[Cochese]

Originally Posted by kenpoprofessor

My testimony was responsible for sending two Airman to military prison for dereliction of duty when I was Active Duty, does that count?

Shouldn't veterans have the same "extra rights"?

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

No, and your strawman apples to oranges bull**** is getting old.

[98LS-WON]

How many officers are willing to cite someone for violating the 7 round limit? I'd ask any NYPD to take a stand to not enforce it unless it's tacked on to another valid offense that has already been committed. What are the chances of that happening?

[msu_grad_121]

Originally Posted by 98LS-WON

How many officers are willing to cite someone for violating the 7 round limit? I'd ask any NYPD to take a stand to not enforce it unless it's tacked on to another valid offense that has already been committed. What are the chances of that happening?

That's not the point, and it's really unfair for anyone (LE or non-sworn citizen) to expect an officer to risk formal reprimand for a poorly thought out law which is nothing more than political grandstanding. This might be the single stupidest law I've heard of to date, and they managed to ramrod it through on thr backs of slain children, which sickens me far more than anything else they've done.

As for Clyde, since you keep going on about doctors and surgeons, I pose this question to you: why should a doctor or surgeon with MD plates on their personal vehicle be allowed to stop, stand and park regardless of the posted ordnances and laws, as some states allow them to do? They're just like you and me, right? Heck, I've taken basic first aid, so I should be allowed to park my personal vehicle wherever I choose as well, wouldn't you say?

[BLACK Z]

Say we disregard the new law and keep 10 or 15 rounds or what ever in out mag's, say we need to act and we fire 10 plus rounds now what, we saved livves but our also broken the law.

I read in some of the links above that they are going to add a exemption for active and retired LE, so I assume that will mean that well be able to keep our Hi Caps and ten round mags, I am hoping for all of our guns and not just our duty/back up.

I really do like living in NY state, yes I moved out of NYC and the LI area and live in farm Country on my own hobby farm, But I hate BS like this and the I can't forget the taxes.

[Bruce M]

Originally Posted by GRIMLET

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You either dont get it or you just like to troll cops. ...



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I think even just in this thread there is more than ample evidence that it is both. And if one examines past history... well never mind.






Hopefully the legislature can rethink at least some of this.

[Ducowti]

Originally Posted by BLACK Z

Say we disregard the new law and keep 10 or 15 rounds or what ever in out mag's, say we need to act and we fire 10 plus rounds now what, we saved livves but our also broken the law.

I read in some of the links above that they are going to add a exemption for active and retired LE, so I assume that will mean that well be able to keep our Hi Caps and ten round mags, I am hoping for all of our guns and not just our duty/back up.

I really do like living in NY state, yes I moved out of NYC and the LI area and live in farm Country on my own hobby farm, But I hate BS like this and the I can't forget the taxes.

In your hypothetical above you should have time to sort out your statement that you acted with 7rds and then reloaded before the boys arrive ;0 Of course I would be concerned about the local prosecutor more than the arriving officers.

Considering the myriad oversights in the bill I cant imagine these twits are going to distinguish between LEOs' duty and other weapons in their revision. But they've already demonstrated their lack of sensibility so we shall see...


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[WT]

Stuntman22 - thanks for the clarification.

[Ajon412]

This may or may not answer some of your questions.....

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...on-for-police/

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo's office is working on amendments to clarify the newly passed gun-control law, following complaints that it did not explicitly exempt police officers from a ban on high-capacity magazines.

The state law bans magazines over seven rounds -- police officers typically use magazines that hold twice as many bullets. Critics of the law claimed the alleged oversight was a product of the haste with which the package was passed through the legislature.

"This could have been avoided," Republican Assemblyman Al Graf told FoxNews.com.

However, Cuomo's office insists police officers are still exempt.

"Police officers possessing ammunition clip with more than seven bullets are not in violation of this law and they never will be, period," Cuomo spokesman Matthew Wing said

......Graf also said he wants to write an amendment explicitly exempting retired officers -- further, he claimed there is confusion about whether on- and off-duty officers can have a gun on school grounds.

