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Old 01-12-2013, 15:59   #51
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The real issue is whether or not he was wearing his hat.
I can see a felony failure to file paperwork charge if he wasn't wearing the proper hat at the time.

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Old 01-12-2013, 16:04   #52
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No surprise here, generations have been taught that humans are just another animal. There is nothing special about them. in fact they are WORSE than most other animals.

Promoting self loathing is a specialty of the far left.
That may be what they are taught in school, but the Bible says that God gave man domain over all animals.
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Old 01-12-2013, 16:46   #53
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Think about how stupid the average person is. Now consider that half of the people are stupider than that.


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Old 01-12-2013, 16:58   #54
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Let argue it out.

1. Lets assume the animal was in distress and needed to be put down. If an average citizen had seen this animal and shot it and didn't report it to anyone and his friend came and picked it up and drove away with it, what would he be charged with?

2. Lets assume the animal was NOT in distress and DIDN'T need to be put down. If an average citizen had seen this animal and shot it and didn't report it to anyone and his friend came and picked it up and drove away with it, what would he be charged with?
Let me know when the average person is responsible for the safety of the public, and takes an oath to that effect.

Examples -

When does an average citizen respond to a bank robbery?
When does an average citizen take an accident report?
When does an average citizen respond to an active shooter?
When does an average citizen pull over, and arrest, a DUI?


Further, and I've said it before -

You are taking a MEDIA report at face value. The same media that NEVER gets a gun story right, yet because it fits your prejudice, you assume its true. And no, I don't buy the chief's statement, either. Seen firsthand what a chief will say, in order to keep his job. Search for my comments in here concerning McZenzie Mattingly.
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Old 01-12-2013, 17:08   #55
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"I don't see a whole lot of difference between the shooting of this defenseless elk and the shooting of school children in Connecticut," one vigil attendee said. A candlelight vigil on mourned an elk that was shot and killed by a police officer.
About 75 people attended the ceremony and they sang songs including "Amazing Grace" and "We Shall Overcome" in honor of the elk.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...olice-officer/

http://www.dailycamera.com/news/boul...dlelight-vigil
What an ignorant statement. If you really believe this, then you shouldn't have any children.
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Old 01-12-2013, 17:41   #56
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Let me know when the average person is responsible for the safety of the public, and takes an oath to that effect.
They are just as responsible for their own safety as you are for yours.

The police are not legally required to protect and defend.

You have the option of quitting any time you want so you are not personally required to protect and defend.

This means your responsibility is the same as everyone elses.
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Old 01-12-2013, 17:58   #57
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They are just as responsible for their own safety as you are for yours.

The police are not legally required to protect and defend.

You have the option of quitting any time you want so you are not personally required to protect and defend.

This means your responsibility is the same as everyone elses.
Are you really that farking clueless? Do you really believe the drivel coming out of your mouth, or is it just to justify your cop-hating?
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Are you really that farking clueless? Do you really believe the drivel coming out of your mouth, or is it just to justify your cop-hating?
You will find this interesting. I am not a cop hater. I work with them.

And you are defending a person who poached an Elk.

Answer the questions:
1. Lets assume the animal was in distress and needed to be put down. If an average citizen had seen this animal and shot it and didn't report it to anyone and his friend came and picked it up and drove away with it, what would he be charged with?

2. Lets assume the animal was NOT in distress and DIDN'T need to be put down. If an average citizen had seen this animal and shot it and didn't report it to anyone and his friend came and picked it up and drove away with it, what would he be charged with?

This is not about
bank robbery?
accident report?
active shooter?
pull over, and arrest, a DUI?

This is about shooting an animal inside the city limits.
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Old 01-13-2013, 08:10   #59
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You will find this interesting. I am not a cop hater. I work with them.

And you are defending a person who poached an Elk.

Answer the questions:
1. Lets assume the animal was in distress and needed to be put down. If an average citizen had seen this animal and shot it and didn't report it to anyone and his friend came and picked it up and drove away with it, what would he be charged with?

2. Lets assume the animal was NOT in distress and DIDN'T need to be put down. If an average citizen had seen this animal and shot it and didn't report it to anyone and his friend came and picked it up and drove away with it, what would he be charged with?

This is not about
bank robbery?
accident report?
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pull over, and arrest, a DUI?

This is about shooting an animal inside the city limits.
So, I take it there is no hunting at all in city limits? Not even with archery.

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Is the Elk the same as a child? Of course not.
I had Elk sausage for breakfast. New Mexico kind.

If the cop shot the injured Elk to be humane then that is one thing.

How ever if the Cop shot the Elk with out reason. Meaning he shot that 270+ class elk because it was the biggest Elk he had seen, then he needs to be prosecuted. Pay his fines and loose his job.
Posing with the Elk was stupid.
Allegedly having the carcass processed was also stupid if it was for personal consumption. Having it processed and donated to the local homeless shelter is another story.

