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Old 01-10-2013, 21:55   #26
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I think your screen name has gone to your head, your highness.

I am glad you have never made a bad decision in your life. don't forget to flush your throne when you are finished posting.

Seriously, I don't care about your opinion, you just misrepresented the facts is all.
What is your problem? Seriously. I thought I had a chip on my shoulder lately, you have the Grand Canyon on yours.
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Old 01-10-2013, 22:01   #27
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I live very close to the ocean and still have a house on the ocean. I see it every year. We lose tourists. They don't drown over a dog, they don't drown over a Frisbee or a beach ball, the die because they don't respect the ocean. If a kid goes after a Frisbee and the family drowns trying to save the kid, we don't say "Family drowns trying to save Frisbee".
As you have said, you have started 2 different threads on this topic in "The Lounge" and have been excoriated each time.

I would say you still have that chip up there.
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Old 01-11-2013, 04:18   #28
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I live very close to the ocean and still have a house on the ocean. I see it every year. We lose tourists. They don't drown over a dog, they don't drown over a Frisbee or a beach ball, the die because they don't respect the ocean. If a kid goes after a Frisbee and the family drowns trying to save the kid, we don't say "Family drowns trying to save Frisbee".
As you have said, you have started 2 different threads on this topic in "The Lounge" and have been excoriated each time.

I would say you still have that chip up there.
So, you live in California? The articles I read didn't mention tourism. Though, if these people were tourists, it makes it even more disturbing. It would indicate that the candle vigil cumbaya folks for Elks have expanded drastically.
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Old 01-11-2013, 18:28   #29
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So, you live in California? The articles I read didn't mention tourism. Though, if these people were tourists, it makes it even more disturbing. It would indicate that the candle vigil cumbaya folks for Elks have expanded drastically.
Hey, "Mr. Jumptoconclusions" it appears as though your geography education is a little short. there is more than one State with beaches on the Pacific ocean.

Get a map some day.
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If a guy dies trying to save a pet, it probably meant that he thought he could save the pet without dying. I'm sure he was not thinking that the pet's life was worth the same as that of his own.
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What happened to the rack? And the meat?? I may hold a candlelight vigil if it all went to waste.
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Two things.
1. The vigil was stupid..

2. I am unconvinced the animal needed to be put down til I recieve more info.

We do it after an accident, but a neighborhoods adopted mascot was shot for limping???
I will wait till all factors are examined but that looked to be quite a trophy...

were any police reports made, what is the protocol?
Boulder PD has been quoted as saying the Officer did not file a report on the incident, did not notify a Supervisor nor did he inform DOW. I do not know that any of these are Policy but I would bet they are.

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/01/0...aced-on-leave/

Beckner’s complete letter to residents is as follows:

Dear Members of the Public,
We share your concern regarding the elk that was killed in the Mapleton Hill neighborhood on Tuesday, Jan. 1, 2013. We take the situation very seriously and would like you to know that there are two separate investigations underway to determine the facts and details of this incident.

Background
Two Boulder police officers were involved; one was on duty and the other was off duty. According to the on-duty officer, he was patrolling the Mapleton Hill area when he saw the elk. He said the elk was limping and that it appeared to be injured. In his judgment, he believed the elk needed to be humanely euthanized. The officer dispatched the elk with one shot from his shotgun and called another off-duty officer to come pick up the elk carcass. The off-duty officer took the elk in his own vehicle to process the meat for personal use.

Investigations
The first investigation is a criminal investigation which is being conducted by the Colorado Division of Parks and Wildlife (CDPW). The CDPW’s investigation will focus on whether a crime was committed by the officers. The Boulder Police Department is cooperating fully with wildlife officials and cannot comment on the agency’s investigation. Questions should be directed to CDPW.

The second investigation is an internal personnel investigation being conducted by the Boulder Police Department’s Professional Standards Unit (internal affairs). This type of investigation is standard procedure when an officer is accused of wrongdoing or of not following policies. In this case it appears that the officers involved did not follow standard procedures in alerting police dispatch, contacting a supervisor about how to deal with the injured elk or following up with a written incident report. We will also be awaiting the outcome of the criminal investigation before reaching any conclusions. This could take several weeks to complete.

Both officers are entitled to due process in the course of the investigation, which is required by contract and policy. Once the internal investigation is completed, the information is forwarded to the employee’s chain of command for review and recommendations to the Chief of Police. After this review, the report is reviewed by a panel made up of both citizens and sworn officers who also make recommendations to the Chief. The Chief of Police will make the final decision as to the disposition of the case and whether disciplinary measures may be appropriate.

