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Old 02-04-2013, 16:06   #151
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"And, actually, Portland is the furthest large city. Eugene, Salem, and especially Medford are all closer. They are the second, third, and fourth largest cities in the state, respectively. True, they aren't nearly as big as Portland, but they're not exactly villages. But you're correct that you probably wouldn't get much traffic from any of those cities, except maybe Medford, because there are other national forests closer to all three of the other cities"

I have to add a lot of details that you didn't find in your research. From Salem to Eugene is the "Breadbasket" of Western Oregon. It is large tracts of agricultural land with forests on the fringes. Eugene's population is bolstered by the fact that it is a, liberal, college town. If SHTF moving down here would be a sharp step down from conditions there. If you go southwest from Eugene things get snotty real fast. The southern Willamette Valley is going to be far better off than anywhere else. Oh, and Medford/ Grants Pass? not only do they have better hunting and easier than we do but to get here from there you either have to go 100 miles around to the south or the north. There is a "road" across the divide, Here, read about what happens when people get their info from the internet and try that route

http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/onl...-snowy-oregon/

Yup, the internet is definitely the place to go for all your SHTF planning
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Old 02-04-2013, 16:38   #152
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You are the one squirming quite frankly.

You had to ride on someone else's intellectual coat tails to figure out where I am. You aren't very impressive.

Your whole scenario is based upon a fantasy model of thousands of people streaming out of the cities to play "Batman of the Boondocks" That scenario dates back to the days of Mel Tappan in the late 70's. Coincidentally, Mr. Tappan located himself, guess where? On the eastern edge of the Siskiyou National Forest in "Rogue River, Oregon".
And BTW if you have ever heard of "Backwoods Home" magazine (Mas Ayoob writes for them) You might wonder why Dave Duffy moved the entire operation to the nearby town and took up residence here

Even Tappan missed the point of the historical lesson, but his predictions became a "taken for fact" projection in the minds of "survivalists" then and "preppers" now. Look at the years following 1929. People did not flock to the country in droves. quite actually the opposite occurred, those from rural areas move TO the cities seeking employment and to stand in soup lines. To think that the cities will empty is the height of over-aggrandizement of your own plans. Do you really think human nature has changed so much in 85 years (perhaps because of your divine birth) that the natural polls have reversed and people are suddenly going to do the opposite of what they have done in the past?

Do you really think that all those masses in the big cities who voted for Obama are going to suddenly give up the idea that Government can save them? They are going to chuck their beliefs and move to "Green Acres"? Every one of your ideas is a projection of that fantasy.

It must be tempting to think that you are part of a group of hundreds of thousands of people who will flee, there is comfort in numbers, and that is exactly why people will stay right where they are. I hate to break it to you, but they made the entertainment series "Doomsday Preppers" because such folks (maybe like all of us in this thread) are a curious, small, anomalous group in society. People are entertained by it, like they find the Amish based shows amusing, doesn't mean that everybody that watches is going to become Amish.

There wasn't a rush to the country in the thirties, there wasn't a rush to country in the eighteen nineties during that depression either.

There is actually no basis for your fantasy of a flood to the country. the reality of the nature of the masses and history does not support it, no matter how much you dream it. To project that all of California is going to head to the woods s some of you clowns have, is just another little-boy in the schoolyard "But what if ..." hypothetical to keep you fantasy fueled.
You can't hunt.

You can't fish.

You can't read a map.

You don't know how many deer there are in the area you are talking about.

You don't know that it isn't the total area that is important but the area of the deer food source. Only a city fool would go off into the woods hoping to bump into a deer. Hunters know to look for what the deer eats and when they eat it. Like if I were hunting for you during the SHTF, I would look for you outside the mall waiting for the food court to open.

But, I don't want to give you the idea that you don't have no value during a SHTF. Everyone needs a little entertainment during the down times. I'm guessing you can tell some good stories and jokes.
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Old 02-04-2013, 17:15   #153
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You can't hunt.

You can't fish.

You can't read a map.

You don't know how many deer there are in the area you are talking about.

You don't know that it isn't the total area that is important but the area of the deer food source. Only a city fool would go off into the woods hoping to bump into a deer. Hunters know to look for what the deer eats and when they eat it. Like if I were hunting for you during the SHTF, I would look for you outside the mall waiting for the food court to open.

But, I don't want to give you the idea that you don't have no value during a SHTF. Everyone needs a little entertainment during the down times. I'm guessing you can tell some good stories and jokes.

You have contributed nothing of any intellectual content to this thread. All you have done is throw rocks from across the Country. News flash I have actually been to Georgia and the East coast. How much time have you spent in my neck of the woods? I am smart enough to not tell you what conditions will be like where you live because I am aware that my knowledge of your area is limited. So what makes you think you are so special you can tell me about where I live?

You want some pics of the bear roast leftovers from our Super Bowl dinner?

You are a jag in the bag.


