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Old 01-16-2013, 20:08   #51
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Ok what is the verdict??? I am planning on being in NYC later this month and in February. I am/was planning on carrying my off-duty G27.........

I know NYPD is very friendly towards visiting out-of-state officers. How will they look at the 9-round magazine of my official off-duty/back-up weapon?
Honestly, nobody has even had time to digest and figure this nonsense out. Still, I don't see you a) getting made or having your weapon inspected; b) getting jammed up over that; and c) you're good with a 9rd mag as long as you knock off the top two and keep 'em in your pocket

To wit there's no exception for NY LE even, but I'm not worried about it. For whatever that's worth.


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Ok what is the verdict??? I am planning on being in NYC later this month and in February. I am/was planning on carrying my off-duty G27.........

I know NYPD is very friendly towards visiting out-of-state officers. How will they look at the 9-round magazine of my official off-duty/back-up weapon?
I cannot speak with any authority , but my own interactions with NY LE says you will have LESS of an issue now that before this law was passed. I've heard one or 1/2 dozen of them say "screw this". But hey, you never know. A 9 rd mag will be fine. Unless you did something really outrageously silly (drunk + weapons discharge or weapons display) no one will give two ****s.


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To wit there's no exception for NY LE even, but I'm not worried about it. For whatever that's worth.


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For clarification, Article 265 has NEVER applied to NYS law enforcement officers. That exemption is clearly and specifically articulated in the penal code, in multiple sections.
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:43   #53
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Now here is one stupid ramification of the law:

You flew into NY with your Glock 27 and a spare mag - great. On the way in from GA, TN, MI, FL nobody checks ****.

You see the sights, visit your aunts and cousins, everything is cool, you are covered under HR-218.

On the way out at the airport, you check your gun in. SOP is to have a Port Auth cop (LGA, JFK, EWR) or Westchester Co cop (HPN) verify your ability to POSSESS a handgun. If you have 9 rounds in a 9 round mag...that you are using for transport under FOPA, what the **** are they gonna do? Say the mags should have been downloaded to 7 rounds? Say you need to have the ammo in a cardboard box?

Utter stupidity.
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Old 01-17-2013, 04:37   #54
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After this I won't got into the state on principle alone. I'd wanting to visit NYC at some point but I will not use my money to support a state that will pass this crap.
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Now here is one stupid ramification of the law:

You flew into NY with your Glock 27 and a spare mag - great. On the way in from GA, TN, MI, FL nobody checks ****.

You see the sights, visit your aunts and cousins, everything is cool, you are covered under HR-218.

On the way out at the airport, you check your gun in. SOP is to have a Port Auth cop (LGA, JFK, EWR) or Westchester Co cop (HPN) verify your ability to POSSESS a handgun. If you have 9 rounds in a 9 round mag...that you are using for transport under FOPA, what the **** are they gonna do? Say the mags should have been downloaded to 7 rounds? Say you need to have the ammo in a cardboard box?

Utter stupidity.
Yep, ammo in the box or at least out of the mag. Mags need to be unloaded anyway before checking in - certainly hope anyone, much less LE, carrying knows better than to start clearing their weapon and unloading mags standing at the counter , so # rounds shouldn't be an issue regardless. Still, I concur, I don't see LE getting jammed up over something like this.

I've traveled from HPN and LGA many times w.my BUG and I think only once has PA looked in the case even. Highly doubt any of them are counting rounds even if you arrive w.a loaded mag.

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Yep, ammo in the box or at least out of the mag. Mags need to be unloaded anyway before checking in - certainly hope anyone, much less LE, carrying knows better than to start clearing their weapon and unloading mags standing at the counter , so # rounds shouldn't be an issue regardless. Still, I concur, I don't see LE getting jammed up over something like this.

I've traveled from HPN and LGA many times w.my BUG and I think only once has PA looked in the case even. Highly doubt any of them are counting rounds even if you arrive w.a loaded mag.

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I fly with ammo in mags all the time (ok, for clarity, 1-2x a month). I don't keep the gun and the ammo together, since Delta(?) IIRC requires TWO checked bags if you are flying with guns (one for gun, one for ammo). (it is either delta or some other airline).

My gun is locked with a cable lock thru the open action upon check in, or field stripped in the case.

