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Old 01-03-2013, 05:54   #1
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Belleville cops booted from Denny's for toting guns

http://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/c...f18b38948.html

Yes, they're talking about the standard side arm and the police were on duty on lunch break. They had their badges on their belts or neck chains outside their shirts.
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Old 01-03-2013, 05:57   #2
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Denny's has quite a rep w/cops if I recall...lol
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Old 01-03-2013, 06:20   #3
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I understand not wanting to create a scene, however if the detectives had simply refused to get up and leave I wonder what would have happened. Would they have called the police?
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Old 01-03-2013, 06:23   #4
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IMO, Hoplophobia should be declared a legitimate mental illness. Depending on the severity of the "disease", it can be disabling to the "patient", and interfere with the daily lives of others. Those are two of the criteria that help to define a condition as a mental illness. There are huge numbers of people who become mentally incapacitated at the mere sight of or mention of a firearm. They lose their ability to make reasonable decisions, and are gripped by an irrational fear. They are likely to call the police, which then interferes with the life of the gun owner. Very often, even when the police contact the "patient" with the news that the "complainee" is legally well within the law, the response is a horrified "But he has a GUN!

IMO people like that are really ill and need treatment.
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Old 01-03-2013, 06:35   #5
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I wonder if the officers were black. Denny's never did like black people.

May 25, 1994 – Denny's, a national restaurant chain, agreed today to pay more than $54 million to settle lawsuits filed by thousands of black customers who ...

www.nytimes.com/1994/05/25/us/denny-s-restaurants-to-pay-54-million-in-race-bias-suits.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
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Old 01-03-2013, 06:42   #6
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Old 01-03-2013, 07:10   #7
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Brb, I have a Denny's to rob
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Old 01-03-2013, 07:16   #8
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Open Carry would not have helped in this situation.

Seriously, people need to get a clue. If an armed gunman is about to go on a rampage, asking the guy at Denny's to ask them to leave would be the last thing to do.
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Old 01-03-2013, 07:20   #9
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private property owner's rights. they did not call for public assistance from the police. they did not deny service to the police, just denied them the abiility to carry a gun on their property for non work related service.

is it stupid? yep. is it right? yep.
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http://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/c...f18b38948.html

Yes, they're talking about the standard side arm and the police were on duty on lunch break. They had their badges on their belts or neck chains outside their shirts.
A Denny's in what, America's 3rd most dangerous city? Yep, kicking out the polcie was a good idea. If I was an officer there, I'd never set foot in a Denny's again. I'm sure St. Louis has plenty of other 24 hour restaurants.

Here, 24 hour places make an effort to attract the police. Common sense.
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A Denny's in what, America's 3rd most dangerous city? Yep, kicking out the polcie was a good idea. If I was an officer there, I'd never set foot in a Denny's again. I'm sure St. Louis has plenty of other 24 hour restaurants.

Here, 24 hour places make an effort to attract the police. Common sense.
God, I wish more cops thought like you. Do you know how annoying it is to be a drunken ******* at 4AM at Denny's with your friends when a bunch of fuzz at the tail end of the graveyard shift are sitting down to eat a few tables down?

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A Denny's in what, America's 3rd most dangerous city? Yep, kicking out the polcie was a good idea. If I was an officer there, I'd never set foot in a Denny's again. I'm sure St. Louis has plenty of other 24 hour restaurants.

Here, 24 hour places make an effort to attract the police. Common sense.

Belleville, IL, is no where near the 3rd most dangerous city in the country. You must be thinking of East St Louis.
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Old 01-03-2013, 07:36   #13
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Here, 24 hour places make an effort to attract the police. Common sense.
Here too. If I were a police officer in that city, and I got a call from that location, I would probably take my sweet time getting there. Once I arrived, I would probably stand outside and tell them I can't enter with my service weapon so you're going to have to get me permission in writing before I do. By the way, there goes a perp shooting up your restaurant".

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private property owner's rights. they did not call for public assistance from the police. they did not deny service to the police, just denied them the abiility to carry a gun on their property for non work related service.

is it stupid? yep. is it right? yep.
I am not familiar with the statutes there but I suspect that in any of several states the statutory authority of police to carry guns trumps the private property owner's rights.
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I am not familiar with the statutes there but I suspect that in any of several states the statutory authority of police to carry guns trumps the private property owner's rights.
Unless the police are there regarding a call for service/investigation, you would be most likely be wrong. Being a police officer is not a "protected class" and a business can/should be able to refuse service to them for being armed or any other reason.

That being said, I agree with Bren, it's stupid of them to do so.
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Open Carry would not have helped in this situation.

Seriously, people need to get a clue. If an armed gunman is about to go on a rampage, asking the guy at Denny's to ask them to leave would be the last thing to do.
I got escorted out of a Dennys and detained for a couple hours for open carrying. It's always interesting when you can see that you're telling the officers things they didn't know about the laws they are supposed to be enforcing. Some of 'em know alot. And you wonder how some of them even managed to get their shoes on the right feet.
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I am not familiar with the statutes there but I suspect that in any of several states the statutory authority of police to carry guns trumps the private property owner's rights.

Not necessarily. It depends on if they were responding to a call or working in some other official capacity.
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when i lived in Va. before ccw in a place that served booze was legal i had to open carry in a restuarant named Pargo's in Manassas (manasty for the locals).

medium story cut short, its their business, my money, we didnt agree.
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Unless the police are there regarding a call for service/investigation, you would be most likely be wrong. Being a police officer is not a "protected class" and a business can/should be able to refuse service to them for being armed or any other reason.

That being said, I agree with Bren, it's stupid of them to do so.
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Not necessarily. It depends on if they were responding to a call or working in some other official capacity.

I can tell you here with certainty that they may be able to deny the officers service as they are not a protected class but they could neither refuse them entry nor mandate that the not carry their guns, in uniform or not. Police authority here does not stem from responding to a call. Oddly, or perhaps not, the legislature seems to have reserved that perogative for themselves.
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I like the line where they got up to leave refusing to pay for their meal.

I wonder what would happen if a "normal person" was asked to leave because of creating a disturbance and refused to pay for their meal. As far as creating a disturbance, it said that other patrons complained, so it was a disturbance.
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Belleville, IL, is no where near the 3rd most dangerous city in the country. You must be thinking of East St Louis.
Isn't Belleville about 15 minutes south of E StL?
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I like the line where they got up to leave refusing to pay for their meal.

I wonder what would happen if a "normal person" was asked to leave because of creating a disturbance and refused to pay for their meal. As far as creating a disturbance, it said that other patrons complained, so it was a disturbance.
So then you agree that when police get a man with a gun call they should respond and identify the individual, because after all someone thought it was disturbing...


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You shouldn't have any problems at that one
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I can tell you here with certainty that they may be able to deny the officers service as they are not a protected class but they could neither refuse them entry nor mandate that the not carry their guns, in uniform or not. Police authority here does not stem from responding to a call. Oddly, or perhaps not, the legislature seems to have reserved that perogative for themselves.

Can you give specifics? Like codes, statutes, or ordinances? I'm just curious as to how you arrive at your certainty. I'm not being argumentative, just curious.
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So then you agree that when police get a man with a gun call they should respond and identify the individual, because after all someone thought it was disturbing...


If not you are a hypocrite.
oh snap, the double standard exposed....two shea my good man, two shea.
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