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Old 01-03-2013, 08:47   #1
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Is this Chief of Police PC, or is this a good idea?

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Phoenix officers retaking oaths of office


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Posted on January 3, 2013 at 6:38 AM

PHOENIX (AP) -- Some Phoenix police officers will retake their oaths of office Thursday as part of a new policy by Police Chief Daniel Garcia that's aimed at reminding officers of their responsibility to the community.

Members of the police department ranging from the police chief to rank-and-file officers have to take the oath every January.

When taking the oath, officers swear to support the laws and Constitution and defend against all enemies.

Some officers feel it's not necessary for them to reaffirm their commitment to protect the city.
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Old 01-03-2013, 08:51   #2
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I like the idea. Unfortunately, just taking the oath every year still doesn't guarantee those officers will ever understand what their promising.
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Old 01-03-2013, 09:01   #3
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Old 01-03-2013, 09:02   #4
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sure, it adds leverage for when theyre fired for not doing so. i mean they swore the oath every year and still did or did not do......xyz.....removes their excuses.

kinda like the pledge of allegence....
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For over 20 years I redid my oath about every 2+ years. My local County does it every year or two for all that work at the Courts and S.O.

IMHO not a bad thing.
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That phrase 'defend against all enemies' may take on a new meaning one day...
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That phrase 'defend against all enemies' may take on a new meaning one day...
only if the people who vote for the change let it happen.
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Hey, the Chief's the appointing authority, and ought to be able to decide what's desirable and appropriate for the sworn staff employed.

Lots of folks like to renew marriage vows, right?

Oaths (& vows, affirmations, etc) may be meaningful to some folks ... and just repeated words to others.

People have often liked to create rituals around some aspects of our behavior.

I'd do it without reservation, and it would have the same deeply personal meaning for me each time.
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As a deputy of a constitutional officer, I swear a new oath every year. This is nothing out of the ordinary for me. We even have a deputy clerk available on new year's day available for this, and typically our senior judge will make himself available at 12:01 to swear in all new county officers (deputies, elected officials, etc). It's a pretty good party.
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Hmmm... if done strictly for ceremony and you don't enforce the point of doing it and understanding what you are saying, you are just wasting time.

I have a copy of the "Code of Ethics" taped to the back of my clipboard that I use when I fill out forms in the field. I always have it on me and sometimes, in the middle of the night, I sit in the car and flip that clipboard over and read over the Code of Ethics just to remind myself what this is all about. It gives me inspiration to get through some tough shifts... or more commonly... long boring shifts.
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Old 01-04-2013, 18:38   #11
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Seems like a good idea to me.
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So do the off duty guys get OT for coming in to swear in? Does the chief join them?
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Old 01-04-2013, 19:10   #13
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So do the off duty guys get OT for coming in to swear in? Does the chief join them?
I was just going to ask that. I'll do almost anything for overtime.
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According to the story, the annual oath is not a requirement.

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Members of the police department ranging from the police chief to rank-and-file officers will have the opportunity to take the oath every January.
Emphasis added. i.e. it's voluntary. No overtime as a result I would assume.
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It seems pointless unless they actualy abide by it. Then of course they should be doing that anyway.

Reminds me of a now retired deputy chief who went off to an ethics seminar and came back with a copywrited CD of class materials. He had the IT guy for our department burn a copy for everyone Sgt. and above.
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Reminds me of a now retired deputy chief who went off to an ethics seminar and came back with a copywrited CD of class materials. He had the IT guy for our department burn a copy for everyone Sgt. and above.


Naturally . . . I shouldn't laugh as I have had copyrighted materials of mine pirated before, but still . . .
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It seems pointless unless they actualy abide by it. Then of course they should be doing that anyway.

Reminds me of a now retired deputy chief who went off to an ethics seminar and came back with a copywrited CD of class materials. He had the IT guy for our department burn a copy for everyone Sgt. and above.
Kind of like the former sergeant who showed up 20 minutes late to teach ethics at FTO Update school, then lied to the coordinator that traffic was heavy.
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