I have a bud (WC Sgt) who was at HPN. About a week after the elections I got an email from him saying "**** it", he retired (he had the time) and is now somewhere out in PA. I called him after getting the email and he said "Drew, it is only gonna get worse, I have to leave on my terms".

I can't believe how prophetic his words are.
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I figured at least LE would exempt form this crap.
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I am not a cop or a peace officer.
Clearly.

Look up 18USC926B. The requirements set forth for a person to be considered a "qualified law enforcement officer" are what are covered in this thread, not who may or may not "techincally be a peace officer in New York.
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The part that makes no sense to me is the 7 SHot mag limit, Most people have 10 Round mags, what a pain to go and get new mags and what not, most manufactures don't even make seven round mags and I doubt they will want to or be in a hurry to make them for one state. These rules are not going to stop the killing people that want to do this stuff are going to do it.

Try and keep the guns out of the wrong hands I am ok with some parts of the bill but some of it is just makes no sense.
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The part that makes no sense to me is the 7 SHot mag limit, Most people have 10 Round mags, what a pain to go and get new mags and what not, most manufactures don't even make seven round mags and I doubt they will want to or be in a hurry to make them for one state. These rules are not going to stop the killing people that want to do this stuff are going to do it.

Try and keep the guns out of the wrong hands I am ok with some parts of the bill but some of it is just makes no sense.
Lest you overlook, this bill is based on emotion rather than reason. There's very little meritorious in the bill. 7Round limits and mag cap is just asinine. Don't bother discarding your 10rd mags, just load with 7 if you're really concerned about this.


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Clearly.

Look up 18USC926B. The requirements set forth for a person to be considered a "qualified law enforcement officer" are what are covered in this thread, not who may or may not "technically be a peace officer in New York.

Hey, I am married, I don't need to come here to be insulted.

"qualified law enforcement officer" is the wording in LEOSA...but what if your state statute does not have that specific definition? Then you have to look at what HR218 uses to define that term, and to see who in your own state qualifies under the law.

So now I will ask you in a thread about NY's new law....and HR218, what is the extent of your knowledge of who qualifies under HR218 in NY? Because clearly, although you are a police officer SOMEWHERE in the CONUS, it does not make you (or as we are seeing here in NY) any of us, experts at this new serving of crap our legislature has handed us.

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Lest you overlook, this bill is based on emotion rather than reason. There's very little meritorious in the bill. 7Round limits and mag cap is just asinine. Don't bother discarding your 10rd mags, just load with 7 if you're really concerned about this.

Yeah, and buying 10 rd mags is now or will be illegal, but only buying them physically in the state or using the electronica to buy them and have them shipped in state.

So you can saunter down to PA, or VA or FL, or anywhere else that does not give a hoot, legally buy 2 dozen 10 round mags and drive back in state with them.

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Has anyone posted this yet? Can't really blame the FFL's because NY is just itching for a reason to shut them down.

http://www.bob-owens.com/2013/01/oop...d-ny-safe-act/

As he rushed through a draconian gun control law that neither he nor the legislature in New York had time to read before they voted in favor of it and signed it into law, Governor Andrew Cuomo arrogantly said:

“Common sense can win. You can overpower the extremists with intelligence and with reason and with common sense.”

Well, according to a read this morning in the comments of another post, Governor “Common Sense” did not put any obvious law enforcement officer exceptions into his hastily rushed through bill.

As a result, at least one Federal Firearms Licensee has refused to allow police officers who have purchased guns to have the magazines that come with them, because those factory standard magazines hold more than seven rounds. The FFL fears selling the guns he has with the magazines they came with would be breaking the law, even when the purchasers are cops, because there are no clear provisions in the bill allowing a police exception to the ban.

Now, New York’s boys in blue would seem to presumably be exempted by other related statutes, and if they aren’t then one will be quickly hacked together, but this anecdote serves to show the danger of rushing emotionally-driven, politically opportunistic legislation. People are stupid, and are never more stupid than when emotional and irrational.

Governor “Common Sense” Cuomo is a stumbling, bumbling example of the kind of person emotionally unsuited for high office, a fact the flaws in the draconian SAFE Act will show over time as unintended consequences catch up to bad legislation.
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......... you're good with a 9rd mag as long as you knock off the top two and keep 'em in your pocket

To wit there's no exception for NY LE even, but I'm not worried about it. For whatever that's worth.
Yeah, this is how I am interpreting the law, as I read it.

