State police identify weapons used in sandy hook investigation - Page 6

EdTracker · 01-20-2013, 09:49

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Originally Posted by Gallium

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that such a report includes slanted language as it applies to gun terminology. I am not a cop, but I am in a field where I may be called upon to testify for my actions, or for those who report to me, and in my learnings to best prepare for this, we are taught to chose conciseness and accuracy in our prose.

Yes, the report is directly from the PD involved. It is a shame to see that no one in the chain of command that read that report chose to correct inaccuracies in the vernacular. ...

This is the reason behind of my first post.

Thank you Gallium

SevenSixtyTwo · 01-20-2013, 10:59

I know a retired cop who still calls magazines clips. My latest issue of Rifleman calls a magazine a clip. We may be in the minority by using the correct vernacule.

***Gallium*** · 01-20-2013, 11:16

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Originally Posted by SevenSixtyTwo

I know a retired cop who still calls magazines clips. My latest issue of Rifleman calls a magazine a clip. We may be in the minority by using the correct vernacular.

In the grand scheme of things, he/she did get the message out - dude used an evil black gun with deadly high cap clips to kill 26 too many people, ALL of them innocents, and all of them mostly defenseless.

We are quite capable of being burdened with grief, look for answers, and still demand high standards of people whose jobs utterly rely on standards and protocols.

I tell you, if this were a "jury" trial, and I was on the jury, even this one issue would be enough FOR ME to look at the state's case sideways - as in, to question the precision and accuracy of their work.

Does it lead me to believe in any conspiracy stuff? No, not at all. I've stated before that release of the ME's /coroner's reports will corroborate what the police are saying.

Are we bad, or paranoid, to expect police to communicate with us to a standard to which they are trained and certified? I think not.

- G

skorper · 01-20-2013, 11:18

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Originally Posted by SevenSixtyTwo

I know a retired cop who still calls magazines clips. My latest issue of Rifleman calls a magazine a clip. We may be in the minority by using the correct vernacule.

I do too. A retired cop. He retired while still using a stainless S&W .38 special revolver and was also qualified with a pump action shotgun. I know of no current police officers who are not qualified with an AR type rifle though, or who are not familiar with it. But that's just in our department and neighboring ones. May be different elsewhere.

A plausible explanation for using the term clip may be that the term was seen as more common. I'm far from a conspiracy theorist, and pointing out things of interest to gun people on a gun forum is certainly an acceptable thing to do.

The "high capacity" wording is certainly going to forever be associated with mass killing now, and "high capacity" has a lot of different meanings to a lot of different people. Again, this is all of interest to gun folks and guns rights activists. The anti's are probably happy as hell that the wording made it in there.

***Gallium*** · 01-20-2013, 11:22

If CT has a magazine limit of say...20 rounds, then by all means "high capacity" is a perfectly valid descriptive term to use. Definitions are not static thru-out the union.

What is the definition for an "arsenal" in Texas or Alabama? Compared to Washington DC or NYC?

skorper · 01-20-2013, 11:27

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Originally Posted by RussP

Since I doubt any of you addressed your issues with CSP...

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that appeasing a bunch of gun people on a gun forum is not high on their list of priorities at the moment.

**RussP** · 01-20-2013, 12:04

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Originally Posted by skorper

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that appeasing a bunch of gun people on a gun forum is not high on their list of priorities at the moment.

Many in this thread questioned the facts presented, the language used, and because of the words used, the veracity of the agency.

I passed on those concerns about the words used that some find objectionable.

Just wanted them to know some of your feelings about "the words."

It is their choice whether to reply by word or action.

***Gallium*** · 01-20-2013, 12:10

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Originally Posted by RussP

Many in this thread questioned the facts presented, the language used, and because of the words used, the voracity of the agency.

I passed on those concerns about the words used that some find objectionable.

Just wanted them to know some of your feelings about "the words."

It is their choice whether to reply by word or action.

Somotimos all it takos is one lottor to mako a funny.

On a serious note, Dragoon made a bunch of funny statements, as did Patch, and did I...the overall tone of this thread has not been "conspiracy" (not saying you said that!).

Did you send a link to the thread?

***Gallium*** · 01-20-2013, 12:11

I hope they (that agency) is as hungry for the truth as we are.

**RussP** · 01-20-2013, 13:02

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Originally Posted by Gallium

Somotimos all it takos is one lottor to mako a funny.

