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Old 01-05-2013, 20:22   #1
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US armed forces oath of enlistment

According to the US armed forces oath of enlistment (which is outlined here: http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joini...thofenlist.htm), if our government legislates either via congress or executive order to confiscate firearms, is it not the duty of the armed forces to defend the citizens against the government?

"I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

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Old 01-05-2013, 22:08   #2
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The "obey the orders" is the trick bag.
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Old 01-05-2013, 22:32   #3
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Also remember the Posse Comitatus Act and how it applies to each service...
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Old 01-05-2013, 22:58   #4
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Hmmm...I could have sworn that when I took the oath there was a mention of "lawful orders" and not just "order" alone.
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Old 01-05-2013, 23:15   #5
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Interesting differences between enlisted and officer's oath. I was a Navy officer.

I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
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Old 01-05-2013, 23:16   #6
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Hmmm...I could have sworn that when I took the oath there was a mention of "lawful orders" and not just "order" alone.
Kinda how I remember it as well.

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Being that Obummer is NOT a U.S. citizen he is therefore NOT the president.

Besides, if it comes down to using our guns to defend our Constitution, it would behoove all military and LE to take our side and not his. There are 150 MILLION gun owners in America. Even if 1% of them take up arms against our treasonous government, there would be a MINIMUM of 1.5 million guns pointed at these traitors.

And what if NON-gun owners get involved and borrow a gun from a friend, neighbor, relative, etc.? Most gun owners own more than one... We could be talking about two to three million armed patriots!

That's a comforting thought.


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Old 01-05-2013, 23:25   #8
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Being that Obummer is NOT a U.S. citizen he is therefore NOT the president.
Even if he was born in Kenya or where ever, since his mother is a US citizen... isn't he?
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Even if he was born in Kenya or where ever, since his mother is a US citizen... isn't he?
By the definition from 1790, yes, he is.
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Being that Obummer is NOT a U.S. citizen he is therefore NOT the president.

Besides, if it comes down to using our guns to defend our Constitution, it would behoove all military and LE to take our side and not his. There are 150 MILLION gun owners in America. Even if 1% of them take up arms against our treasonous government, there would be a MINIMUM of 1.5 million guns pointed at these traitors.

And what if NON-gun owners get involved and borrow a gun from a friend, neighbor, relative, etc.? Most gun owners own more than one... We could be talking about two to three million armed patriots!

That's a comforting thought.


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Yeah the guy is the POTUS rather I want it or not and rather you accept it or not
I don't accept it.....and never will


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Old 01-06-2013, 01:22   #13
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There is no trick to this...You don't follow illegal orders, no matter who gives them.

Its the individuals responsibility to refuse to obey illegal orders.

Its the Militias responsibility to protect The People from our standing military and Government. (wow! is that why the 2nd Amendment states that a Militia is necessary for a Free State?!)

Those who love to nit pick the wording and phraseology just to justify to themselves why they or someone else should comply with illegal orders....you're disgusting.
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The "obey the orders" is the trick bag.
You're right, we only defend the United States and the Constitution against foreign and domestic enemies...UNLESS the president or our superiors tell us not to...

What the hell are you thinking...

I sincerely hope you're not a service-member.
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According to the US armed forces oath of enlistment (which is outlined here: http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joini...thofenlist.htm), if our government legislates either via congress or executive order to confiscate firearms, is it not the duty of the armed forces to defend the citizens against the government?

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The UCMJ states "lawful orders" repeatedly.
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Lawful orders depend on the interpretation of the Courts, when it comes to the U.S. Constitution, it depends on the Supreme Court. Weren't there some staff changes recently?

And who will decide which orders are lawful to follow? The soldier before his court martial?
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The "obey the orders" is the trick bag.
However those orders must be legal. I have spoken to a number of military personnel (mostly officers) asking them if they believed the military would carry out any orders issued by the president to confiscate privately owned firearms. They said that some would but most would not because it would be a violation of their oath AND an illegal order.
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So if you wanted to mail big O a pictures of say your bare ass mooning him, you would mail to what address? 1600 something I think
just because he lives there doesn't mean he deserves to.

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So, who is going to be the test case? Most would just follow the order the decision augmented by the info given to the troops. Will this info be complete or spun. I'm just saying y'all are putting an awful lot of faith in folks. What about the German soldiers ordered to imprison and kill their fellow countrymen? What makes them different from us? Were they manipulated by propaganda from their media? Naw, that couldn't happen here, right. I mean our media has a proven track record of unbiased reporting. No wait, reverse that. I just take human nature with a grain of salt. I feel safer that way. Don't fully trust a vast majority of people.
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".... according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

I would believe this is the real trick, if they conflict the UCMJ & the REGS ... no dice for me.

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