[Patchman]

Originally Posted by Gallium

If that were the case, the NRA would have been able to sway Congress as LE did to enact HR218.

In all the noise, thank you (everybody except Patchman ) for doing a thankless, demoralizing job. I've tried to instill in my offspring a healthy respect and appreciation for public "servants", and especially for LE.

- G

Hey, if any of your off springs want to better themselves by become a LEO, so they can better themselves socially (not economically-that's what your estate is for), let me know. I'll gladly call whatever agency they're applying for and put in a good word.

[Patchman]

Originally Posted by Gallium

If that were the case, the NRA would have been able to sway Congress as LE did to enact HR218.
G

Immediately after 9/11/2001, both President Bush and Congress knew what was right, and did right. Just goes to show, money can't always buy congress all the time, on all issues.

Sorry, but talk to the NRA about it.

[kenpoprofessor]

Originally Posted by ICARRY2

I understand your point about individual leos speaking out in an official capacity, but as Grimlet stated you belong to police organizations that represent your interest. Grimlet is asking you to contact those reps to amend leosa so the police are not affected by magazine limits. Which is exactly what I'm talking about. Passing exemptions for the police and not fighting for gun rights in general so there wouldn't be a need for an exemption in the first place.

http://www.examiner.com/article/gun-...cial-treatment

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

[GRIMLET]

Originally Posted by kenpoprofessor

http://www.examiner.com/article/gun-...cial-treatment

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

Always trying to keep the blue man down........




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[kenpoprofessor]

Originally Posted by GRIMLET

Always trying to keep the blue man down........




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Nope, just trying to make our politicians and public servants live up to the 14th amendment.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

[BLACK Z]

I wonder if the exemption would/is going to cover just duty weapons or all of our Weapons and what about our AR's and could we purchase new ar's and Hi Caps 10 or more rounds.

And I must say I I would like to see the mag and AR restrictions lifted for everyone not just LE.

[Cochese]

Originally Posted by ICARRY2

Cochese,

The only problem with repealing or stopping gun control is that it seems like when politicians do pass gun control that affects the police too, the police dont fight the legislation they only fight to get an exemption for themselves.

Once the police do get exempted, you never hear from the police again about how wrong or ineffective the new gun control law is other than places like GT. The police don't lobby our legislature to overturn anything or to support ccw nationwide.

I remember watching a chief on the news testifying before Congress about LEOSA back on 2004 when the law was being considered. The chief thought federal law should allow active/retired leos to ccw nationwide, but it should be up to the states when it comes to private citizens ccw.

I know you and other leos here on GT are very pro-2A, citizen ccw nationwide, but leos as a whole do not fight very often or very hard for citizens gun rights.

I really think if the police in this country became more vocal and publicly supported the 2A everytime some gun grabber introduced ridiculous legislation we would ALL be better off.

Look at the police in NY. They are not fighting the new magazine restriction, they are just trying to get an exemption for themselves.

I don't know about the others here but I cannot use my position for personal gain or political favoritism nor can I advocate for or on behalf of something in any type of association with my employment. We have public information officers for that.

Bosses can say what they want but they have a different dog in the fight than Joe beatcop.

It is what it is. I'm fighting it as a citizen... just like everyone else.

[Cochese]

Originally Posted by kenpoprofessor

Nope, just trying to make our politicians and public servants live up to the 14th amendment.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

You are so ignorant it makes my cats taint itch.

[Patchman]

Originally Posted by kenpoprofessor

Nope, just trying to make our politicians and public servants live up to the 14th amendment.

Clyde

Professor, you don't pay nearly enough taxes to turn your public servants into your advocates.

[GRIMLET]

Originally Posted by kenpoprofessor

Nope, just trying to make our politicians and public servants live up to the 14th amendment.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

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[GRIMLET]

Originally Posted by kenpoprofessor

Nope, just trying to make our politicians and public servants live up to the 14th amendment.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

Actually my state didnt ratify the 14th.
Hahahahaha

Ok. Section 1 dealt with equality involving the "black code"
Not the thin blue line.

However, the 3rd section may be how some pro 2A congressmen are removed.

BTW
I owe you an apology, I thought kenpo involved a baton. Sorry.



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[Ducowti]

Originally Posted by Patchman

This whole 7-round thing is so bizarre, I don't even know how that number came about...

...But this 7-round thing? This has as much logic flow as some GNGers' posts.

During his statement on the bill when nay vote Mclaughlin asked about the number 7 the fellow speaking on behalf of the gov. meekly replied 'thats the # the governor wanted.' So apparently it was an arbitrary # less than 10 but more than 2.


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[thinkfast]

From what I read on the new law, the first offense for possessing a mag over the new seven round max is a civil penalty of $200.00.

The way coppers seem to look out for their brothers in NY, combined with the fact the 1st time is a civil penalty, I can't imagine a decent rank-and-file NY road officer giving a rat's derrier about another leo's mag cap.

Just the fact that this discussion is taking place is sad.

Anyone who feels like moving is not an option, please keep in mind that in most areas of the country, 3000/month will get you a LOT more than 650 sq ft. on the 8th floor. And one dollar can get you more than 16 oz. of Coke. We have high capacity 32 & 44oz. cups here.

If you leave that six figure NY position for one that pays 50-60k in a more reasonably priced area, you might actually come out ahead.
I hate to see fellow countrymen feel trapped in a high tax/ low freedom state.

