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Old 01-21-2013, 17:43   #1
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State of hawaii introduced "assault weapons ban" sb219!!!!!!

Hawaii is trying to pass the assault weapon ban bill 219!
There are also other bills recently introduced including annual renewal of firearms registration including a fee which currently there is no fee and once you register you are set. Also requiring proof of ownership of a certain firearm to buy ammunition for it. PLEASE READ!!! ATTACHED IS THE BILL LINK.

[URL="http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=219"]http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measur...billnumber=219[/URL]

PDF link to bill:

[URL="http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2013/bills/SB219_.pdf"]http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessio...lls/SB219_.pdf[/URL]
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Old 01-22-2013, 02:20   #2
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Welcome, you should join the 2aHawaii forum if you haven't already. There's ongoing discussion about this.
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Old 01-22-2013, 15:20   #3
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States have the rights to impose ridiculous restrictions, just like in california. Your only recourse is to vote with your feet. There is going to be more stupid state laws, just look at New York.
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Wow...not even a grandfather clause in that one...even NY included a grandfather clause. This bill is the worst one I have seen yet.
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:05   #5
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States have the rights to impose ridiculous restrictions, just like in california. Your only recourse is to vote with your feet. There is going to be more stupid state laws, just look at New York.
Not anymore. The Supreme Court incorporated the 2nd into the 14th Amendment so, No, the state cannot infringe on the 2nd Amendment either.
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:08   #6
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Not anymore. The Supreme Court incorporated the 2nd into the 14th Amendment so, No, the state cannot infringe on the 2nd Amendment either.
The SCOTUS affirmed the legal right to own a gun, but the state's are still able to put a ton of restrictions on it.

And, in case you have not noticed, in recent decades some states have been ignoring federal law.

Legal marijuana? Absolutely illegal under federal law.

The good news is they can't ban guns and they can't collect them. The bad news: they can, like Hawaii, put license restrictions on guns, ammo, and require registrations.

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The SCOTUS affirmed the legal right to own a gun, but the state's are still able to put a ton of restrictions on it.

And, in case you have not noticed, in recent decades some states have been ignoring federal law.

Legal marijuana? Absolutely illegal under federal law.

The good news is they can't ban guns and they can't collect them. The bad news: they can, like Hawaii, put license restrictions on guns, ammo, and require registrations.
The Hawaii bill specifically states that you cannot own "assault weapons" anymore and even has a clause stating how you are to turn them in to the police.
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Old 01-23-2013, 18:32   #8
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Forward to SAF and NRA.
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Old 01-23-2013, 18:38   #9
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The SCOTUS affirmed the legal right to own a gun, but the state's are still able to put a ton of restrictions on it.

And, in case you have not noticed, in recent decades some states have been ignoring federal law.

Legal marijuana? Absolutely illegal under federal law.

The good news is they can't ban guns and they can't collect them. The bad news: they can, like Hawaii, put license restrictions on guns, ammo, and require registrations.
I'm not sure about states can put restrictions so I welcome these laws so they can be challenged in Federal Court - specifically, SCOTUS.

If you read Heller then listen to Scalia on Youtube, he states "Bear" means any firearm that one can carry; and he ponders the question if that would include rocket grenade launchers; he shrugs and says they'll (SCOTUS) have to answer that question when a case comes before them. He also states the primary purpose of the 2nd Amendment is for citizens to have firearms to repel a government who attacks the citzenry.

Restrictions means WHERE they can be carried - such as schools, churches, etc.

So it'll be interesting when "assault weapons" go to SCOTUS - I'll bet SCOTUS will rule any carryable firearm (including full autos) will be allowed as they were before elitist FDR was president.

I say: BRING IT!

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The Hawaii bill specifically states that you cannot own "assault weapons" anymore and even has a clause stating how you are to turn them in to the police.
UNCONSTITUTIONAL on every level.

Alan Gura will be more than happy to take this up to the federal courts!
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Old 01-23-2013, 18:41   #11
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"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword because the whole body of the people are armed and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive."

Noah Webster, Founding Father
An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution
, 1787

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