His cop buddy who allegedly helped him should also be fined if he helped him commite an illegal act. Re. The disposal of a poached elk.
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Old 01-13-2013, 12:09   #61
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Big problem now is since this is the People's Republic of Boulder, it goes beyond a legal issue. Any normal resolution of the situation under PD policy and procedure in conjunction with DNR regulations is now obscured by the fog of Boulder politics and heavy duty political correctness.
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Old 01-13-2013, 13:04   #62
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This is about shooting an animal inside the city limits.
What do "City Limits" have do do with it?

It was "good shoot" or it wasn't. All kinds of wild critters get shot in City limits around here, no different than in the County in general.
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So, I take it there is no hunting at all in city limits? Not even with archery.

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That is my understanding, but not the issue on the table for this guy.
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What do "City Limits" have do do with it?

It was "good shoot" or it wasn't. All kinds of wild critters get shot in City limits around here, no different than in the County in general.
The laws are on the books to keep people from just shooting a gun in the city.

Based on what you are saying I should be able to target shoot in my back yard as long as no one is hurt?
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Old 01-13-2013, 14:25   #65
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The laws are on the books to keep people from just shooting a gun in the city.

Based on what you are saying I should be able to target shoot in my back yard as long as no one is hurt?
We have people in the city limits of the nearby town who do just that.

Our PD and SO also have an outdoor range that is in city limits.

You need to get outside the little box you are in.

You have too many pre-conceived notions.

Cougars, bears, injured deer and an occasional elk are shot in the city here quite often.
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Obama said if he had an Elk, it would look like that.
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Man writes ballad for elk & to question the judgment of cops

'Ballad of Big Boy': Boulder musician records song in honor of Mapleton elk
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Let argue it out.

1. Lets assume the animal was in distress and needed to be put down. If an average citizen had seen this animal and shot it and didn't report it to anyone and his friend came and picked it up and drove away with it, what would he be charged with?
So the average citizen would call...the police...hey, problem solved.

Do you think the police need to call the fire department when they do it?
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Did it get tested for CWD, BSE, and whatever else Boulder elk are carrying these days?
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It disgusts me to my very core that someone would compare the murder of a child to the killing of animal. I despise hippy liberal ****** nozzles like that.

But.... Judging by the news article (which is something I hesitate to) with no other real proof of anything.....

Seems to me the cop shot the elk because it was huge, and simply because he wanted to as a "trophy". It probably did have a limp, which he thought would justify his actions if he got caught. And if so, actions should be taken for any and all laws broken, and any department policies violated.

We're allowed to shoot SERIOUSLY injured animals to end their suffering, vicious animals that are presenting an immediate threat or very large animals that are causing a serious, immediate threat to public safety. I shot a cow once that kept darting into traffic on the highway which had already caused a wreck, for example. We also have the go ahead to shoot coyotes when we come across them, as long as we can make a safe, clear.shot. Well, a handful of us have that allowance.

I think the officer did a stupid thing....... not as stupid as a vigil for a f#$@#*% elk, though.
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So the average citizen would call...the police...hey, problem solved.

Do you think the police need to call the fire department when they do it?
Don't side step the question. Answer it.

What would the average citizen be charged with?
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I think the officer did a stupid thing....... not as stupid as a vigil for a f#$@#*% elk, though.
Hopefully these people are just making a stink so this doesn't get swept under the carpet, but my guess is they are morons also.
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What should have been clear to anyone who read the initial accounts, these officers (one of whom is a taxidermist) conspired to poach a six point bull under the guise of official duty. A trophy bull taken illegally invokes the Samson Law which includes a $10,000 fine.



Boulder DA charges officers in elk shooting

BOULDER, Colo. – Two police officers involved in the shooting of an elk in a Boulder neighborhood on New Year’s Day will face numerous charges including unlawful taking of an elk, misconduct and conspiracy.

Warrants were issued for the arrest of officers Bren Curnow and Sam Carter. Both turned themselves in Friday morning and are out on a $20,000 bond, police said.

If convicted, they could face prison time and loss of their official police certification.
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What should have been clear to anyone who read the initial accounts, these officers (one of whom is a taxidermist) conspired to poach a six point bull under the guise of official duty. A trophy bull taken illegally invokes the Samson Law which includes a $10,000 fine.
Things are usually NOT clear from initial accounts in the media that essentially consist of a bunch of liberal morons from a liberal area with no police training or experience dropping significant judgment on police activities.

There's a reason we conduct our own investigations, as was done here, and don't send the media to do it for us.
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What should have been clear to anyone who read the initial accounts, these officers (one of whom is a taxidermist) conspired to poach a six point bull under the guise of official duty. A trophy bull taken illegally invokes the Samson Law which includes a $10,000 fine.



Boulder DA charges officers in elk shooting

BOULDER, Colo. – Two police officers involved in the shooting of an elk in a Boulder neighborhood on New Year’s Day will face numerous charges including unlawful taking of an elk, misconduct and conspiracy.

Warrants were issued for the arrest of officers Bren Curnow and Sam Carter. Both turned themselves in Friday morning and are out on a $20,000 bond, police said.

If convicted, they could face prison time and loss of their official police certification.
Well then, what should be immediately clear to anyone who reads or listens to the media is: guns are bad and only cops should have them.


Oh, wait....that's not what you meant, is it?
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