[d13s3l]

howdy all-

I am submitting my review of the Jager Products Compensator designed
for the Lone Wolf (LWD) threaded barrel. I am by no means a
competition shooter. I'll just say that I have been around guns long
enough to be comfortable and know what I like. This is my first
product review that I have posted. I usually just read all of the
research & information here on GT. Finally figured that I should pay
back some knowledge. I hope you all find this as interesting as I
have.

My gun, additions & the test parts:
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-Glock 17
-I added a captured stainless guide rod with 17lb spring.
-LWD threaded barrel
-LWD comp,(borrowed from a buddy)
-Jager Products Comp


fit & finish:
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I love the way this comp looks on my Glock 17. Jager Products did a
great job of matching the slide contours. The serrations match the
serrations at the rear of the slide. It looks so much better than the
LWD comp. I do not have a scale small enough to weigh the comps.
There is a distinct difference in weight between the two comps. The
Jager comp is lighter. Therefore the nose is not as front heavy with
the Jager comp. It feels very balanced. It also fits nicely into the
Glock carry case installed. The only issue that I have is with fit on
the barrel. It does not mount as close to the barrel as I would have
liked to see. I am unsure if this was by design or not. I suppose LWD
could have changed barrel design at some point. I have already emailed
Jager Products with this thought/suggestion.








range test:
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I took 400 rounds of 9mm winchester white box 124gr FMJ. I decided to
do range test in 4 parts (A, B, C & D). Each part to consist of the following:
-40 of the shots to be taken at 25 feet.
-40 of the shots to be taken at approximately 35-40 feet.
-last 20 to be taken at 50 feet.
I was figuring anything under 20 feet wouldn't really take into account
the full advantage of the compensators. Though I could be wrong.

A. 100 rounds with factory Glock barrel
B. 100 rounds through LDW threaded barrel with no compensators.
C. 100 rounds through LDW threaded barrel with LWD compensator.
D. 100 rounds through LDW threaded barrel with Jager compensator.


results:
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A. reasonable groups (everything on the paper in the target) with
expected amount of recoil.

B. shots were not discernible from factory Glock barrel. reasonable
groups with the same expected amount of recoil.

C. groups were better. recoil was light. muzzle rise was noticeably
reduced.

D. groups were even better. recoil was not as light as LWD, but much
better than no comp at all. muzzle rise was definitely reduced, even
more than the LWD.

Test D - Jager compensator at 50 feet




conclusion:
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I really like how it follows the factory contours of the Glock. It
definitely serves its intended purpose of reducing muzzle rise. The
muzzle rise control was amazing over shooting factory. The amount of
recoil reduction was just right for me. I figured out during this test
that I like some recoil. My Glock now shoots flat & reliably. My only
dislike on the Jager compensator was the mounted location on the
barrel. Though we are talking less than 1/4 of an inch. I would whole-
heartedly recommend the Jager comp to anyone who is thinking about
compensating their Glock.


other thoughts:
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I have been reading about competition shoots for a while now. I need
to look into the rules a little more. I enjoyed shooting with the comp
so much, I think these competitions would be a blast (pardon the pun).
Also, I still find it amazing that we don't see the muzzle blast while
shooting with comps installed. I know its related to our point of focus
& all. I had quite a few comments while at the range regarding how
cool the muzzle blast looked.

http://www.jagerproducts.com/

[ede]

the comp not meeting up to the slide has nothing to do with the comp but the way LW makes the barrel. i think i'll stick with my S&J and NHO comps. i think if it looked like it fit better would go a long way for a selling point. wonder why the barrel is so long and unthreaded, it sure isn't helping anything, unless it works for the LW comps.

[spitrhyma]

Originally Posted by ede

the comp not meeting up to the slide has nothing to do with the comp but the way LW makes the barrel. i think i'll stick with my S&J and NHO comps. i think if it looked like it fit better would go a long way for a selling point. wonder why the barrel is so long and unthreaded, it sure isn't helping anything, unless it works for the LW comps.

The barrel on the glock comes back when you pull the slide back. If the back of the suppressor is big enough to interfere w/ the guide rod it requires a thread adaptor or something to lengthen the barrel. In this case he has an old jager compensator that was designed for a KK whatever barrel or jager barrel. But since the compensators have a relief milled in the underside they don't interfere w/ the guide rod. So now Jager is releasing a new compensator designed to fill the gap w/ lonewolf barrels (says Jager1147 -- the Jager representative on eBay) He's VERY helpful and spent a LOT of time helping me!