[kenpoprofessor]

http://reason.com/blog/2013/01/18/co...-yorks-new-mag

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

[razdog76]

No matter what happens when I retire, I just want to be able to carry one more in my gun than kenpoprofessor.

[mknpwr]

Originally Posted by razdog76

No matter what happens when I retire, I just want to be able to carry one more in my gun than kenpoprofessor.

That's funny!

Sent from my rotary dial phone

[msu_grad_121]

Originally Posted by razdog76

No matter what happens when I retire, I just want to be able to carry one more in my gun than kenpoprofessor.

Thank you! I was having a sorta not great day, but THAT made me cry laughing! Bahahaha!

[DaBigBR]

Originally Posted by kenpoprofessor

http://reason.com/blog/2013/01/18/co...-yorks-new-mag

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

The "Hit and Run" blog. How appropriate.

[mrsurfboard]

Originally Posted by 98LS-WON

How many officers are willing to cite someone for violating the 7 round limit? I'd ask any NYPD to take a stand to not enforce it unless it's tacked on to another valid offense that has already been committed. What are the chances of that happening?

Depends on the officer. To quote Capt Ramius from the hunt for red october "We meet the right sort, this will work. We get some... buckaroo"

[ajgranda]

The bottom line is that this law is going to have to have some amendments added to it. There are just too many loop holes. The law was very poorly written.

[Officer X]

Originally Posted by kenpoprofessor

http://reason.com/blog/2013/01/18/co...-yorks-new-mag

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

Blah,blah,blah...I'm right, you're wrong...blah, blah...my opinion beats your years of experience and training...blah,blah...unions bad, cops bad...blah,blah...open carry!...blah, blah...I'm the best employee my boss ever had...blah...cops wrong...blah...open carry!...blah...gun...blah...kenpo...right turn clyde...

[ICARRY2]

Originally Posted by Cochese

None of us in here (the cops) agree with or want a ban. That said, pushing to limit the police to what the moron legislature wants to limit the citizens to... is counterproductive.

The focus should be on stopping unconstitutional legislation or overturning it asap. Not compounding it to LE.

Cochese,

The only problem with repealing or stopping gun control is that it seems like when politicians do pass gun control that affects the police too, the police dont fight the legislation they only fight to get an exemption for themselves.

Once the police do get exempted, you never hear from the police again about how wrong or ineffective the new gun control law is other than places like GT. The police don't lobby our legislature to overturn anything or to support ccw nationwide.

I remember watching a chief on the news testifying before Congress about LEOSA back on 2004 when the law was being considered. The chief thought federal law should allow active/retired leos to ccw nationwide, but it should be up to the states when it comes to private citizens ccw.

I know you and other leos here on GT are very pro-2A, citizen ccw nationwide, but leos as a whole do not fight very often or very hard for citizens gun rights.

I really think if the police in this country became more vocal and publicly supported the 2A everytime some gun grabber introduced ridiculous legislation we would ALL be better off.

Look at the police in NY. They are not fighting the new magazine restriction, they are just trying to get an exemption for themselves.

[DaBigBR]

Originally Posted by ICARRY2

The police don't lobby our legislature to overturn anything or to support ccw nationwide.

That's exactly right. We are not a lobby, we are part of the executive branch of government and engage in law enforcement activities.

[GRIMLET]

However, we do belong to certain LE organizations who look out for our interests.

And I hope all here are petitioning their PBA, FOP, Union or other association to amend LEOSA to include high capacity magazines.

Thanks.


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[msu_grad_121]

Furthermore, ICARRY2, who have you seen on TV speaking about these issues? Universally, it's someone with stars on their lapels. Chiefs, Deputy Chiefs, administrators and obviously Sheriffs are political positions and thereby carry a certain weight with their opinions (no matter how hackneyed they are). Think about the last time you saw Patrol Officer Jones on the news espousing their opinions on national CCW. Why is that? Because the media and those in the higher levels of government don't care about the opinions of peons like us. They rely on our Chief to express our opinions on our behalf. If the opinions expressed don't reflect ours, we don't really have much in the way of recourse, do we?