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[steveksux]

Originally Posted by Patchman

This whole 7-round thing is so bizarre, I don't even know how that number came about.

I mean, with the previous NYS 10-round mag restriction, there was the Clinton national AWB which had the 10-round restriction. When that expired, NYS said, "OK, we're keeping it." I can see that logic flow.

But this 7-round thing? This has as much logic flow as some GNGers' posts.

It makes perfect sense. There are very few semi-autos that have 7 round mags. It seems to me like a backdoor way to practically ban the vast majority of semi-autos.

Randy

[ultra45]

Originally Posted by thinkfast

From what I read on the new law, the first offense for possessing a mag over the new seven round max is a civil penalty of $200.00.

The way coppers seem to look out for their brothers in NY, combined with the fact the 1st time is a civil penalty, I can't imagine a decent rank-and-file NY road officer giving a rat's derrier about another leo's mag cap.

Just the fact that this discussion is taking place is sad.

Anyone who feels like moving is not an option, please keep in mind that in most areas of the country, 3000/month will get you a LOT more than 650 sq ft. on the 8th floor. And one dollar can get you more than 16 oz. of Coke. We have high capacity 32 & 44oz. cups here.

If you leave that six figure NY position for one that pays 50-60k in a more reasonably priced area, you might actually come out ahead.
I hate to see fellow countrymen feel trapped in a high tax/ low freedom state.

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+1000. So very true. Excellent!

[Gallium]

I just heard from a friend of mine who is retired LE, and now lives and works as an armored car driver in the state of NJ. He told me, last Friday they got the official word that when they are working in NY (they do money dropoff/pickups across the George Wash Bridge in Washington Heights, Fordham and Baychester areas of the Bronx in addition to Mt. Vernon (a place where he told me the accounts there told them to NEVER come to after dark for any money related transactions...)

they got word their mags have to be downloaded to 7 rounds starting this past week.

As most here know, armored car/guards/companies are registered in each state, but operates under a federal license...meaning a company that is licensed in PA can send a truck + armed guards virtually anywhere in CONUS to pickup/dropoff money*.(*caveats & rules exist)

He is pissed...tells me he is looking to switch his route to NJ/PA only, and for the meanwhile is ignoring the company regs on how many magazines he should have (3) on his person (now has five, hopes he never needs to use any).

- G

[Patchman]

Originally Posted by Gallium

they got word their mags have to be downloaded to 7 rounds starting this past week.
- G

So basically the new restrictions is based on the honor system. And does this mean NY gun owners can now own "hi-cap" mags as long as they only load to 7-rounds?

[gsp174]

I am going to go into work tonight and arrest myself and all the other people I work with.
Not sure of the section of law it will be under or the degree of the charge, and have not gone out of my way to find out.
The only way I see myself arresting somone for this charge is if it is associated with a bad guy doing a bad thing. Not a proactive arrest section for me.

[ithaca_deerslayer]

Originally Posted by Patchman

So basically the new restrictions is based on the honor system. And does this mean NY gun owners can now own "hi-cap" mags as long as they only load to 7-rounds?

Can keep your own 10-round mags, but just fill to 7. Can't sell them instate. Can't buy new ones. Can't buy new guns with a 10-round mag (well you could buy the gun, but not the mags).

Future gun purchases limited to 7-round mags. As if that is common. Means a lot of new shooters are severely limited to gun options.

11+ mags are forbidden. Either sell out of state, toss in garbage, give to police, or modify to hold no more than 10 (only allowed to put 7 bullets in them).

Jeepers, almost like we don't have any Constitutional rights.




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I joined the NRA, have you yet?

[Patchman]

Originally Posted by ithaca_deerslayer

Can keep your own 10-round mags, but just fill to 7. Can't sell them instate. Can't buy new ones. Can't buy new guns with a 10-round mag (well you could buy the gun, but not the mags).

Future gun purchases limited to 7-round mags. As if that is common. Means a lot of new shooters are severely limited to gun options.

11+ mags are forbidden. Either sell out of state, toss in garbage, give to police, or modify to hold no more than 10 (only allowed to put 7 bullets in them).

I'll leave it at that!

[Gallium]

Personally, this is what I think the law should state:

If you have a permit, or are otherwise lawfully permitted to carry a gun (cop, retired LE, armed security guard), so long as your gun is properly concealed, and you are not involved in any felonious activity, you can carry what you want, with whatever rounds you can also conceal on your person.

If you are a felon, a nut bag, a juvenile (minor), or are planning /conspiring to run afoul of the law, you can only have 7 rounds in your magazine.

Yes, stupid, but oh so appropriate for this state.

[lawman800]

Don't go to NY and don't go go NJ.

Heck, the sad part is that CA, for all its nonsense about guns, is better than those states still for the most part, even when it comes to non-LEOSA issues.

[razdog76]

Originally Posted by lawman800

Don't go to NY and don't go go NJ.

Heck, the sad part is that CA, for all its nonsense about guns, is better than those states still for the most part, even when it comes to non-LEOSA issues.

No doubt, if I was a betting man, and lived in Nevada...

[BLACK Z]

I keep reading where it says you have one year to get rid of hi cap mags, is that the 10 rounders or do they mean 11 Plus.

[RVER]

(5) shot revolvers making a forced comeback?