The Boulder Police Department conducts thorough personnel investigations, and they can take several weeks to complete.

We appreciate your concern about this matter and can assure you that it is receiving serious attention and investigation as outlined above.

Very truly,
Mark Beckner, Chief of Police


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You want tip keep asn elk for a pet, put a collar amd a name tag on it so he won't be mistaken fired a wild animal.

How the hell is the cop supposed to know this elk had loved ones in the neighborhood.

Maybe I'm missing some details, on my phone, didn't read the article yet

Offer an apology and some fresh elk streaks and move on.

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Old 01-12-2013, 10:23   #36
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You want tip keep asn elk for a pet, put a collar amd a name tag on it so he won't be mistaken fired a wild animal.

How the hell is the cop supposed to know this elk had loved ones in the neighborhood.

Maybe I'm missing some details, on my phone, didn't read the article yet

Offer an apology and some fresh elk streaks and move on.

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Let me sum up for you.

The Elk is in a residential neighborhood. THE CITY.
The officer shot it in the front yard of a house.
The home owner call the cops on the cop saying shots fired in my front yard, killing a neighborhood Elk.
Another officer pulled up and drug the Elk across the sidewalk into a truck.
The animal was not tagged.
The reports were not made to the official orgs if it was a legitimate animal hit by car or having an issue.

The cop should be fired.
The cop should be charged with discharging a firearm inside the city limits.
The cop should be charged with poaching.
The cops should be charged with trespassing. (If he was doing his job he can walk anywhere, but trespassing seem correct being that he was committing a felony.)
The vehicle should be confiscated.

This should all get pleaded out so it doesn't go to court.
10K fine.
Vehicle belongs to the state.
Felony on the record because this jackass is too stupid to own a gun.
And several years of probation and community service explaining why he is a moron.


BTW, Remember this moron when an officer tries to set himself/herself above everyone else. The police are people too. For every great guy that is a police officer there is also a moron who made it through all the selection process and will make the profession look bad. And for every dirtbag that you bust there is a nice law abiding citizen who you will never see in the back of your squad car.
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And thats what is wrong with America, we let idiots roam free and even breed.
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Let me sum up for you.

The Elk is in a residential neighborhood. THE CITY.
The officer shot it in the front yard of a house.
The home owner call the cops on the cop saying shots fired in my front yard, killing a neighborhood Elk.
Another officer pulled up and drug the Elk across the sidewalk into a truck.
The animal was not tagged.
The reports were not made to the official orgs if it was a legitimate animal hit by car or having an issue.

The cop should be fired.
The cop should be charged with discharging a firearm inside the city limits.
The cop should be charged with poaching.
The cops should be charged with trespassing. (If he was doing his job he can walk anywhere, but trespassing seem correct being that he was committing a felony.)
The vehicle should be confiscated.

This should all get pleaded out so it doesn't go to court.
10K fine.
Vehicle belongs to the state.
Felony on the record because this jackass is too stupid to own a gun.
And several years of probation and community service explaining why he is a moron.


BTW, Remember this moron when an officer tries to set himself/herself above everyone else. The police are people too. For every great guy that is a police officer there is also a moron who made it through all the selection process and will make the profession look bad. And for every dirtbag that you bust there is a nice law abiding citizen who you will never see in the back of your squad car.

I'm sure.


I'll try this approach -

Cops see elk acting strangely.

Officer decides to put elk down, because an 800+ animal acting erratically is definitely a public safety concern. (I retrieved a deer put down in a similar fashion recently).

Elk is shot by officer (doesn't make a damn bit of difference WHERE it was shot - take that trespassing and shove it)

Now, I don't know what the law is on notifying DNR or whatever the state agency is called in CO. I "do" know, from picking up dead deer for the last 5-6 years, two things:

1 - Conservation officers are usually busy, if they even answer the phone. I call one regularly to "check" in the roadkill I pick up. I usually leave a voice mail, and if he has questions, he'll call me back. So, even if DNR is required to be notified, who's to say they answered the ****ing phone?! Should the officers just allow a problem elk to continue running around?

As far as the cop who came to get it? I'm on a list with certain folks to pick up deer, including a number of beat officers and a conservation officer. You'd rather the large beastie lie dead and rotting in someone's yard? That's just stupid - and a waste of meat.