Damn...and I typed varacity...

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Originally Posted by Gallium

Did you send a link to the thread?

Did you read the email?

JWG_34 · 01-20-2013, 13:10

Clips?
A AR-15 does not use clips,it uses Magazines!
A garand rifle uses clips!
Just my 2cents worth!

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Originally Posted by skorper

"Clips"? Really? Who wrote that?

I am also extremely surprised with the descriptors they used. "High capacity 30 round clips"? Someone is injecting their personal opinion there. NOT a good thing when it will be headed to court. Thirty round magazines are STANDARD for any AR type rifle. MAYBE if there was a 40 rounder the "high capacity" bullcrap might apply, and that's big maybe. It says "clips" in the plural when there is no mention of the number. Not a good idea for a press release.

***Gallium*** · 01-20-2013, 16:03

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Originally Posted by RussP

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Did you read the email?

It is odd, when I 1st read it, I thought you only sent the universal URL for GT (www.glocktalk.com). It is right there in the letter, and yes, I read it, and in case I haven't said it today (but surely I have for at least 6 dozen times on GT) I have learning disabilities, no joke.

czsmithGT · 01-20-2013, 18:02

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Originally Posted by Gallium

I tell you, if this were a "jury" trial, and I was on the jury, even this one issue would be enough FOR ME to look at the state's case sideways - as in, to question the precision and accuracy of their work.

Step away from the TV next time one of those CSI shows comes on.

railfancwb · 01-20-2013, 19:04

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Originally Posted by Dragoon44

But what weapons did the shooter on the grassy knoll have?

Don't know. He (or she) didn't commit suicide and leave the weapons.

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IQof1 · 01-20-2013, 23:22

Some kinda funny how they just happened to recover the same exact weapons they want to ban now......how convenient.

JohnBT · 01-21-2013, 05:28

What's funny about it?

Bruce M · 01-21-2013, 05:47

Maybe they want to ban the AR15 because it was the weapon used.

ray9898 · 01-21-2013, 06:22

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Originally Posted by IQof1

Some kinda funny how they just happened to recover the same exact weapons they want to ban now......how convenient.

....or maybe they recovered what was used. After all it is a fairly common choice of mass murders which is one of the reasons we have the debate we have today.

SevenSixtyTwo · 01-21-2013, 10:16

Sounds like she had good taste in guns and not much liking for gun safes.

fnfalman · 01-21-2013, 10:33

Magazines vs clips...didn't somebody post an ad from Remington back in the days referring to its pistol's detachable magazine as "clip"?

DanaT · 01-21-2013, 10:37

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Originally Posted by ray9898

....or maybe they recovered what was used. After all it is a fairly common choice of mass murders which is one of the reasons we have the debate we have today.

I must agree.

I think the anti-gun politicians are opportunists but I sure dont think they would stage this to further their agenda.

Too many people (LEO are people too) saw what happened and I highly suspect that if they were lying about the weapons used, it would come out. I dont think American politicians have it in them to order the murder of 20 kids to push their agenda. Some might consider doing it, but they know they would likely get caught at some point.

What is the old saying about 3 people keeping a secret?

G36's Rule · 01-21-2013, 10:41

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Originally Posted by fnfalman

Magazines vs clips...didn't somebody post an ad from Remington back in the days referring to its pistol's detachable magazine as "clip"?

http://www.remington.com/en/product-...ine-clips.aspx

harlenm · 01-21-2013, 10:45

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Originally Posted by Gallium

If CT has a magazine limit of say...20 rounds, then by all means "high capacity" is a perfectly valid descriptive term to use. Definitions are not static thru-out the union.

What is the definition for an "arsenal" in Texas or Alabama? Compared to Washington DC or NYC?

We dont have a limit.

ca survivor · 01-21-2013, 11:00

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Originally Posted by Gallium

I have dibs on those Bushmaster clips! - Irresputible proof this was not actually from an actual LE agency.

Nice try Russ!! Did they stage the moon landing in yer back yard??? huh? huh?

Signed,
PW

don't you remember the pic of the FBI agent with the AR mag back wards ? I bet she will call it clip too.

GeneralSnafu · 01-21-2013, 11:22

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Originally Posted by Glockdude1

Why would the Bushmaster be mentioned with the "high capacity 30 round clips" and nothing about the pistols or shotgun magazines????

Something fishy here......

I agree. I smell Bull*****.