GlockTalk.com
Home Forums Classifieds Blogs Today's Posts Search Social Groups



  
SIGN-UP
Notices

Glock Talk
Welcome To The Glock Talk Forums.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-18-2013, 15:39   #51
PhotoFeller
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Midwest and south
Posts: 2,685
Blog Entries: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by janice6 View Post
I read and I observe. I also form conclusions based on what I read and observe.

One result of this is that you are not worth responding to.
Its difficult to respond to questions you don't have plausible answers to.

Your failure to respond is itself a very clear response.

I suspect you read and observe the sources that support your views, and information or questions that challenge those views are ignored, or laughed off as nonsense. You're not looking for a serious discussion, in my view.

Thanks for your non-response.
PhotoFeller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2013, 15:57   #52
PhotoFeller
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Midwest and south
Posts: 2,685
Blog Entries: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendog Redux View Post
Democrats want guns because they believe without access to guns, people cannot kill one another. There is no reason to over think it or make it more dramatic than it really is.
This seems far more plausible than theories that Democrats want to disarm us in order to control us.
PhotoFeller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2013, 16:04   #53
Fred Hansen
Liberal Bane
 
Fred Hansen's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 16,022
Q: Why haven't Republicans warned Americans of the insidious anti-gun/anti-freedom agenda of the American left?

A: They have for more than half a century. To wit:


The protestations of useless liberal trolls notwithstanding, of course.

__________________
When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. - George Santayana
Fred Hansen is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2013, 16:18   #54
Fred Hansen
Liberal Bane
 
Fred Hansen's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 16,022
Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendog Redux View Post
Democrats want guns because they believe without access to guns, people cannot kill one another. There is no reason to over think it or make it more dramatic than it really is.
If that was even a tiny bit true, things like Operación Rápido y Furioso never would have been thought of, much less executed with ruthless zeal.
__________________
When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. - George Santayana
Fred Hansen is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2013, 16:28   #55
PhotoFeller
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Midwest and south
Posts: 2,685
Blog Entries: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by fuzzy03cls View Post
I think you need to live in a ban area to understand.
Having lived all my life in NYC & then moving & then only caring about a gun years after I moved....Kids are brainwashed from the public schools, K on up. Everything in NYC at least is anti gun. Guns are only for cops. This is the thinking in NYC. Why do I need a gun? I have the police. The crime rate is down, why do I need a gun? The population is so brainwashed with a lack of individual thinking that they vote for these people time & time again & don't have a clue outside their own area.
That's why you have all the anti gun people in the NE of the country. These laws & idea's they have had for decades. Generations & generations of kids that grow up & never move & the cycle just repeats.

And NY specifically look up the Sullivan law & then look up that person. Mob boss...Dumb down the population so there no resistance.
Your opinion is interesting, but I don't know enough about NY to agree or refute it. I know there are pockets of ignorance in every state, but to generalize that Democrat leaders have been able to "..,Dumb down the [New York] population so there is no resistance" sounds like an overstatement of Liberal leadership effectiveness.

Why do you suppose that NY citizens have a different opinion about guns than citizens in Texas and Arizona? Why haven't citizens in Mobile or New Orleans been brainwashed, I wonder. Can it be that a region's history and tradition with guns is the real driver for how today's citizens view gun ownership?
PhotoFeller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2013, 17:20   #56
PhotoFeller
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Midwest and south
Posts: 2,685
Blog Entries: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred Hansen View Post
If that was even a tiny bit true, things like Operación Rápido y Furioso never would have been thought of, much less executed with ruthless zeal.
I don't follow your logic, Fred. The guns used in this operation were just traceable items the drug gangs really wanted for their 'business'. It wouldn't have made much sense to make garden tractors or refrigerators available to them.

Last edited by PhotoFeller; 01-18-2013 at 18:45..
PhotoFeller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2013, 17:35   #57
Jerry
Moderator
 
Jerry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1998
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 8,657
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhotoFeller View Post
Your opinion is interesting, but I don't know enough about NY to agree or refute it. I know there are pockets of ignorance in every state, but to generalize that Democrat leaders have been able to "..,Dumb down the [New York] population so there is no resistance" sounds like an overstatement of Liberal leadership effectiveness.

Why do you suppose that NY citizens have a different opinion about guns than citizens in Texas and Arizona? Why haven't citizens in Mobile or New Orleans been brainwashed, I wonder. Can it be that a region's history and tradition with guns is the real driver for how today's citizens view gun ownership?
If you don't believe the vast majority in New Orleans have been brainwashed you need to come visit and talk to some. If you can beez understand dem.