If you're interested contact him -- I'm pretty sure he's also registered on this forum as the same thing -- I'm not sure if it's 1147 or not but just search for a user named Jager####

LW+Jager is the shiznat cuz the LW comes in black.

[ede]

i pretty much have to stick with KKM barrels and NHO or S&J comps. KKM, S&J, and NHO comps all fit more or less tight against the slides and don't cause any problems and to me look better. the NHO doesn't use a set screw or need loctite either which i think is a big advantage. i know looks don't go far towards preformance. i tried a LW comp on a KKM barrel and didn't think it did much for recoil reduction. looking at the limited amount of porting on the jager i doubt it does as much as other comps for keeping the muzzle from climbing in recoil. shooting factory ammo isn't the best way to make a comp work for you. HS-6 and Power Pistol are a couple of the more popular comp powders. in 9mm i'm using rex-2, hs-6, and even titegroup with my open/UL guns.

[Jager1147]

Originally Posted by spitrhyma

The barrel on the glock comes back when you pull the slide back. If the back of the suppressor is big enough to interfere w/ the guide rod it requires a thread adaptor or something to lengthen the barrel. In this case he has an old jager compensator that was designed for a KK whatever barrel or jager barrel. But since the compensators have a relief milled in the underside they don't interfere w/ the guide rod. So now Jager is releasing a new compensator designed to fill the gap w/ lonewolf barrels (says Jager1147 -- the Jager representative on eBay) He's VERY helpful and spent a LOT of time helping me!

If you're interested contact him -- I'm pretty sure he's also registered on this forum as the same thing -- I'm not sure if it's 1147 or not but just search for a user named Jager####

LW+Jager is the shiznat cuz the LW comes in black.

Thanks Spitrhyma,

I'm easy to find - I'm a sponsor here on GT. Just click on the JAGER button at the top of the page where the dedicated ads are. As for the effectiveness of my comps, well, here's a link from the Brian Enos forums, a forum for the practical shooting competition crowd. (I'm a sponsor there too). http://www.brianenos.com/forums/inde...howtopic=84936

All the comps out there work pretty well, even the ones ede sells. We designed this comp to have as little muzzle rise as possible, but the price for that is that it hits a little harder back than, say, Brand X. Compensator design can EITHER maximize muzzle lift, OR recoil, (the force back), or settle for a combination of both. You gain one at the price of the other. Lone Wolf compensators are probably the softest shooting comps on the market, if that's your goal. We chose to maximize how flat it shoots, that's why all 4 ports are only venting gasses vertically out the top. You'll see top IPSC competitors all shooting different design conmpensators. Why? because it's personal preference.......

jager

[9mmkungfu]

I've been looking at comps here lately and a few things I've noticed as well: the S&J comps are not offered in 1/2x28 tpi (according to their website) and Novak can be extremely difficult to get ahold of. How long would a wait be to get an NHO comp anyway?

[bentbiker]

D13,
Compliments on the information, thoroughness of reveiw, and analysis. I agree with all the points you made re appearance and muzzle flip being more important than recoil (at least in a 9mm). Very well written. Thanks.

Jager,
Can you comment on two things that Spit said -- that this comp was not made for this barrel, and that you have something new coming for the LW? Classy response after the post before yours. Thanks for confirming suspicions as to why all the ports point north.

Edit: Just caught the fact that this is an old thread. Want to beat Butch to pointing it out . . .

[Novocaine]

I don't get the serrations on the sides of the comp. I understand the idea was to complement the look of Glock slide but what I see is extra machining time and something that drags and catches on things for no practical gain.

[9mmkungfu]

It's a little old, but I'm hoping to get some more info

[d13s3l]

I think LW has differences in their barrel batches... (mine could have been an early version too) as a buddy of mine has a threaded barrel from them & its much closer than mine. prolly 1/2 the distance

as for as understanding the serrations, from what i know its a cosmetic/visual thing. there are no sharp edges to snag on anything. if you can do better, bring it to market

i am still using mine. have used it in a couple of steel shoots. i am much more consistent than w/ the lw comp.

[Novocaine]

Originally Posted by d13s3l

as for as understanding the serrations, from what i know its a cosmetic/visual thing. there are no sharp edges to snag on anything.