2 - Police are most certainly allowed to put down deer that have been inured, are acting in a manner that is dangerous, etc. The last deer I picked up, I posted here about. It was in "da hood", and trying to bust in windows, kick people, and generally make a nuisance of itself. Thankfully, it was a doe that weighed about 100 pounds before field dressing. I don't wanna think about what would've happened if it had been a pissed off bull elk weighing in at 8X that amount, or more, with a rather large set of antlers. Perhaps you're OK with a bull elk rampaging thru your area, and totaling your car. If so, hopefully, the next one can be directed to your house.

4 - Elk are food. Either to people or to wolves/coyotes/whatever. Not people. Candlelight vigils for food are stupid, and only stupid people attend them.

Given that the residents of Boulder are described by most who know as flaming liberal idiots, and actually held a candlelight vigil for food....I'm gonna guess that nothing untoward actually happened, and that the chief launched an investigation to appease the public, as admin pukes are wont to do.

Felony, my ass.


Lastly, if police/law enforcement officers are no different than ordinary folks - STOP SAYING WE SHOULD BE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD!!!!!


We either ARE the same, in which case the same penalties and privileges apply - or, we are different somehow. But, I'll be ****ed if some morons out there think they can have it both ways. If I'm going to be held to a higher ****ing standard, I damn well get to do things that normal folks don't. It don't go both ways.
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I'm sure.


I'll try this approach -

Cops see elk acting strangely.

Officer decides to put elk down, because an 800+ animal acting erratically is definitely a public safety concern. (I retrieved a deer put down in a similar fashion recently).

Elk is shot by officer (doesn't make a damn bit of difference WHERE it was shot - take that trespassing and shove it)

Now, I don't know what the law is on notifying DNR or whatever the state agency is called in CO. I "do" know, from picking up dead deer for the last 5-6 years, two things:

1 - Conservation officers are usually busy, if they even answer the phone. I call one regularly to "check" in the roadkill I pick up. I usually leave a voice mail, and if he has questions, he'll call me back. So, even if DNR is required to be notified, who's to say they answered the ****ing phone?! Should the officers just allow a problem elk to continue running around?

As far as the cop who came to get it? I'm on a list with certain folks to pick up deer, including a number of beat officers and a conservation officer. You'd rather the large beastie lie dead and rotting in someone's yard? That's just stupid - and a waste of meat.

2 - Police are most certainly allowed to put down deer that have been inured, are acting in a manner that is dangerous, etc. The last deer I picked up, I posted here about. It was in "da hood", and trying to bust in windows, kick people, and generally make a nuisance of itself. Thankfully, it was a doe that weighed about 100 pounds before field dressing. I don't wanna think about what would've happened if it had been a pissed off bull elk weighing in at 8X that amount, or more, with a rather large set of antlers. Perhaps you're OK with a bull elk rampaging thru your area, and totaling your car. If so, hopefully, the next one can be directed to your house.

4 - Elk are food. Either to people or to wolves/coyotes/whatever. Not people. Candlelight vigils for food are stupid, and only stupid people attend them.

Given that the residents of Boulder are described by most who know as flaming liberal idiots, and actually held a candlelight vigil for food....I'm gonna guess that nothing untoward actually happened, and that the chief launched an investigation to appease the public, as admin pukes are wont to do.

Felony, my ass.


Lastly, if police/law enforcement officers are no different than ordinary folks - STOP SAYING WE SHOULD BE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD!!!!!


We either ARE the same, in which case the same penalties and privileges apply - or, we are different somehow. But, I'll be ****ed if some morons out there think they can have it both ways. If I'm going to be held to a higher ****ing standard, I damn well get to do things that normal folks don't. It don't go both ways.
Thanks, Wes. You put it much better than I could!
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Cops see elk acting strangely.

Officer decides to put elk down, because an 800+ animal acting erratically is definitely a public safety concern.
If he had called it in, that would be the end of it, but he didn't.

(If it turns out the media has not reported him calling it in, then that is a different story.)

As far as saying someone should be held to a higher standard, I don't. I say the privileges should be the same because people are people.
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I'm sure.


I'll try this approach -

Cops see elk acting strangely.

Officer decides to put elk down, because an 800+ animal acting erratically is definitely a public safety concern. (I retrieved a deer put down in a similar fashion recently).

Elk is shot by officer (doesn't make a damn bit of difference WHERE it was shot - take that trespassing and shove it)

Now, I don't know what the law is on notifying DNR or whatever the state agency is called in CO. I "do" know, from picking up dead deer for the last 5-6 years, two things:

1 - Conservation officers are usually busy, if they even answer the phone. I call one regularly to "check" in the roadkill I pick up. I usually leave a voice mail, and if he has questions, he'll call me back. So, even if DNR is required to be notified, who's to say they answered the ****ing phone?! Should the officers just allow a problem elk to continue running around?

As far as the cop who came to get it? I'm on a list with certain folks to pick up deer, including a number of beat officers and a conservation officer. You'd rather the large beastie lie dead and rotting in someone's yard? That's just stupid - and a waste of meat.

2 - Police are most certainly allowed to put down deer that have been inured, are acting in a manner that is dangerous, etc. The last deer I picked up, I posted here about. It was in "da hood", and trying to bust in windows, kick people, and generally make a nuisance of itself. Thankfully, it was a doe that weighed about 100 pounds before field dressing. I don't wanna think about what would've happened if it had been a pissed off bull elk weighing in at 8X that amount, or more, with a rather large set of antlers. Perhaps you're OK with a bull elk rampaging thru your area, and totaling your car. If so, hopefully, the next one can be directed to your house.

4 - Elk are food. Either to people or to wolves/coyotes/whatever. Not people. Candlelight vigils for food are stupid, and only stupid people attend them.

Given that the residents of Boulder are described by most who know as flaming liberal idiots, and actually held a candlelight vigil for food....I'm gonna guess that nothing untoward actually happened, and that the chief launched an investigation to appease the public, as admin pukes are wont to do.

Felony, my ass.


Lastly, if police/law enforcement officers are no different than ordinary folks - STOP SAYING WE SHOULD BE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD!!!!!


We either ARE the same, in which case the same penalties and privileges apply - or, we are different somehow. But, I'll be ****ed if some morons out there think they can have it both ways. If I'm going to be held to a higher ****ing standard, I damn well get to do things that normal folks don't. It don't go both ways.



We are different you know that.

I have issues with no report being done if it was agency policy

We have a situation where a lazy cop, not admin pricks caused the problem.

Now no matter how right he was if he did not follow policy people will point fingers and cry fowl.. Because a guy was too lazy to do the job correctly.
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For whtever reason it was done, the way it was handled, overall, just shows plain, old, piss-poor judgement.
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I think your screen name has gone to your head, your highness.

I am glad you have never made a bad decision in your life. don't forget to flush your throne when you are finished posting.

Seriously, I don't care about your opinion, you just misrepresented the facts is all.


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Let me sum up for you.

The Elk is in a residential neighborhood. THE CITY.
The officer shot it in the front yard of a house.
The home owner call the cops on the cop saying shots fired in my front yard, killing a neighborhood Elk.
Another officer pulled up and drug the Elk across the sidewalk into a truck.
The animal was not tagged.
The reports were not made to the official orgs if it was a legitimate animal hit by car or having an issue.

The cop should be fired.
The cop should be charged with discharging a firearm inside the city limits.
The cop should be charged with poaching.
The cops should be charged with trespassing. (If he was doing his job he can walk anywhere, but trespassing seem correct being that he was committing a felony.)
The vehicle should be confiscated.

This should all get pleaded out so it doesn't go to court.
10K fine.
Vehicle belongs to the state.
Felony on the record because this jackass is too stupid to own a gun.
And several years of probation and community service explaining why he is a moron.


BTW, Remember this moron when an officer tries to set himself/herself above everyone else. The police are people too. For every great guy that is a police officer there is also a moron who made it through all the selection process and will make the profession look bad. And for every dirtbag that you bust there is a nice law abiding citizen who you will never see in the back of your squad car.


You have an injured 800+lb wild ****ing animal running around a city neighborhood and you want to charge the cop with several felonies for humanely putting it down? Seriously? Is your head up your ass for the warmth?

Lets just have this going on in the neighborhood because some liberal jerk off decided to call the 800+lb dangerous wild animal a pet named Elmo.

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Let me sum up for you.

The Elk is in a residential neighborhood. THE CITY.
The officer shot it in the front yard of a house.
The home owner call the cops on the cop saying shots fired in my front yard, killing a neighborhood Elk.
Another officer pulled up and drug the Elk across the sidewalk into a truck.
The animal was not tagged.
The reports were not made to the official orgs if it was a legitimate animal hit by car or having an issue.

The cop should be fired.
The cop should be charged with discharging a firearm inside the city limits.
The cop should be charged with poaching.
The cops should be charged with trespassing. (If he was doing his job he can walk anywhere, but trespassing seem correct being that he was committing a felony.)
The vehicle should be confiscated.

This should all get pleaded out so it doesn't go to court.
10K fine.
Vehicle belongs to the state.
Felony on the record because this jackass is too stupid to own a gun.
And several years of probation and community service explaining why he is a moron.


BTW, Remember this moron when an officer tries to set himself/herself above everyone else. The police are people too. For every great guy that is a police officer there is also a moron who made it through all the selection process and will make the profession look bad. And for every dirtbag that you bust there is a nice law abiding citizen who you will never see in the back of your squad car.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize you'd been arrested before...

No elk steaks for you.

Randy

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You have an injured 800+lb wild ****ing animal running around a city neighborhood and you want to charge the cop with several felonies for humanely putting it down? Seriously? Is your head up your ass for the warmth?
You have a reading comprehension problem or have you not read the article and done additional searches.

Here lets make it easy for you.

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If he had called it in, that would be the end of it, but he didn't.

(If it turns out the media has not reported him calling it in, then that is a different story.)

As far as saying someone should be held to a higher standard, I don't. I say the privileges should be the same because people are people.
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I'm sure.


I'll try this approach -

Cops see elk acting strangely.

Officer decides to put elk down, because an 800+ animal acting erratically is definitely a public safety concern. (I retrieved a deer put down in a similar fashion recently).

Elk is shot by officer (doesn't make a damn bit of difference WHERE it was shot - take that trespassing and shove it)

Now, I don't know what the law is on notifying DNR or whatever the state agency is called in CO. I "do" know, from picking up dead deer for the last 5-6 years, two things:

1 - Conservation officers are usually busy, if they even answer the phone. I call one regularly to "check" in the roadkill I pick up. I usually leave a voice mail, and if he has questions, he'll call me back. So, even if DNR is required to be notified, who's to say they answered the ****ing phone?! Should the officers just allow a problem elk to continue running around?

As far as the cop who came to get it? I'm on a list with certain folks to pick up deer, including a number of beat officers and a conservation officer. You'd rather the large beastie lie dead and rotting in someone's yard? That's just stupid - and a waste of meat.

2 - Police are most certainly allowed to put down deer that have been inured, are acting in a manner that is dangerous, etc. The last deer I picked up, I posted here about. It was in "da hood", and trying to bust in windows, kick people, and generally make a nuisance of itself. Thankfully, it was a doe that weighed about 100 pounds before field dressing. I don't wanna think about what would've happened if it had been a pissed off bull elk weighing in at 8X that amount, or more, with a rather large set of antlers. Perhaps you're OK with a bull elk rampaging thru your area, and totaling your car. If so, hopefully, the next one can be directed to your house.

4 - Elk are food. Either to people or to wolves/coyotes/whatever. Not people. Candlelight vigils for food are stupid, and only stupid people attend them.

Given that the residents of Boulder are described by most who know as flaming liberal idiots, and actually held a candlelight vigil for food....I'm gonna guess that nothing untoward actually happened, and that the chief launched an investigation to appease the public, as admin pukes are wont to do.

Felony, my ass.


Lastly, if police/law enforcement officers are no different than ordinary folks - STOP SAYING WE SHOULD BE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD!!!!!


We either ARE the same, in which case the same penalties and privileges apply - or, we are different somehow. But, I'll be ****ed if some morons out there think they can have it both ways. If I'm going to be held to a higher ****ing standard, I damn well get to do things that normal folks don't. It don't go both ways.


YOU, however get all the elk steaks you want.

Randy
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Old 01-12-2013, 15:26   #47
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So because the officer poorly handled it with his department, the animal was no longer dangerous and he should be fired and charged with several felonies? Alright, glad we're on the same page.
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So because the officer poorly handled it with his department, the animal was no longer dangerous and he should be fired and charged with several felonies? Alright, glad we're on the same page.
Let argue it out.

1. Lets assume the animal was in distress and needed to be put down. If an average citizen had seen this animal and shot it and didn't report it to anyone and his friend came and picked it up and drove away with it, what would he be charged with?

2. Lets assume the animal was NOT in distress and DIDN'T need to be put down. If an average citizen had seen this animal and shot it and didn't report it to anyone and his friend came and picked it up and drove away with it, what would he be charged with?
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So because the officer poorly handled it with his department, the animal was no longer dangerous and he should be fired and charged with several felonies? Alright, glad we're on the same page.
The real issue is whether or not he was wearing his hat.
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The real issue is whether or not he was wearing his hat.
I thought it was if he had an appointment.
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