Last night on the news they interviewed a couple that had a home invasion. The perps were armed with "A" crowbar. The couple gave them their money and their gun. Their gun? Yep! They handed over a gun to a guy with a crowbar. I guess you shouldn't bring a gun to crowbar fight.
__________________
Jerry
BIG DAWG #4

Liberal: Someone who is so open-minded their brains have fallen out.
Guns are not dangerous, people are.
Jerry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2013, 18:13   #58
fuzzy03cls
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Florida
Posts: 2,744
Quote:
Your opinion is interesting,
It's not an opinion.....I was out of NYC for 5 years before I ever fired a gun or ever thought I wanted one. Took that long to get my mind clear. Now the 2nd & the notion of self defense makes perfect sense to me. I was one of the people that though baning all guns would stop crime.
My friends in NYC... they all think I'm some crazy militia person. I kid you not. They can't fathom why I want to carry a gun.
fuzzy03cls is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2013, 19:08   #59
PhotoFeller
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Midwest and south
Posts: 2,685
Blog Entries: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by fuzzy03cls View Post
It's not an opinion.....I was out of NYC for 5 years before I ever fired a gun or ever thought I wanted one. Took that long to get my mind clear. Now the 2nd & the notion of self defense makes perfect sense to me. I was one of the people that though baning all guns would stop crime.
My friends in NYC... they all think I'm some crazy militia person. I kid you not. They can't fathom why I want to carry a gun.
fuzzy - I appreciate the transition you went through, and I'm glad you discovered the fun and comforting experience of gun ownership.

I'm wondering if your experience growing up might have been quite different in upstate NY. If you agree, you might support the theory that citizen opinions about guns vary from one area of the country to another. Rural areas and cities in states with a rich tradition in family gun ownership, hunting and sport shooting tend to feel strongly about gun rights.

Giving Liberals credit for brainwashing people against guns is probably giving them way too much credit.
PhotoFeller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2013, 19:17   #60
PhotoFeller
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Midwest and south
Posts: 2,685
Blog Entries: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
If you don't believe the vast majority in New Orleans have been brainwashed you need to come visit and talk to some. If you can beez understand dem.

Last night on the news they interviewed a couple that had a home invasion. The perps were armed with "A" crowbar. The couple gave them their money and their gun. Their gun? Yep! They handed over a gun to a guy with a crowbar. I guess you shouldn't bring a gun to crowbar fight.
As you well know, one example does not make a case for the whole city. I assumed, perhaps wrongly, that New Orleans citizens, generally, would be strong gun advocates. My opinion was based on that city's survival spirit and it's history, and the state's history, over decades of leadership by strong willed individualists.

Let me know if I'm wrong about this great city.
PhotoFeller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2013, 20:19   #61
Fred Hansen
Liberal Bane
 
Fred Hansen's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 16,022
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhotoFeller View Post
I don't follow your logic, Fred. The guns used in this operation were just traceable items the drug gangs really wanted for their 'business'. It wouldn't have made much sense to make garden tractors or refrigerators available to them.
You're most likely a liberal troll, masquerading as the world's most hopelessly obtuse and/or naive "practical" Republican, so of course you don't follow logic.

Had the feds wanted to "trace" drug gang items, everything from high end vehicles to jewelry to money, and even drugs themselves could easily have been made traceable through microstamping and the use of taggants. Shy of a car crash or an overdose, no one would have died from that sort of "trace".

Operación Rápido y Furioso's purpose was to outrage the hope-a-doped hordes by making it seem like ordinary American gun owners were flooding Mexico with contraband "assault rifles" purchased legally in the U.S.A. The endgame of Operación Rápido y Furioso was for the hope-a-doped hordes to recoil in horror, and subsequently demand an end to the availability of "assault rifles" here in the United States. Given the amount of carnage perpetrated by the cartels, Congress would have no other choice than to end the evil gringos' (a.k.a. bitter clinger NRA types) efforts to flood such a peaceful land as Meheeco, with their instruments of death.

Quote:
"We must Brainwash People To Be Against Guns"

Eric Holder 1995

The operation never had anything to do with identifying cartel members or their activities. The feds only used them because of their willingness to break international laws. Even a retarded monkey would understand that one doesn't "trace" druglords by giving them deadly weapons.