Basically, if it is a 10 round mag, owned prior to the new ban, then it is grandfathered in and is thus legal WITH only 7 rounds. Obviously this would apply, in the immediate sense, to a NY resident. It seems to me that a visiting, out-of-state, off-duty LEO, legally concealed-carrying under LEOSA, is NOT in violation NY state law by being in possession of a 9 round magazine load with only 7 rounds.
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Yeah, this is how I am interpreting the law, as I read it.

Basically, if it is a 10 round mag, owned prior to the new ban, then it is grandfathered in and is thus legal WITH only 7 rounds. Obviously this would apply, in the immediate sense, to a NY resident. It seems to me that a visiting, out-of-state, off-duty LEO, legally concealed-carrying under LEOSA, is NOT in violation NY state law by being in possession of a 9 round magazine load with only 7 rounds.
Correct. Of course if you're out of state bringing a 10rd mag in you're fine regardless of relative date of possession.
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Hmm, read Animal Farm much ? I wasn't going to respond in this thread but............. Seems a lot of you guys are asking for "special rights" over and above the normal citizen, and NY didn't give it to you.

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Ignore the troll.

There is nothing to see here except mature professionals having an informative discussion.

Back to the discussion at hand.........
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Ignore the troll.

There is nothing to see here except mature professionals having an informative discussion.

Back to the discussion at hand.........
Sure, call me a troll, but it's the truth you can't stand to see.

So, what is it that makes you so special? Are you some leader of technology that will change the way the world does things? Or a doctor, that has the cure for any ailment known to mankind? Shouldn't there also be exemptions for "special people" that will change the world in a positive way??

The people that passed Obamacare exempted themselves from it, along with their cohorts in corruption and crime. Was that OK for you too?


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There is nothing to see here except mature professionals having an informative discussion.

Back to the discussion at hand.........

Coupla things...

1. I, along with a few others would take offense at mistakenly characterizing me as "mature" or "professional".


2. Kenpo, geez louise, give it a break. GNG, Carry Issues, the political forum, etc etc...I take a dump in bathrooms, not in the middle of the living room with company over. There are lots of place on GT to vent about crap you (we) don't like. This aint the place (not my words, Eric's).
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Coupla things...

1. I, along with a few others would take offense at mistakenly characterizing me as "mature" or "professional".


2. Kenpo, geez louise, give it a break. GNG, Carry Issues, the political forum, etc etc...I take a dump in bathrooms, not in the middle of the living room with company over. There are lots of place on GT to vent about crap you (we) don't like. This aint the place (not my words, Eric's).
Take it up with the OP, he/she posted it here.

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So, what is it that makes you so special? Are you some leader of technology that will change the way the world does things? Or a doctor, that has the cure for any ailment known to mankind? Shouldn't there also be exemptions for "special people" that will change the world in a positive way??
Well, we're the ones who will run towards fan-hitting ****; you'd rather we be constrained to mag caps just because non-LE is? Try to let go of the immature attitude of 'they can have it I want it too'. It's a horse**** law and it's wrong civilians are subject to it, but LE should be exempt.
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Well, we're the ones who will run towards fan-hitting ****; you'd rather we be constrained to mag caps just because non-LE is? Try to let go of the immature attitude of 'they can have it I want it too'. It's a horse**** law and it's wrong civilians are subject to it, but LE should be exempt.
Seriously, that's what makes you special???? I know at least 20 right now that I could call and they would do the same thing if needed. And most of them are combat vets, but they are not awarded the same "special rights" .

Scraps from the King's table, that's what you're looking for, and guess who'll be enforcing those laws (hint, mirror)?

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Don't you hate it when I can hammer the truth you so despise, and then you resort to name calling. How professional.

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What truth, junior?

You are a loud mouth blowhard who has a twisted idea of how the world works, makes asinine dooshbag self defense YouTube videos and continually picks fights in a police subforum.

Like I give a rats ass about your worthless opinion. Kenpo teacher that looks like he hasn't seen a day of cardio or a shower in three weeks.

Let me make sure I jot down all of your super good advice on life and relevant opinions on LE.

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