Hey why don't you come down here and see for yourself? From Portland you can catch a flight to Medford or Eugene and take this internet approved shortcut

http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/onl...-snowy-oregon/

It's got to be OK because it is just as reliable as everything else you know about the area from the internet.

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Old 02-04-2013, 18:02   #154
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You don't know that it isn't the total area that is important but the area of the deer food source. Only a city fool would go off into the woods hoping to bump into a deer. Hunters know to look for what the deer eats and when they eat it. Like if I were hunting for you during the SHTF, I would look for you outside the mall waiting for the food court to open.

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You dumb*** you just made my point. That is why the hunters WON'T damage the deer population. You are truly a boob. You ranted about the damage people would do to the animal population and then you make the case for that not happening

What did I say when I answered your question about "hunting plans" ? Did you read it or are you just as stupid as you appear?

What a mouthful od honey pot filler.
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Old 02-04-2013, 18:11   #155
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You want some pics of the bear roast leftovers from our Super Bowl dinner?
Where did you buy that - Trader Joes or Whole Foods?
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Old 02-04-2013, 18:33   #156
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Not directed at any individual, just an overall observation...

To survive a very-bad shtf situation (which is what this thread is addressing), takes not only the ability, but also the discipline, to control one's mind, body, and to some degree, one's environment.

It seems that for it to be believable that any given man would be capable of controlling his mind, body, and environment in a SHTF situation, said man would at least demonstrate the ability to control his emotions when arguing with strangers on the internet.

But what do I know? I'm just a cranky old fart.
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Old 02-04-2013, 19:51   #157
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The s/p forum really needs a moderator. I rarely come here anymore. We need to focus more on tech/ info, and helping each other out then these pissing sessions. On mortality, when Mitch passed away that was a good lesson that no matter what our time will come. Well time to go back to working on my tactical wheel barrel.
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Old 02-05-2013, 06:59   #158
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Not directed at any individual, just an overall observation...

To survive a very-bad shtf situation (which is what this thread is addressing), takes not only the ability, but also the discipline, to control one's mind, body, and to some degree, one's environment.

It seems that for it to be believable that any given man would be capable of controlling his mind, body, and environment in a SHTF situation, said man would at least demonstrate the ability to control his emotions when arguing with strangers on the internet.

But what do I know? I'm just a cranky old fart.
The Cranky Old Fart makes an EXTREMELY VALID point!!
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I think it is now safe and to come out to resume talking about the subject of this thread.

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Old 02-07-2013, 11:53   #160
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Bingo!

My County is larger than Rhode Island and has a population of almost exactly 22,000 Or largest city is 48 miles away and has a pop of 6,000 that is three times the pop of the next largest city and 6 times that of the only other "city".

A good portion of out inhabitants are retirees and folks in nursing home and care facilities, our biggest industry since they shut down logging. Those folks don't hunt much.

The other counties around us are almost exactly the same.
Sounds like you are just a hair north of me...or maybe to my east.
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eh...should have read the whole train wreck first...see you are on the west coast.

Looks and sounds very similar to my state.

Beauty of my state is almost everyone I talk to south of here have never even heard of it! I was in the south a few weeks back on business and everyone's asking me "you're from where?" Maine? Where is that?"
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eh...should have read the whole train wreck first...see you are on the west coast.

Looks and sounds very similar to my state.

Beauty of my state is almost everyone I talk to south of here have never even heard of it! I was in the south a few weeks back on business and everyone's asking me "you're from where?" Maine? Where is that?"
Amazing how many folks don't know where "Orey-gone"* is either. Friends have told me that the South Coast has a lot in common with Maine, but the accents are different.

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Try living in AK. People either think your not attached to NA and live somewhere west of California by Mexico, or have seen deadliest catch and IRT and think you live in the 1800s.
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Try living in AK. People either think your not attached to NA and live somewhere west of California by Mexico, or have seen deadliest catch and IRT and think you live in the 1800s.
I've heard about you folks. You sleep with bears and use icicles for TP.
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...and use icicles for TP.
Great - now I'm stuck with that mental image...
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"And, actually, Portland is the furthest large city. Eugene, Salem, and especially Medford are all closer. They are the second, third, and fourth largest cities in the state, respectively. True, they aren't nearly as big as Portland, but they're not exactly villages. But you're correct that you probably wouldn't get much traffic from any of those cities, except maybe Medford, because there are other national forests closer to all three of the other cities"

I have to add a lot of details that you didn't find in your research. From Salem to Eugene is the "Breadbasket" of Western Oregon. It is large tracts of agricultural land with forests on the fringes. Eugene's population is bolstered by the fact that it is a, liberal, college town. If SHTF moving down here would be a sharp step down from conditions there. If you go southwest from Eugene things get snotty real fast. The southern Willamette Valley is going to be far better off than anywhere else. Oh, and Medford/ Grants Pass? not only do they have better hunting and easier than we do but to get here from there you either have to go 100 miles around to the south or the north. There is a "road" across the divide, Here, read about what happens when people get their info from the internet and try that route

http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/onl...-snowy-oregon/

Yup, the internet is definitely the place to go for all your SHTF planning
I think I pretty much said that I didn't think you'd get a large influx of city dwellers because Oregon has so many National Forests that no one would need to go very far to find one to hunt in.