Whoever said things need to be sharp to be in the way?

Pretend your hand is a holster. Pinch the sides of this comp, then pull the gun out of your grasp. No pinch the end of the slide, do the same. No difference?

Originally Posted by d13s3l

if you can do better, bring it to market

It's not a big trick to improve the product by removing less-than-useless feature.

Also, I’ve built some pretty darn effective flash suppressors and comps for AR. Pretty sure if I’ll become interested in a low pressure project my design(s) will hang with the best out there just fine. But that’s not how I make my living

[ede]

NHO design was bought by Bobby Carver, you can get the NHO or an improved NHO comp from Bobby at Carver Mounts. I think he has them for both LW and KKM threads. He's a sponsor here so just click the link or look up B&B Enterprises.

[ecmills]

Out of curiosity, are any of you guys reloading your own ammo?

9mm compensators are primarily intended for the Open division of IPSC/USPSA. You have to make what's known as "major" power factor, which is roughly equivalent to some factory .40 caliber loads - some .40 doesn't even make power factor.

(Power factor is simply bullet weight times velocity).

Winchester white box is about 140 PF through a Glock 17. Remington UMC is about 130.

115 White Box runs about 1,150 fps, UMC even less.

To get a 115gr bullet up to speed for this division, you need to hit 1,435 feet per second. A 124gr needs 1,330 fps.

In other words, you're loading well over max loads in any reloading manual. If you don't pay attention, you run the risk of blowing something up. Why does this matter if you don't shoot in competition?

Simple: Gas.

A compensator works by redirecting the gas exiting the barrel upwards, to push the muzzle down. There simply isn't much gas left behind a factory load by the time the bullet reaches the muzzle. Using a powder like HS-6 and loading extremely hot, there is PLENTY of gas left.

In other words, the hotter your load is, and the slower your powder burns, the less muzzle flip you will have with a compensator. The gun will recoil more with super-hot ammo, but it will come straight back, as the compensator now has what it needs to do it's job.

[mboylan]

Agree with the above. You need to reload hot with slow burning powder to really work that comp. Major 9 loads use once fired brass. The case is not reused again.

[ede]

i reloaded once but decided it was too dangerous for me and my guns.

i've used a lot of rex-2 for GSSF and steel loads. tried titegroup for a while for GSSF and steel loads since i have so much of it and it worked OK but didn't really take full advantage of the benefits of running a comp. when i use up all my rex-2 i'll run HS-6 since i use it for my Open 2011.

[Jager1147]

Thanks bentbiker,

We changed the design of the Lone Wolf compensator a while ago, maybe about a year? There's been a few changes, but only cosmetic. The port design remains the same.

1) The rear of the comp now comes up to the face of the slide.
2) The serrations (with no sharp edges) now more closely match the serrations in the slide.
3) The front edges have been more rounded (melted), and the radius on the side are larger.

Please forgive my terrible photography, but I only realized now that this thread does not show the current comp design.

ecmills, thanks for the perfect explanation of compensator function.

Reloading Major 9 is safe when done properly as with reloading any cartridge.

Thanks, jager

[Huntsville3500]

Originally Posted by Jager1147

Thanks bentbiker,

We changed the design of the Lone Wolf compensator a while ago, maybe about a year? There's been a few changes, but only cosmetic. The port design remains the same.

1) The rear of the comp now comes up to the face of the slide.
2) The serrations (with no sharp edges) now more closely match the serrations in the slide.
3) The front edges have been more rounded (melted), and the radius on the side are larger.

Please forgive my terrible photography, but I only realized now that this thread does not show the current comp design.

ecmills, thanks for the perfect explanation of compensator function.

Reloading Major 9 is safe when done properly as with reloading any cartridge.

Thanks, jager

What brand of grip tape is that??

Thanks

[D-Angelo]

I was going to order from Jager Products website. Getting a LW barrel, a Jager compensator, spring/rod. I see they have a spot for a redemption code or discount code. Does anybody know if they have any available? I'll be ordering about $250 worth of stuff so was hoping for a little discount or free shipping or anything like that. Just wondering if anybody has anything that works.

[Jager1147]

Use coupon code "GLOCKTALK".

Would you mind starting a new thread since this one's so old? Let us know how you like it. Several changes to the comp since this thread.
Thanks, jager