GlockTalk.com
Home Forums Classifieds Blogs Today's Posts Search Social Groups



  
SIGN-UP
Notices

Glock Talk
Welcome To The Glock Talk Forums.
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-20-2013, 09:49   #126
EdTracker
Lifetime Membership
Senior Member
 
EdTracker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 2,013
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gallium View Post
...

that such a report includes slanted language as it applies to gun terminology. I am not a cop, but I am in a field where I may be called upon to testify for my actions, or for those who report to me, and in my learnings to best prepare for this, we are taught to chose conciseness and accuracy in our prose.

Yes, the report is directly from the PD involved. It is a shame to see that no one in the chain of command that read that report chose to correct inaccuracies in the vernacular. ...
This is the reason behind of my first post.

Thank you Gallium
__________________
Friend of Okie.
Honored thru Membership! Be at Peace.

GTDS

"Don't retreat, just reload"
Sarah Palin
EdTracker is offline  
Old 01-20-2013, 10:59   #127
SevenSixtyTwo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Tampa Bay Area Fl
Posts: 2,753
I know a retired cop who still calls magazines clips. My latest issue of Rifleman calls a magazine a clip. We may be in the minority by using the correct vernacule.
SevenSixtyTwo is offline  
Old 01-20-2013, 11:16   #128
Gallium
CLM Number 182
Charter Lifetime Member
 
Gallium's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 47,557


Quote:
Originally Posted by SevenSixtyTwo View Post
I know a retired cop who still calls magazines clips. My latest issue of Rifleman calls a magazine a clip. We may be in the minority by using the correct vernacular.

In the grand scheme of things, he/she did get the message out - dude used an evil black gun with deadly high cap clips to kill 26 too many people, ALL of them innocents, and all of them mostly defenseless.

We are quite capable of being burdened with grief, look for answers, and still demand high standards of people whose jobs utterly rely on standards and protocols.

I tell you, if this were a "jury" trial, and I was on the jury, even this one issue would be enough FOR ME to look at the state's case sideways - as in, to question the precision and accuracy of their work.

Does it lead me to believe in any conspiracy stuff? No, not at all. I've stated before that release of the ME's /coroner's reports will corroborate what the police are saying.

Are we bad, or paranoid, to expect police to communicate with us to a standard to which they are trained and certified? I think not.

- G
Gallium is offline  
Old 01-20-2013, 11:18   #129
skorper
harborrat
 
skorper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Rustbelt
Posts: 1,801
Quote:
Originally Posted by SevenSixtyTwo View Post
I know a retired cop who still calls magazines clips. My latest issue of Rifleman calls a magazine a clip. We may be in the minority by using the correct vernacule.
I do too. A retired cop. He retired while still using a stainless S&W .38 special revolver and was also qualified with a pump action shotgun. I know of no current police officers who are not qualified with an AR type rifle though, or who are not familiar with it. But that's just in our department and neighboring ones. May be different elsewhere.

A plausible explanation for using the term clip may be that the term was seen as more common. I'm far from a conspiracy theorist, and pointing out things of interest to gun people on a gun forum is certainly an acceptable thing to do.

The "high capacity" wording is certainly going to forever be associated with mass killing now, and "high capacity" has a lot of different meanings to a lot of different people. Again, this is all of interest to gun folks and guns rights activists. The anti's are probably happy as hell that the wording made it in there.
__________________

I've seen the quiet dead; and I've heard the living moan. This world's no place to live in, but it's home.
skorper is offline  
Old 01-20-2013, 11:22   #130
Gallium
CLM Number 182
Charter Lifetime Member
 
Gallium's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 47,557


If CT has a magazine limit of say...20 rounds, then by all means "high capacity" is a perfectly valid descriptive term to use. Definitions are not static thru-out the union.

What is the definition for an "arsenal" in Texas or Alabama? Compared to Washington DC or NYC?
Gallium is offline  
Old 01-20-2013, 11:27   #131
skorper
harborrat
 
skorper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Rustbelt
Posts: 1,801
Quote:
Originally Posted by RussP View Post
Since I doubt any of you addressed your issues with CSP...
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that appeasing a bunch of gun people on a gun forum is not high on their list of priorities at the moment.
__________________

I've seen the quiet dead; and I've heard the living moan. This world's no place to live in, but it's home.
skorper is offline  
Old 01-20-2013, 12:04   #132
RussP
Moderator
 
RussP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Central Virginia
Posts: 42,665
Blog Entries: 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by skorper View Post
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that appeasing a bunch of gun people on a gun forum is not high on their list of priorities at the moment.
Many in this thread questioned the facts presented, the language used, and because of the words used, the veracity of the agency.