The BATFEHIJKLMNOP and the various other alphabet soup agencies would have gotten away with the plot too, had it not been for the death of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry. That horrible event caused a crisis of conscience for at least one of the participants in the operation, and he subsequently ratted out his fellow conspirators.

Now it is once again your turn to say 'aw shucks' kick the dirt a little, and act like you don't get it.

I could be mistaken about your status as a liberal troll... It could very well be that you are as slow of wit/naive as you claim to be. If so, allow me to apologize for characterizing you as something as vile as a liberal, and let me be the first to extend my sympathy for your condition.
__________________
When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. - George Santayana
Fred Hansen is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2013, 20:37   #62
Jerry
Moderator
 
Jerry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1998
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 8,657
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhotoFeller View Post
As you well know, one example does not make a case for the whole city. I assumed, perhaps wrongly, that New Orleans citizens, generally, would be strong gun advocates. My opinion was based on that city's survival spirit and it's history, and the state's history, over decades of leadership by strong willed individualists.

Let me know if I'm wrong about this great city.
That was just ONE example. There are a few, very few pro gun people left in New Orleans. Most moved to the surrounding parishes long ago. The last gun shop closed it's door years ago. There are a few NICE spots and places, restaurants, in the city but for the most part its a cesspool. It was that way even before Katrina. I moved away many years ago. That's when it started decaying. It didn't start because I left. I left because it started. So did thousands of others. The city was a glorious place at one time. No so much anymore.

If one goes to the French Quarter there's lots of fun to be had. Turn down the wrong street though and look out.

Oh, BTW, the ex-mayor is being indited.
__________________
Jerry
BIG DAWG #4

Liberal: Someone who is so open-minded their brains have fallen out.
Guns are not dangerous, people are.

Last edited by Jerry; 01-18-2013 at 20:39..
Jerry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2013, 20:59   #63
PhotoFeller
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Midwest and south
Posts: 2,685
Blog Entries: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred Hansen View Post
You're most likely a liberal troll, masquerading as the world's most hopelessly obtuse and/or naive "practical" Republican, so of course you don't follow logic.

Had the feds wanted to "trace" drug gang items, everything from high end vehicles to jewelry to money, and even drugs themselves could easily have been made traceable through microstamping and the use of taggants. Shy of a car crash or an overdose, no one would have died from that sort of "trace".

Operación Rápido y Furioso's purpose was to outrage the hope-a-doped hordes by making it seem like ordinary American gun owners were flooding Mexico with contraband "assault rifles" purchased legally in the U.S.A. The endgame of Operación Rápido y Furioso was for the hope-a-doped hordes to recoil in horror, and subsequently demand an end to the availability of "assault rifles" here in the United States. Given the amount of carnage perpetrated by the cartels, Congress would have no other choice than to end the evil gringos' (a.k.a. bitter clinger NRA types) efforts to flood such a peaceful land as Meheeco, with their instruments of death.



Eric Holder 1995 Interview - Gun Control - "We Must Brainwash People Against Guns" - YouTube

The operation never had anything to do with identifying cartel members or their activities. The feds only used them because of their willingness to break international laws. Even a retarded monkey would understand that one doesn't "trace" druglords by giving them deadly weapons.

The BATFEHIJKLMNOP and the various other alphabet soup agencies would have gotten away with the plot too, had it not been for the death of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry. That horrible event caused a crisis of conscience for at least one of the participants in the operation, and he subsequently ratted out his fellow conspirators.

Now it is once again your turn to say 'aw shucks' kick the dirt a little, and act like you don't get it.

I could be mistaken about your status as a liberal troll... It could very well be that you are as slow of wit/naive as you claim to be. If so, allow me to apologize for characterizing you as something as vile as a liberal, and let me be the first to extend my sympathy for your condition.
Aw shucks, Freddie, [kicks the dirt a little] I'm not sure I get what you're talkin' about.

Last edited by PhotoFeller; 01-18-2013 at 21:00..
PhotoFeller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2013, 21:05   #64
Fred Hansen
Liberal Bane
 
Fred Hansen's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 16,022
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhotoFeller View Post
Aw shucks, Freddie, [kicks the dirt a little] I'm not sure I get what you're talkin' about.
Q.E.D.
__________________
When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. - George Santayana
Fred Hansen is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2013, 21:11   #65
PhotoFeller
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Midwest and south
Posts: 2,685
Blog Entries: 2
Duplicate post.

