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Old 01-24-2013, 06:38   #251
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Yes. They could carry the same as every other citizen, and if it means they carry illegally, then so be it. Equal protection under the law, it's that simple. No extra rights simply because of your job in the public service. That includes judges, mayors, city council, state and house members, etc..

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So basically, you're all for cutting off your nose to spite your face? Kinda like the social experiment that's been done a few times in which survey takers are asked, "if you could take a dollar from a rich person, even though it would not go to you, would you do it?" .....And, overwhelmingly, people say yes.

You hide behind a self-serving (and deeply flawed) interpretation of the Equal Protection Clause, but it's really about your emotions. You'd rather take everybody's toys and go home, even though the net result is you and everybody else would be less safe?
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:50   #252
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He would likely be in favor of removing arrest powers for LE, since that's something else he can't do.
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:51   #253
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I do particularly like the "I'm not anticop, I've got family who are cops" line. Kinda like when a Klan member says, "I'm not racist, I have lots of black friends".
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:39   #254
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How is my argument invalid?

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You use inductive arguments, demand proof of others in debate, but cannot/will not do the same, and expect others to accept it, is not valid...

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And how many other instances were stopped by a normal average joe with a gun??? Can you give me any stats for that in contrast to yours?

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Here is a good example

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You've proven nothing, you've given me examples but no relevant data other than your own experiences. Everyday, hundreds, if not thousands of people use their firearms in self defense.
Proof? Bueller...

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And how many other instances were stopped by a normal average joe with a gun??? Can you give me any stats for that in contrast to yours?

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You have nada, and it would be just as ridiculous if I was chapping you about building codes in an electrical forum.

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And because of my job, I'm much more likely to get electrocuted than the other common citizens.

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Old 01-25-2013, 07:25   #255
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Well this topic sure has gotten derailed, You guys keep feeding into him and he is enjoying it, he has his views and we have ours we should just leave it at that, or we are going to have pages and pages and of non sense and when someone does a google search for this topic they are going to have to weed though all of this crap and miss important info.
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Old 01-25-2013, 16:35   #256
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These guys are just entertaining themselves.
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Old 01-25-2013, 18:07   #257
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These guys are just entertaining themselves.
I guess that explains why he has so much petroleum jelly...
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Old 01-27-2013, 16:59   #258
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http://www.wktv.com/news/local/New-Y...188504611.html

Hope they listen.
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Old 01-27-2013, 23:20   #259
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I doubt Emperor cuomo will listen at all. I'm more inclined to believe he's tossing a hissy fit because mere mortals are questioning him.

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Old 01-28-2013, 03:54   #260
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I doubt they'd listen either. They pushed that law through too quickly. Their intentions are laid out for everyone to see.
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:17   #261
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I'd repeal it under the guise of the 14th amendment. If that means fair to you, take it that way, but it's a clear violation.

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How is it a violation?
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Old 01-29-2013, 16:22   #262
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The libs in New York State play with themselves like most liberals. Cuomo pushed this law so fast into law that the morons did not realize the LEOs in the state needed more rounds in their mags. Yes, 7 rounds did not work for the security of Cuomo or the LEOs of NYS. If the LEOs in NYS need more than seven rounds in theirs I want the same advantage. The bottomline is that the libs realized seven rounds will not work. I quailty under LEOSA/HR218 and if going through the Peoples Republik of New York State will carry 15rds. in my G19. Yes, better to be judged by 12 than be carried by 8. God help the residents of the PRNY.
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:39   #263
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Internet lawyers are fun.

How is it a violation?
I prefer street lawyers.

I haven't read all of Clyde's posts... but I presume it's more of the usual garbage?
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:42   #264
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I haven't read all of Clyde's posts... but I presume it's more of the usual garbage?

That would be very presumptuous of you.

If is a newer, more concentrated version of what he usually produces.
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Old 01-30-2013, 17:01   #265
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I provided a summary on post #254.
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Old 01-30-2013, 17:08   #266
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Internet lawyers are fun.

How is it a violation?
No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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Old 01-30-2013, 17:22   #267
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Internet lawyers are fun.

How is it a violation?
My guess?

Same reason felons can own guns and vote, equal protection under the law!

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Old 01-30-2013, 20:06   #268
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No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
So the private citizen should be able to run plates, arrest on probable cause, detain for reasonable suspicion, kick down doors if he suspects criminal activity, etc.?

Great, call me when I can go home. I've had a long day. Let Joe Blow do my work for a while.
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Old 01-31-2013, 03:57   #269
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Old 01-31-2013, 07:31   #270
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No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
You forgot to cite the Supreme Court case that stands for the interpretation you are proposing.

That's okay. We will wait while you search the internet and find there isn't one.
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Old 01-31-2013, 07:52   #271
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Rather than attempting to interpret subtleties of the law and appropriate law enforcement response, you might want to go back to the safer environs of youtube and okcupid where your level of knowledge and expertise is more commensurate with that of the average poster than cop talk. I don't argue about race cars with Dario Franchitti, because the only thing I know about racing formula cars is what I've read on the internet, I'm just saying.

Have a great gun carrying-learning-about-the law-in-coptalk day!
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:21   #272
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blah blah blah, I'm so cool, blah blah blah, bad cops, blah blah blah, kenpo, blah blah blah...
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I swear I might read one thread in this forum in a month, and this ***** is crapping it up every time. If NY is limited to 7 rounds per mag can we limit him to 7 posts per day?
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:48   #273
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I swear I might read one thread in this forum in a month, and this ***** is crapping it up every time. If NY is limited to 7 rounds per mag can we limit him to 7 posts per day?
See, here you guys are again, calling me names and attacking me for making a point. Isn't that what DemcRATS do???

Argue the point I'm making instead of getting so emotional like a little child in a store getting told no. What's next, the island gonna "tip over" ?? "When you can't win a case on evidence you must attack the witnesses, confuse the jury".

And shame on you for wanting to limit speech when it doesn't fit "your narrative".



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So the private citizen should be able to run plates, arrest on probable cause, detain for reasonable suspicion, kick down doors if he suspects criminal activity, etc.?


Great, call me when I can go home. I've had a long day. Let Joe Blow do my work for a while.
So, show me the court cases where "equal protection" doesn't apply to carrying a gun when no one else is "legally" allowed to do so. I'm in no way referring to the rest of what you referred to, nor did I ever, duhh.

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Old 02-01-2013, 05:05   #274
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See, here you guys are again, calling me names and attacking me for making a point. Isn't that what DemcRATS do???
Who are the "you guys" to whom you refer? Other GT members? Cop Talk posters? Law enforcement officers in general? SLO1911Fan specifically said he only reads in this subform periodically, so it doesn't seem like he necessarily has a horse in this race other than being justifiably sick of reading your drivel.
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Kenpo, are you restricted as to the caliber of weapon that you carry?

Are there handguns that you are specifically prohibited from carrying? I am, by department policy.

My PD's policies do NOT assume that when I am off-duty then I am OFF-duty. Not only is my choice of off-duty handguns limited but I must also qualify with any handgun that I wish to carry; this means that I own handguns that I literally CANNOT carry off-duty. I also do not have the option of "voting" my chief out of office. My hands are tied.

Think about that. This us vs. them mentality that you have is not only silly but it actually is a two-way street.

Have a fun "carry whatever you feel like" day.
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