I passed on those concerns about the words used that some find objectionable.

Just wanted them to know some of your feelings about "the words."

It is their choice whether to reply by word or action.

__________________
Freedom has a taste to those who fight and almost die, that the protected will never know.

"Comment is free, but facts are sacred." C.P. Scott, 1921

Last edited by RussP; 01-20-2013 at 13:01..
RussP is offline  
Old 01-20-2013, 12:10   #133
Gallium
CLM Number 182
Charter Lifetime Member
 
Gallium's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 47,557


Quote:
Originally Posted by RussP View Post
Many in this thread questioned the facts presented, the language used, and because of the words used, the voracity of the agency.

I passed on those concerns about the words used that some find objectionable.

Just wanted them to know some of your feelings about "the words."

It is their choice whether to reply by word or action.


Somotimos all it takos is one lottor to mako a funny.


On a serious note, Dragoon made a bunch of funny statements, as did Patch, and did I...the overall tone of this thread has not been "conspiracy" (not saying you said that!).

Did you send a link to the thread?
Gallium is offline  
Old 01-20-2013, 12:11   #134
Gallium
CLM Number 182
Charter Lifetime Member
 
Gallium's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 47,557


I hope they (that agency) is as hungry for the truth as we are.
Gallium is offline  
Old 01-20-2013, 13:02   #135
RussP
Moderator
 
RussP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Central Virginia
Posts: 42,665
Blog Entries: 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gallium View Post
Somotimos all it takos is one lottor to mako a funny.
Damn...and I typed varacity...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gallium View Post
Did you send a link to the thread?
Did you read the email?
__________________
Freedom has a taste to those who fight and almost die, that the protected will never know.

"Comment is free, but facts are sacred." C.P. Scott, 1921
RussP is offline  
Old 01-20-2013, 13:10   #136
JWG_34
TeamCarverMount
 
JWG_34's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Columbia SC
Posts: 907
Clips

Clips?
A AR-15 does not use clips,it uses Magazines!
A garand rifle uses clips!
Just my 2cents worth!



Quote:
Originally Posted by skorper View Post
"Clips"? Really? Who wrote that?

I am also extremely surprised with the descriptors they used. "High capacity 30 round clips"? Someone is injecting their personal opinion there. NOT a good thing when it will be headed to court. Thirty round magazines are STANDARD for any AR type rifle. MAYBE if there was a 40 rounder the "high capacity" bullcrap might apply, and that's big maybe. It says "clips" in the plural when there is no mention of the number. Not a good idea for a press release.
__________________
ALL X's and NO 3's
Jeff
"A government should be afraid of its people ,Not the people afraid of its government" "V"
JWG_34 is offline  
Old 01-20-2013, 16:03   #137
Gallium
CLM Number 182
Charter Lifetime Member
 
Gallium's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 47,557


Quote:
Originally Posted by RussP View Post
....Did you read the email?

It is odd, when I 1st read it, I thought you only sent the universal URL for GT (www.glocktalk.com). It is right there in the letter, and yes, I read it, and in case I haven't said it today (but surely I have for at least 6 dozen times on GT) I have learning disabilities, no joke.

Gallium is offline  
Old 01-20-2013, 18:02   #138
czsmithGT
Senior Member
 
czsmithGT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 9,392
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gallium View Post

I tell you, if this were a "jury" trial, and I was on the jury, even this one issue would be enough FOR ME to look at the state's case sideways - as in, to question the precision and accuracy of their work.
Step away from the TV next time one of those CSI shows comes on.
czsmithGT is offline  
Old 01-20-2013, 19:04   #139
railfancwb
Senior Member
 
railfancwb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Shelbyville, Tennessee TN
Posts: 3,833
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragoon44 View Post
But what weapons did the shooter on the grassy knoll have?

Don't know. He (or she) didn't commit suicide and leave the weapons.


