with their P226R made in NH.

I voted with my wallet for a UU-serial number Sig P226R.
Some people will claim to only like the German ones.
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Old 02-08-2013, 21:54   #4
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Looks like a lot of online reviews in favor in the newer ones. There are some obvious differences visually from the older West German models. I handled a UU model today and it felt really great.
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Old 02-08-2013, 22:05   #5
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They aren't for me, but are solid guns.
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Old 02-08-2013, 22:10   #6
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They aren't for me, but are solid guns.
Just curious, what do you not like about them ? The rails ? I know you aren't a rail guy.
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Old 02-08-2013, 22:11   #7
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I think that a lot of people will say they prefer the West German model. My German model Sig had an excellent trigger and workmanship. However, I just paid full retail for an MK25, which seems to be getting excellent reviews. I know it's gimmicky and I usually fault Sig for its gimmicks, but I believe people are generally happy with their P226R made in NH.

I voted with my wallet for a UU-serial number Sig P226R.
Some people will claim to only like the German ones.
How you like the MK25?

I'm not a rail guy, so I'll stick with my W. German friends.
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Old 02-08-2013, 22:14   #8
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Most of their new models seem geared toward pimps and mall ninjas, but the classic guns are still pretty decent, if overpriced. SIG seems to be slowly getting the QC bugs worked out from the drastic cost-cutting measures put into place when Cohen took over.
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Old 02-08-2013, 22:40   #9
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I don't have much use for rails and definitely prefer the older Sigs.
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Most of their new models seem geared toward pimps and mall ninjas, but the classic guns are still pretty decent, if overpriced. SIG seems to be slowly getting the QC bugs worked out from the drastic cost-cutting measures put into place when Cohen took over.


They sure do make a right purdy pimp gun these days. Then there are the diamond plate models. That really had me scratching my head.
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Old 02-08-2013, 23:37   #11
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Yeah, the Diamond Plate version is about ridiculous.
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Old 02-09-2013, 00:02   #12
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I bought a P226 navy not the new mk25 model last year and its a nice quality and shoots great. I dont mind the rail on it and I picked it up for $650 or 700 I dont remember brand new with the 3 15 round mags.

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Old 02-09-2013, 07:35   #13
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Doing some Sig shopping and I am really liking the Sig lineup. Not a huge fan of rails but I am an afficiando of Sig products. What say you about the current Sig P226 railed guns ? I used to have a non-railed West German P226 back in the early 90's but like a dummy, sold it. Todays gun a solid buy ?

Is the German stamped/folded internal extractor slide different from the milled American external extractor slide? Yes.
Is the stamped steel slide more prone to rust? Yes
Have there been problems with internal extractor on German slides? Yes
Have there been problems with the early model external extractors? Yes
Have there been reported cracking in P226 1986-7 modified "mud rail" models? Yes
Is the milled stainless steel slide stronger than the stamped slide? Yes.
Do the German have a longer hammer spring and stacking DA trigger pull? Yes.
Do some feel that American quality standards are lacking? Yes

My point: there are no perfect machines or manufacturers and design/production/QA faults will be identified. However, in my experience with my Sigs-- their performance has been flawless and I have been able to achieve better accuracy with the P226 and P220.

Do I think the current P226 a solid buy? Yes
Will I change my opinion after 10,000 rounds? Maybe.
Does the company stand behind it product? Yes
Will I buy another Sig? Yes-I'm interested in a P227.

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Old 02-09-2013, 09:08   #14
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My P229R 40 is just about 7.5 years old. Runs great and accurate. My P229 9mm Tutone is 6 months newer without the rail and likewise is accurate and reliable. As willieH pointed out the good old days when all Sigs were perfect is a myth. All of my Sigs, 5 that I still own and 3 that I don't, were 1998 to 2008 manufacture and all have been trouble free.
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:56   #15
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If I wanted another P226 I would seriously consider these http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show....php?t=1470594
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Old 02-09-2013, 12:33   #16
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Most of their new models seem geared toward pimps and mall ninjas, but the classic guns are still pretty decent, if overpriced. SIG seems to be slowly getting the QC bugs worked out from the drastic cost-cutting measures put into place when Cohen took over.
I assume that you disapprove of a company identifying a market niche and gearing their products to fulfill that need. I've seen lots of smaller guns & pink grips that various makers are offering to appeal to a growing group of women seeking firearms.

When you say "overpriced" are you speaking of production cost vs sticker or in comparison to other pistols? The most overpriced popular guns are Glocks- actual manufacturing costs to sales price.

When Ron Cohen joined Sigarms Inc. in 2004, the company was in poor financial shape and close to bankruptcy. The "drastic cost-cutting measures" and mass firings of upper management was essential to revitalizing a failing company. Under Cohen's leadership along with the new team he encouraged innovation and flexibility to quickly bring new products to the market. These "Rainbow" and "Diamond Plate" pistols may appeal to a different market segment than traditional gun people, but efforts to capture new groups of firearm enthusiast is part of Sig's customer driven vision. A look at Sig's discontinued products page tells you that not all of their ideas were successful.

Since Cohen, Sig Sauer Inc., has grown over four times and consolidated the (previously outsourced) engineering and manufacturing functions in Exeter, New Hampshire. When one in three LE professionals in the USA uses a Sig, then the reputation for reliability must be valid.
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Old 02-09-2013, 12:52   #17
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Very well written. I need to dip my foot in the Sig pool one day. Never owned one but have been close many times.


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Old 02-09-2013, 14:01   #18
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im a long-time sig fan...but one thing i DON'T like are the new "skinny" triggers they put on all of them now.....
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Old 02-09-2013, 15:42   #19
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While the management and CS of "SIG what ever US" does not deserve any respect, the P226 in any form is a good gun.
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Old 02-09-2013, 17:38   #20
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I would still buy a new production Sig. My 2010 model P220R has proven itself to be a real trooper. Extremely reliable and accurate.
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