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Old 01-14-2013, 18:36   #1
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sticker shock!!

Yesterday I went into Wholesale Sports, used to be Sportemans Warehouse, to look for a target that I wanted. Just for giggles I wandered over to see what kind of ammunition they had available. I couldn't believe the prices on stuff. $40 for a box of 50 rounds of 40 S&W as an example. I've been a reloader for years so I've always been out of touch with commercial ammo prices but, Yikes!
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Old 01-14-2013, 19:13   #2
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Yesterday I went into Wholesale Sports, used to be Sportemans Warehouse, to look for a target that I wanted. Just for giggles I wandered over to see what kind of ammunition they had available. I couldn't believe the prices on stuff. $40 for a box of 50 rounds of 40 S&W as an example. I've been a reloader for years so I've always been out of touch with commercial ammo prices but, Yikes!
When Wally World had ammo, I was able to buy .40 S&W 180 gr FMJ (JHP? I forget...) for $18/box of 50.

I am certainly glad that I stocked up a bit before the election.

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Old 01-14-2013, 19:25   #3
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Guys at work complain and ask me if they are paying alot for ammo to which I reply "I don't know, I haven't bought ammo in years".

I tell them that for the price of 4 boxes of ammo they just bought they could buy a single stage press with everthing needed to reload, and for the cost of another 4 boxs they could buy components to reload 1000 rounds in brass they already have and after that, the biggest cost in reloading is time, well that statement may not be true any more.

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Old 01-14-2013, 22:00   #4
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I like $14 a box better than $39.95 and you can't find it for $39.95 anywhere around here anymore.
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Guys at work complain and ask me if they are paying alot for ammo to which I reply "I don't know, I haven't bought ammo in years".

I tell them that for the price of 4 boxes of ammo they just bought they could buy a single stage press with everthing needed to reload, and for the cost of another 4 boxs they could buy components to reload 1000 rounds in brass they already have and after that, the biggest cost in reloading is time, well that statement may not be true any more.

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Same here, there hasn't been a day since the panic started that I haven't been approached by someone about how to get ammo or ask if I would sell them reloads. I tipped a bunch of guys off about those 69g Noslers as I did here and they all dropped the ball. I tell them what my net cost will be to load those 1000 rounds about $273 (with free brass) and their mouths hit the floor. One guy was elated that he won a GB auction for a case of 500 XM193s for $600 shipped.
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Old 01-15-2013, 00:57   #6
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I stopped into a Wally in Kentucky in Oct to buy some 45s I needed for a match, $40 for WWB. I thought I was gonna cry. I am used to shooting 45 for $10/100. I couldn't imagine trying to buy factory ammo to shoot today or the next two years for that matter.
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Old 01-15-2013, 09:24   #7
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I"ve had two people here on GT that live fairly close to me ask if they can get some reloads from me.

One guy wanted to give me some brass in exchange for some, the other guy just wanted to buy some.

Not. In both cases.
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I"ve had two people here on GT that live fairly close to me ask if they can get some reloads from me.

One guy wanted to give me some brass in exchange for some, the other guy just wanted to buy some.

Not. In both cases.


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This thread had me thinking.. If you run out of a brass for a particular caliber (we'll say a popular caliber, 9mm), and you can't find any brass at the range. At what point does it make more sense to buy brass (say from Starline, or Midway, etc..) rather than buying Wal Mart ammo to shoot/get brass?
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This thread had me thinking.. If you run out of a brass for a particular caliber (we'll say a popular caliber, 9mm), and you can't find any brass at the range. At what point does it make more sense to buy brass (say from Starline, or Midway, etc..) rather than buying Wal Mart ammo to shoot/get brass?
Immediately.
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Hmm, looks like you're probably right.

I was just looking at brass prices, and it looks like 9mm brass is running about $125/k. That still only brings my 9mm cost to 11.75 per box. I believe "pre crazy" it was running about 15-16 per box.
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Old 01-15-2013, 13:41   #12
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There are still some online vendors that have once-fired 9mm brass available. But if it were me, I'd probably just by the new brass and load it up. It's getting harder and harder to find any 'bulk' 9mm ammo anywhere, and with local purchasing limits, it's a pain.
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This thread had me thinking.. If you run out of a brass for a particular caliber (we'll say a popular caliber, 9mm), and you can't find any brass at the range. At what point does it make more sense to buy brass (say from Starline, or Midway, etc..) rather than buying Wal Mart ammo to shoot/get brass?
It doesn't. Buying new brass + components = factory ammo prices. So just buy the ammo. IMO, unless you are shooting max loads all the time, buy once fired for every handgun round. It's 1/2-1/3 the cost of new & you are only losing one firing.
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Quick look at Midway, they list 1,000 pieces starline new brass at $165 (out of stock however), so lets call that 18 cents/ea after shipping/tax/whatever.

Box of WWB 40 S&W 50 count even at $18, that's 36 cents a round You're paying essentially 18 cents/ea for everything other than the brass. Figure 3 cents for powder, 4 cents primer, and 12 cents for the bullet (figure are probably a little high, but so are prices right now).

Balance out the time to pickup all that brass with the time it takes to reload and it seems pretty well even.
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The last time I bought brass it was 458 socom a few years ago. Range brass is free.

Now that my buddy borrowed my brass sorter bucket fulls of clean sorted brass is free, likely the most usefull contraption I have thrown together.
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Just came back from two larger gun/sporting good stores. The shelves were getting pretty empty of all the reloading components and factory ammo I saw was up to $2 more than when I was there early last week!

I have to say that I have seen some over-buying and panic grabs in the past but this is the worst I have seen in 40 years.

I sure hope this calms down... but I have this funny feeling that...
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It doesn't. Buying new brass + components = factory ammo prices. So just buy the ammo. IMO, unless you are shooting max loads all the time, buy once fired for every handgun round. It's 1/2-1/3 the cost of new & you are only losing one firing.
The math in post #11 says otherwise.

I'm sure once fired is way cheaper (or at least it should be)..
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Buy some once fired bulk. Or worst case go to a indoor range an sweep it up. I remember doing that in the 80's. Pay my fee and show up with a 22. Snag all the brass everyone leaves before the range sweeps it up.
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Balance out the time to pickup all that brass with the time it takes to reload and it seems pretty well even.
I am at the range anyway, picking up brass gives me something to do during target changes or when others are shooting.
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The math in post #11 says otherwise.

I'm sure once fired is way cheaper (or at least it should be)..
Well your math is kind of like a liberals, unless I misubdrstand what you are saying:
$125 for new brass = 12.5c each
$80/1000 for bullets = 8c each
primer & powder, call it 4c each
total $24.50/100 or a bit more than buying WWB or UMC. So once fired for say $40/1000 reduces your cost to $20.50/100, still about factory cost. The savings always comes from amortizing the brass case. $40 for 9mm is about 1/2c each over 8x reloaded, which is quite easy.
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