Posted using Outdoor Hub Campfire
__________________
"Never give to your friend any power that your enemy may some day inherit." -- Paul Weyrich
railfancwb is offline  
Old 01-20-2013, 23:22   #140
IQof1
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 598
Some kinda funny how they just happened to recover the same exact weapons they want to ban now......how convenient.
IQof1 is offline  
Old 01-21-2013, 05:28   #141
JohnBT
NRA Patron
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Richmond, Virginia
Posts: 6,255
What's funny about it?
JohnBT is offline  
Old 01-21-2013, 05:47   #142
Bruce M
Senior Member
 
Bruce M's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: S FL
Posts: 20,080
Maybe they want to ban the AR15 because it was the weapon used.
__________________
Bruce
I never talked to anyone who had to fire their gun who said "I wished I had the smaller gun and fewer rounds with me" Just because you find a hundred people who agree with you on the internet does not mean you're right.
Bruce M is offline  
Old 01-21-2013, 06:22   #143
ray9898
Senior Member
 
ray9898's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Georgia
Posts: 17,172


Quote:
Originally Posted by IQof1 View Post
Some kinda funny how they just happened to recover the same exact weapons they want to ban now......how convenient.


....or maybe they recovered what was used. After all it is a fairly common choice of mass murders which is one of the reasons we have the debate we have today.

Last edited by ray9898; 01-21-2013 at 06:33..
ray9898 is offline  
Old 01-21-2013, 10:16   #144
SevenSixtyTwo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Tampa Bay Area Fl
Posts: 2,753
Sounds like she had good taste in guns and not much liking for gun safes.
SevenSixtyTwo is offline  
Old 01-21-2013, 10:33   #145
fnfalman
Chicks Dig It
 
fnfalman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: California & New Mexico, US
Posts: 54,774


Magazines vs clips...didn't somebody post an ad from Remington back in the days referring to its pistol's detachable magazine as "clip"?
__________________
Can you dig it?
fnfalman is offline  
Old 01-21-2013, 10:37   #146
DanaT
Pharaoh
 
DanaT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: CO & Baden –Württemberg
Posts: 15,832
Blog Entries: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by ray9898 View Post


....or maybe they recovered what was used. After all it is a fairly common choice of mass murders which is one of the reasons we have the debate we have today.
I must agree.

I think the anti-gun politicians are opportunists but I sure dont think they would stage this to further their agenda.

Too many people (LEO are people too) saw what happened and I highly suspect that if they were lying about the weapons used, it would come out. I dont think American politicians have it in them to order the murder of 20 kids to push their agenda. Some might consider doing it, but they know they would likely get caught at some point.

What is the old saying about 3 people keeping a secret?
__________________
Quote:
Twice a week? 14 times a month?
Quote:
2x4=8, not 14.
Many of the truths that we cling to depend on our point of view.
DanaT is offline  
Old 01-21-2013, 10:41   #147
G36's Rule
Senior Member
 
G36's Rule's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Spring, TX.
Posts: 14,880
Quote:
Originally Posted by fnfalman View Post
Magazines vs clips...didn't somebody post an ad from Remington back in the days referring to its pistol's detachable magazine as "clip"?


http://www.remington.com/en/product-...ine-clips.aspx
G36's Rule is offline  
Old 01-21-2013, 10:45   #148
harlenm
Senior Member
 
harlenm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: CT
Posts: 12,900
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gallium View Post
If CT has a magazine limit of say...20 rounds, then by all means "high capacity" is a perfectly valid descriptive term to use. Definitions are not static thru-out the union.

What is the definition for an "arsenal" in Texas or Alabama? Compared to Washington DC or NYC?
We dont have a limit.
harlenm is offline  
Old 01-21-2013, 11:00   #149
ca survivor
Senior Member
 
ca survivor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Florida
Posts: 6,937
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gallium View Post
I have dibs on those Bushmaster clips! - Irresputible proof this was not actually from an actual LE agency.

Nice try Russ!! Did they stage the moon landing in yer back yard??? huh? huh?

Signed,
PW
don't you remember the pic of the FBI agent with the AR mag back wards ? I bet she will call it clip too.
ca survivor is offline  
Old 01-21-2013, 11:22   #150
GeneralSnafu
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 63
Quote:
Originally Posted by Glockdude1 View Post
Why would the Bushmaster be mentioned with the "high capacity 30 round clips" and nothing about the pistols or shotgun magazines????

Something fishy here......
I agree. I smell Bull*****.
GeneralSnafu is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 18:50.



Homepage
FAQ
Forums
Calendar
Advertise
Gallery
GT Wiki
GT Blogs
Social Groups
Classifieds


Users Currently Online: 1,437
477 Members
960 Guests

Most users ever online: 2,244
Nov 11, 2013 at 11:42