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As a defensive round, .25 ACP has to get the nod based just on the fact that it's centerfire. Rimfire ignition simply isn't as reliable.

[Glock19Fan]

Originally Posted by fredj338

If you can shoot a 22lr, you can shoot a 4" 38sp w/ 148grWC ammo.

I have yet to find a 4" .38 the size of my cell phone.

Originally Posted by fredj338

The advent of small 9mm has made the 22-32 mouse guns moot IMO. The little Kahr will be easier to shoot & hit harder & almost the same size.

I disagree with this statement. My girlfriend is right at 5' tall and weighs 103 and has trouble shooting her G26. Putting a smaller, lighter weapon in her hands is going to be less effective. The G26 stays on her nightstand, but for carry she is confident in the .25ACP. Its half the size of any 9mm auto, and she can fire 6 rounds in the time it takes her to carefully place one 9mm round.

I even admit to carrying the .22LR and .25ACP at times, but generally as a secondary weapon. I understand its capabilities and I am comfortable with it.

[Glock19Fan]

Originally Posted by ithaca_deerslayer

Were the water jugs full of water?

Cool test. Next time add the .380 to the mix

Yes, all jugs were sealed and full of water. I do have a .380, but only with a 3.5 inch barrel. I do have a .32 Keltec I will be testing next time though, as I am curious to how it will do.

[c01]

Originally Posted by Glock19Fan

Yes, all jugs were sealed and full of water. I do have a .380, but only with a 3.5 inch barrel. I do have a .32 Keltec I will be testing next time though, as I am curious to how it will do.

Me too.

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[flw]

Originally Posted by fredj338

If you can shoot a 22lr, you can shoot a 4" 38sp w/ 148grWC ammo, IMO, a far better choice than any 22lr. Most 25s are very diff to shoot well for an unskilled shooter, a target style 22lr would be a better tool than any 25acp.
The advent of small 9mm has made the 22-32 mouse guns moot IMO. The little Kahr will be easier to shoot & hit harder & almost the same size. I don't even like the 380, & now with better micro 9mm, why carry anything smaller & less potent.

You seem to be be getting more excited the larger the caliber.

One of the main points is smaller can still be effective.

In this case, it can also be very cost effective compared to the two other (larger) and more expensive calibers to shoot examples.

Then there is the less expensive rounds to shoot, the more people practice (good) and practice means more effective rounds down range (also good).

Last is the only real con. The owner must select the most reliable of the bunch, as reliability is always #1. Center fire is more reliable than rim. Is 25 the cheapest center fire to shoot (before recent price jumps/shortages) ?

I know this is a caliber discussion but with a 22, reliability is a serious consideration, if the gun is ever to be considered for use in self defense. All 22 variations have lower a reliability.

Thanks for the reviews

[SCmasterblaster]

Originally Posted by Glock19Fan

I have yet to find a 4" .38 the size of my cell phone.



I disagree with this statement. My girlfriend is right at 5' tall and weighs 103 and has trouble shooting her G26. Putting a smaller, lighter weapon in her hands is going to be less effective. The G26 stays on her nightstand, but for carry she is confident in the .25ACP. Its half the size of any 9mm auto, and she can fire 6 rounds in the time it takes her to carefully place one 9mm round.

I even admit to carrying the .22LR and .25ACP at times, but generally as a secondary weapon. I understand its capabilities and I am comfortable with it.

CCI Stingers are good in the pocket .22s - over 1000 FPS with a 32gr JHP.