Bottom line is there are 300,000 deer in Oregon and ten times that many people. Even if only 10% of the population survives and wants to hunt deer, that leaves one deer per person.
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The s/p forum really needs a moderator. I rarely come here anymore. We need to focus more on tech/ info, and helping each other out then these pissing sessions. On mortality, when Mitch passed away that was a good lesson that no matter what our time will come. Well time to go back to working on my tactical wheel barrel.
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I think I pretty much said that I didn't think you'd get a large influx of city dwellers because Oregon has so many National Forests that no one would need to go very far to find one to hunt in.

Bottom line is there are 300,000 deer in Oregon and ten times that many people. Even if only 10% of the population survives and wants to hunt deer, that leaves one deer per person.
Yah, your population studies include 6 year olds, they don't bag many round here. And, yet gain, they can want in one hand and crap in the other, if they aren't where the deer are, I know which hand will get filled first.

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I think I pretty much said that I didn't think you'd get a large influx of city dwellers because Oregon has so many National Forests that no one would need to go very far to find one to hunt in.

Bottom line is there are 300,000 deer in Oregon and ten times that many people. Even if only 10% of the population survives and wants to hunt deer, that leaves one deer per person.
Population of Oregon is 3.9m
Population of N. Ca is 13.2M
total 17.1M
Children under 17 -6.0m
Women -5.0m(for the sexists who think women can't hunt)
Old Men - .5m
Mental/Physical Impaired Men -0.5m
Men that won't go to OR -.5m
Men - other issues -.5m
Men - killed somehow -.5m
Men - I missed something-.5m

Men to hunt deer 1.1M

So, what is that 3.67 men per deer - if that 300,000 deer number is correct.
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Nah, not going to be. Keyboard commandos sitting there trying to tell everyone what it's going to be like, based on numbers they get off the internet, Really aren't worth the time of day. All they have is theories about place they've never set foot in.

If someone wants to take them seriously, fly to it. Me, I've got to do some scouting for spring bear, lay out the larger garden and get our second kitchen (the one we use for canning and such) a bit better set up. I want to add more counterspace.

I've also got a neat new (to me) pack system to mess with for hunting, but it could be very useful in bug-out, but it might not be internet approved so I'll keep it to myself.

Wouldn't want to be accused of sharing too much, We are here to criticize after all.
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Nah, not going to be. Keyboard commandos sitting there trying to tell everyone what it's going to be like, based on numbers they get off the internet, Really aren't worth the time of day. All they have is theories about place they've never set foot in.

If someone wants to take them seriously, fly to it. Me, I've got to do some scouting for spring bear, lay out the larger garden and get our second kitchen (the one we use for canning and such) a bit better set up. I want to add more counterspace.

I've also got a neat new (to me) pack system to mess with for hunting, but it could be very useful in bug-out, but it might not be internet approved so I'll keep it to myself.

Wouldn't want to be accused of sharing too much, We are here to criticize after all.
Well, first I'm glad to hear there will be no round two. The bickering in a non-political or caliber thread is counter productive.



Secondly, we are her to share thoughts, experiences and support. THAT is always welcome. Yes?
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Well, first I'm glad to hear there will be no round two. The bickering in a non-political or caliber thread is counter productive.



Secondly, we are her to share thoughts, experiences and support. THAT is always welcome. Yes?
Agreed! Arguing over trivial matters should be avoided. We can all learn from each other - even those that challenge us to think differently.

A lot of preppers think like defenders - they have all their preps in one place for example. But, if we think like the attacker then we might see the weaknesses in our plan or perspective.

I've said it before. We have had people said that their prep is to take from those who have prepped. They get chased off. But, we should ask them how they will choose their target, so we don't look like their target.

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I'm hardly a prepper. However, I do watch Doomsday Preppers on TV. I've found that the harder I laugh, the closer to a "fantasy prepper" the dude is.
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Well, first I'm glad to hear there will be no round two. The bickering in a non-political or caliber thread is counter productive.



Secondly, we are her to share thoughts, experiences and support. THAT is always welcome. Yes?
Indeed.

I tend to run to the "hands on" side. I get a new knife I've got plenty of places to test it. That sort of thing.

Having weathered some intense storms I have some tips and tricks to share and I want to hear how others have done.

I prefer a "Michigan pattern" axe to most others but learned couple of tricks about the double-bitted that might be useful.

Did anyone ever see the thread I started in the outdoors section some time ago? I have a number of campstoves, but I lean towards "Dual-Fuel" or "White Gas" models for some specific reasons, any one else have a preference?

How about vacuum packing rice? the wife and I tried it but we found you had to handle it carefully because the grains would poke holes in the bags, We ended up packing it in one. wrapping paper towels around it and double packing it.
Anyone else come up with a different way?
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