Last edited by PhotoFeller; 01-18-2013 at 21:12..
PhotoFeller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2013, 22:07   #66
Fred Hansen
Liberal Bane
 
Fred Hansen's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 16,022
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhotoFeller View Post
Duplicate post.
__________________
When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. - George Santayana
Fred Hansen is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2013, 22:24   #67
kirgi08
Silver Membership
Watcher.
 
kirgi08's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Acme proving grounds.
Posts: 26,668
Blog Entries: 1


Why do "Dems" want our guns,is quite simple.They can't use their EBT cards ta get them.'08.

Mornin Fred.
__________________
I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6

If you look like food,You will be eaten.

Rip Chad.You will be missed.
kirgi08 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2013, 23:33   #68
Fred Hansen
Liberal Bane
 
Fred Hansen's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 16,022
Quote:
Originally Posted by kirgi08 View Post
Why do "Dems" want our guns,is quite simple.They can't use their EBT cards ta get them.'08.

Mornin Fred.
In the immortal words of Hee Haw... Salute!
__________________
When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. - George Santayana
Fred Hansen is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2013, 00:03   #69
kirgi08
Silver Membership
Watcher.
 
kirgi08's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Acme proving grounds.
Posts: 26,668
Blog Entries: 1


Whats fer dinner Grandpa.'08.
__________________
I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6

If you look like food,You will be eaten.

Rip Chad.You will be missed.
kirgi08 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2013, 00:05   #70
Fred Hansen
Liberal Bane
 
Fred Hansen's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 16,022
__________________
When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. - George Santayana
Fred Hansen is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2013, 00:17   #71
kirgi08
Silver Membership
Watcher.
 
kirgi08's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Acme proving grounds.
Posts: 26,668
Blog Entries: 1




Smart arse.'08.

You do understand yer lack posting does require yer focus.n00bs ect.
__________________
I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6

If you look like food,You will be eaten.

Rip Chad.You will be missed.
kirgi08 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2013, 00:26   #72
countrygun
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 17,068
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhotoFeller View Post
I don't follow your logic, Fred. The guns used in this operation were just traceable items the drug gangs really wanted for their 'business'. It wouldn't have made much sense to make garden tractors or refrigerators available to them.
OK,

where are the drug busts that came as a result?


why not use something else traceable, like, well...hmmm.... 'Money"? It's got serial numbers and that's all the F&F guns had.
countrygun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2013, 00:30   #73
janice6
Platinum Membership
NRA
 
janice6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: minnesota
Posts: 17,290


Quote:
Originally Posted by PhotoFeller View Post
Its difficult to respond to questions you don't have plausible answers to.

Your failure to respond is itself a very clear response.

I suspect you read and observe the sources that support your views, and information or questions that challenge those views are ignored, or laughed off as nonsense. You're not looking for a serious discussion, in my view.

Thanks for your non-response.
I also read your previous posts and do not find you the expert you think you are. You just push the party line.
__________________
janice6

"Peace is that brief, glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". Anonymous

Earp: Not everyone who knows you hates you.
DOC: I know it ain't always easy bein' my friend....but I'll BE THERE when you need me.
janice6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2013, 02:59   #74
Fred Hansen
Liberal Bane
 
Fred Hansen's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 16,022
Another leftist pig chimes in:

Democrat Ed Rendell: Good Thing About Newtown is That it Was So Horrific

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show....php?t=1463816
__________________
When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. - George Santayana
Fred Hansen is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2013, 05:35   #75
railfancwb
Senior Member
 
railfancwb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Shelbyville, Tennessee TN
Posts: 3,825
Remember, the Democrat party was the party of the plantation/slave south, the KKK, Jim Crow laws, etc. Thus they have consistently worked to keep guns out of the hands of the underclass. Initially this was blatant with respect to former slaves and their descendants, just as the various voting restrictions were. This became more subtle with the Gun Control Act of 1968, with its bans on "Saturday Night Specials" and imports of war surplus guns. At some point the underclass became all who could not afford their own private security force and were not assigned government-funded security. Now the underclass must be disarmed before its members realize Kristofferson's definition of freedom as nothing left to lose applies to them.


Posted using Outdoor Hub Campfire
__________________
"Never give to your friend any power that your enemy may some day inherit." -- Paul Weyrich
railfancwb is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:20.



Homepage
FAQ
Forums
Calendar
Advertise
Gallery
GT Wiki
GT Blogs
Social Groups
Classifieds


Users Currently Online: 942
310 Members
632 Guests

Most users ever online: 2,244
Nov 11, 2013 at 11:42