I dare say the average police officer in this country couldn't care less about high capacity magazines, or if you're carrying a firearm legally. Those in the upper eschelons of police adminsitration care, and their views must align with those of their betters so they can keep their position and advance. Politics, see?

Add to that the very real possibility a department may have a general order or some such directive barring a plain old street cop from expressing personal opinions while representing the department, and you'll never hear what the officer pushing the squad car really thinks.

[kenpoprofessor]

Originally Posted by Officer X

Blah,blah,blah...I'm right, you're wrong...blah, blah...my opinion beats your years of experience and training...blah,blah...unions bad, cops bad...blah,blah...open carry!...blah, blah...I'm the best employee my boss ever had...blah...cops wrong...blah...open carry!...blah...gun...blah...kenpo...right turn clyde...

Tell you what, show me evidence of cops who have been attacked while "OFF DUTY AND IN PLAIN CLOTHES" that's higher than the statistical average of John Q. Public.

Yes, I'm aware of the guys that attack while you're "on duty and in uniform", but that's not what I'm talking about.

You say you want more "special rights" than the average citizen because of your job. Well, show me the evidence of why you "need" them over and above any other citizen.

Until then, you're argruments have been less than persuasive.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

[The Fist Of Goodness]

Originally Posted by kenpoprofessor

Tell you what, show me evidence of cops who have been attacked while "OFF DUTY AND IN PLAIN CLOTHES" that's higher than the statistical average of John Q. Public.

Yes, I'm aware of the guys that attack while you're "on duty and in uniform", but that's not what I'm talking about.

You say you want more "special rights" than the average citizen because of your job. Well, show me the evidence of why you "need" them over and above any other citizen.

Until then, you're argruments have been less than persuasive.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

How about the number of cops "OFF DUTY AND IN PLAIN CLOTHES" that intervene in crimes in progress? That is probably a better statistic to look at.


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[kenpoprofessor]

Originally Posted by The Fist Of Goodness

How about the number of cops "OFF DUTY AND IN PLAIN CLOTHES" that intervene in crimes in progress? That is probably a better statistic to look at.


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Well, are you waiting for something to show evidence of that, but also compared to any normal citizens who have done similar??? Can you empirically demonstrate that it's a higher number??? The caveat being, IN A SHALL ISSUE state, not in CA, NY, or nanny booboo state.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

[Patchman]

Originally Posted by ICARRY2

Cochese,

The only problem with repealing or stopping gun control is that it seems like when politicians do pass gun control that affects the police too, the police dont fight the legislation they only fight to get an exemption for themselves.

Once the police do get exempted, you never hear from the police again about how wrong or ineffective the new gun control law is other than places like GT. The police don't lobby our legislature to overturn anything or to support ccw nationwide.

I remember watching a chief on the news testifying before Congress about LEOSA back on 2004 when the law was being considered. The chief thought federal law should allow active/retired leos to ccw nationwide, but it should be up to the states when it comes to private citizens ccw.

I know you and other leos here on GT are very pro-2A, citizen ccw nationwide, but leos as a whole do not fight very often or very hard for citizens gun rights.

I really think if the police in this country became more vocal and publicly supported the 2A everytime some gun grabber introduced ridiculous legislation we would ALL be better off.

Look at the police in NY. They are not fighting the new magazine restriction, they are just trying to get an exemption for themselves.

Pretty much every industry and profession has their own industry representatives, whose function is to act on behalf of their members.

The AMA acts on behalf of MDs.
SAG acts on behalf of actors.

Right now, there's the AVN Adult Entertainment Expo going on. Their focus is to better the work conditions of their members, not so that every adult in this country can have unfettered access to free adult entertainment.

[kenpoprofessor]

Originally Posted by Patchman

Pretty much every industry and profession has their own industry representatives, whose function is to act on behalf of their members.

The AMA acts on behalf of MDs.
SAG acts on behalf of actors.

Right now, there's the AVN Adult Entertainment Expo going on. Their focus is to better the work conditions of their members, not so that every adult in this country can have unfettered access to free adult entertainment.

I don't believe any of the industries you mentioned are funded with tax payer funds.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde