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Old 06-16-2012, 11:23   #1
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Gun ban coming to a town near you....

Can anyone confirm or deny this? And please cite references, not emotionally driven dismissives such as " that could never happen", or such.

http://www.infowars.com/obama-seeks-...ontrol-treaty/
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Old 06-16-2012, 11:37   #2
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Really?

You like to get your "news" from the folks who write for Conspiracy Planet & Occupy Corporatism?

Have you bothered to actually read the proposed UN treaty the many times links to it have been posted in various "the sky is falling" threads?
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Old 06-16-2012, 11:42   #3
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The NRA-ILA webpage on that topic doesn't mention such details as are mentioned in the article, but I have every confidence it's entirely possible.

It's crucial we help elect a strong, pro-2A congress this November, or it's going to be a rough ride.
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Old 06-16-2012, 11:53   #4
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Uh, this UN small arms treaty has been talked about for quite awhile now. What it's exact effects would be are a little murky but the treaty itself is nothing new or secretive. I don't think some of the points in the article are correct (like it "bans" semi-autos) but I could be wrong.

But regardless, it's not going to happen.

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Old 06-16-2012, 11:54   #5
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According to the American Rifleman, another letter signed by some 57 Senators was sent to the Obozo administration warning it not to try to make any anti gun treaties with the UN.

We do need to remain vigilant and vote for pro 2nd Amendment Representatives, Senators, governors and judges but I do think there is a lot of distrust of the UN by a large majority of the US and not just on 2nd Amendment issues.

It's hard to view the UN as anything but a world wide platform for dictators and other third world scumbags to inflict their views on more civilized nations. Don
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Seems like fairly biased and one sided news reporting to me!
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Old 06-16-2012, 12:00   #7
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Really?

You like to get your "news" from the folks who write for Conspiracy Planet & Occupy Corporatism?

Have you bothered to actually read the proposed UN treaty the many times links to it have been posted in various "the sky is falling" threads?
Apparently you didn't see the portion of my post where I asked to refrain from "emotionally driven dismissives", or you don't know what that means.

Nevertheless, I like to get my information from anywhere there's something to be gained, and if I'm not sure of the veracity, I like to post it on sites where I trust the discernment level by certain inviduals.

If you don't have anything to constructive to add, with sources to cite, then don't complain when they come a knockin'.
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Here's a story from Forbes saying about the same thing, maybe coming from a more "reputable' site might lend some credibility to those suffering normalcy bias to a blinding degree:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybel...rs-up-in-arms/
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Old 06-16-2012, 12:12   #9
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Obama can sign a UN gun ban treaty all he wants - it has zero legal weight until ratified by congress, which will not happen.
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Apparently you didn't see the portion of my post where I asked to refrain from "emotionally driven dismissives", or you don't know what that means.
I didn't consider my response to be anything remotely resembling an "emotionally driven dismissive". I have neither an "emotional investment" in the topic, nor did I dismiss the topic itself.



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Nevertheless, I like to get my information from anywhere there's something to be gained, and if I'm not sure of the veracity, I like to post it on sites where I trust the discernment level by certain inviduals.
How do you decide whether there's "something to be gained" from any particular source? Some "news sources" might not have the veracity of the supermarket tabloids, you know.

Also, how do you determine the "discernment level" of anonymous folks who participate in internet forums? Sometimes shared hysteria, paranoia & promoting rumor-mongering may be less than helpful. Rumors fly faster than the speed of reason.

If you take the time to do some online research, you can find some info which might quell some of your anxieties. You might start with the NRA's info ...
http://www.nraila.org/legislation/fe...de-treaty.aspx

Notice the part about the "prepares to draft" for later this year?


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If you don't have anything to constructive to add, with sources to cite, then don't complain when they come a knockin'.
I've heard any number of folks stridently predicting "they're coming for our guns!!!" since I was a teenager after the gun control act in '68. After 40 years, it's palled a bit.

Granted, some of the fear-mongering being bandied about may provide some folks with a vicarious thrill (as can detailed discussions about preparing to repel an invasion by hostile non-terrestrial alien forces), but until some proposed treaty is finalized and the details are released, it's just another uptick in the last 40 years of periodic "the sky is falling" episodes.

I spent a career in LE, working in CA, but talking with cops from all over the US, and from some foreign countries.

Maybe we ought to wait and see if there's anything to get excited about before running to the bunkers?
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Old 06-16-2012, 12:53   #11
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Gun ban coming to a town near you....

No, it's not!
Not in Texas, not in a million years.
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So nothing can happen until the Obama and the Democrat Senate approve it.

You don't see any problem with this possibility do you.
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Gun ban coming to a town near you....

No, it's not!
Not in Texas, not in a million years.
Just like the gun ban of 1994 didn't effect Texas.
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So nothing can happen until the Obama and the Democrat Senate approve it.

You don't see any problem with this possibility do you.
As I'm looking 60 years of age in the face, I've come to find that looking for problems out on the horizon, over which I have no control, and which have yet to materialize in any concrete form, can sometimes make me miss the ones right in front of me.
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Just like the gun ban of 1994 didn't effect Texas.
Zing!!!!!
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(1) The US has not signed the treaty.
(2) The treaty regulates international shipment of firearms, not possession of arms by private parties.
(3) Even a signed treaty has to be ratified, which will generate a huge amount of public debate.
(4) Treaties cannot supersede the US Constitution even if ratified. The Supreme Court has spoken clearly on this in Reid v Covert.

Try snopes.com?

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Old 06-16-2012, 15:19   #17
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Obama can sign a UN gun ban treaty all he wants - it has zero legal weight until ratified by congress, which will not happen.
Treaties only have to be ratified by the Senate, and don't be so cocky about what a lame duck Senate filled with bitter defeated Dems might do after the election.
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As I'm looking 60 years of age in the face, I've come to find that looking for problems out on the horizon, over which I have no control, and which have yet to materialize in any concrete form, can sometimes make me miss the ones right in front of me.


I'm 73 and I've learned to ignore the possible worst case make you more eligible for it.
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For anyone to deny that a gun ban or outright gun confiscation isn't possible, is to be naive and to ignore this nation's history.

I personally think we pro-gun/pro-2A folks are going about this in the wrong way. Rather than to hope and pray that the clown in the office doesn't find a workaround to thwart Congress and make guns illegal, 2 things would be more effective:

1. All LEOs should join and support Oathkeepers. and;
2. We as a community should draft a letter to Congress that lets them know in no uncertain terms that we consider our RTKBA to be one of the unalianable rights endowed by our Creator, and thus we will not recognize any legislation or UN treaty that attempts to take away that right.

Let Congress know that they can change the laws all they want, but unless they're willing to engage in some epic bloodshed, it aint happening!

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Maybe we ought to wait and see if there's anything to get excited about before running to the bunkers?
Isn't that a little like waiting for the intruder in your livingroom to actually pull his trigger before you decide if he's serious or not?
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It's crucial we help elect a strong, pro-2A congress this November, or it's going to be a rough ride.
No, it's going to be a REVOLUTION!



It has happened before - and it could happen again!


BE READY FOR IT!


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Gun ban coming to a town near you....

No, it's not!
Not in Texas, not in a million years.


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What is the rule?

"Prepare for the worst, hope for the best".
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I'm 73 and I've learned to ignore the possible worst case make you more eligible for it.
I can understand your use of "ignoring a worst case scenario might make you more eligible for it" ... in some situations. Health issues come to mind. Driving. Over-filling the bathtub. Not checking hot cookware before grabbing it.

Asteroids slamming into us? Not so much.

Gotta be a middle ground where it benefits us to pay attention to possibilities, but doesn't create unnecessary fear & stress or stops us from functioning normally in the rest of our lives, right?

I'm not suggesting this treaty project effort be ignored. Just not becoming the "gun legislation" equivalent of a hypochondriac about such things. It's not going to happen "overnight". We can slow our roll a bit, and make sure we pay attention to any other potential hazards along the way.

Keeping informed isn't the same thing as reacting to every rumor, hyperbole and "ratings" grabbing, newspaper or magazine selling distortions and innuendo about something which hasn't even reached the meeting stage and produced some working language. Details will become available as (if) it advances and starts to take form. How's our participation in the Kyoto Accords doing?

The US sells a lot of arms.

Waiting, watching, remaining informed ... but neither running around dodging imaginary things someone shouts are falling from the sky, nor buying our heads in the sand, are probably reasonable courses of action.

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Isn't that a little like waiting for the intruder in your livingroom to actually pull his trigger before you decide if he's serious or not?
Not even in the slightest.

Would you recommend sitting in your living room with a loaded gun, waiting for an armed intruder that may come along and select your house, just because some tabloid or "news source" said that you could be the next victim of some armed robber? Of course not (I'd hope not, anyway).

Remaining aware and informed of world (and local) events which might have an effect on your life is a different thing than over-reacting before there's reason to react, or something to react to.

Thee are any number of asteroids which pass close to our planet, you know.

I remember being scared they were going to come and take my guns back in the 70's. Everybody was saying so (but the hue & cry couldn't spread at the speed of the internet back then).

40 years later, I'm still waiting ...
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What is the rule?

"Prepare for the worst, hope for the best".
Well, the corollary to that maxim (or rule) is to prepare within reason, and as is practical for the situation and resources available.

Sometimes when things are stated in an over-simplified manner they can lose their relevance. Situational context is a prudent consideration at times.
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