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Old 08-01-2012, 17:46   #1
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Which AK to buy???

After researching AKs on AK47world. Com, I don't know what AK to buy? They rag on WASR AKs which I understand but they also aren't impressed with Arsensal AKs which are pricey. Any recommendations?
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Old 08-01-2012, 18:39   #2
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What are you using it for? I'm very happy with my yugo m70. For $400 it's a great truck gun


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Old 08-01-2012, 18:54   #3
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From Tennessee Guns (TGI), they have .223 & 5.45 Saiga's converted by Delta Arms. TGI also has AMD-65 AKs built on Hungarian Feg receivers.

Century Arms also has converted 7.62X39 Saiga's for less than $600. They are also offering several versions of the Yugo Zastava PAP AKs.

Inter-Ordnance (Royal Tiger Imports) has a selection of Polish, Bulgarian and Romanian rifles. While on the rather pricey side, they also have Polish Beryl's.

I'm rather fond of the real Arsenal rifles made in Bulgaria. Even the Century Arms Yugo under-folder has been quite a bit of fun, if not brutal on the shoulder and cheek during firing. I'd love to get another Egyptian Maadi or milled Mak-90. There's so many AKs to choose from now days it's crazy.
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Old 08-01-2012, 18:56   #4
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I would do some research other than AK47world.com.
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Old 08-01-2012, 19:13   #5
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Don't know what your preferences are or your price range so it's hard to give an opinion. I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination but I just recently picked an AK balanced by price and features. After researching for a while I landed on the M&M M. It's new from the standpoint of parts. It's made by Cugir and M&M adds and does whatever finishing touches as I understand it. It has a number of features that are desirable: hammer forged chrome lined bbl, tapco stock, hogue grip, akm rear sight which is adjustable for windage, they install shims on the inside of the receiver to take the place of the dimples (reduces mag wobble), Tapco G2 trigger, M&M flash hider, M&M quad rail. These features and parts may or may not be desirable to many but work for me. YMMV. They run in the range of mid $500 to low $600's now. The reviews on this model have been solid. I have no range report as of yet but the construction is decent. Just throwin' out options. If you're not an AK purist, these may be of interest.

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct1103.aspx
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Old 08-01-2012, 19:21   #6
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Don't know what your preferences are or your price range so it's hard to give an opinion. I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination but I just recently picked an AK balanced by price and features. After researching for a while I landed on the M&M M. It's new from the standpoint of parts. It's made by Cugir and M&M adds and does whatever finishing touches as I understand it. It has a number of features that are desirable: hammer forged chrome lined bbl, tapco stock, hogue grip, akm rear sight which is adjustable for windage, they install shims on the inside of the receiver to take the place of the dimples (reduces mag wobble), Tapco G2 trigger, M&M flash hider, M&M quad rail. These features and parts may or may not be desirable to many but work for me. YMMV. They run in the range of mid $500 to low $600's now. The reviews on this model have been solid. I have no range report as of yet but the construction is decent. Just throwin' out options. If you're not an AK purist, these may be of interest.

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct1103.aspx
+1 got this one from Buds Guns.
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Old 08-01-2012, 19:35   #7
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AMD65 is the best deal in the AK world right now.
They have an original barrel and FEG receiver and can be had for as little as ~$440.
If you don't want an AMD65 then I'd say that converting a Saiga is the next best deal.

If you have more money to spend then take a gander at Arsenals, they are mighty fine rifles.
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Old 08-01-2012, 19:46   #8
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Yugo M70, all the way, money well invested because they're built like tanks.
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Old 08-01-2012, 20:44   #9
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By now; whatever you can find that you can afford.
Yugo #1 IMHO. I have a Century M70AB2 U/F from a few years back, with a para-wrap on the straight-line U/F - it feels better to shoot than any of my other AKs. It would be the last AK I'd ever get rid of.

WASR #2 so you have money left over for ammo.
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Old 08-01-2012, 20:49   #10
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Are WASRs cheap where you guys are?
They are a solid $100 more than an AMD65 in my area, making them a poor buy.
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Old 08-02-2012, 18:11   #11
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Yugo M70, all the way, money well invested because they're built like tanks.
Disclaimer about this one...if you can get one of the M70s CAI made a few years ago, absolutely. If it's the new M70 PAP buyer be ware. CAI imports them as a single stack rifle. They modify the mag well so it takes double stack mags, but leave the single stack bolt. It's a shame because they have new barrels and are made in the Zastava factory, but I wouldn't buy one.
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Old 08-02-2012, 18:31   #12
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Disclaimer about this one...if you can get one of the M70s CAI made a few years ago, absolutely. If it's the new M70 PAP buyer be ware. CAI imports them as a single stack rifle. They modify the mag well so it takes double stack mags, but leave the single stack bolt. It's a shame because they have new barrels and are made in the Zastava factory, but I wouldn't buy one.
New to AKs. Does the single stack bolt cause issues with double stack mags? What are the issues?
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Old 08-02-2012, 20:11   #13
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People rag on the WASR because they think its the trendy thing to do. There is nothing wong with a WASR as long as you take 10 to 15 seconds to look it over. I have been buying AK variants since the 1980's and I can tell you that all these kit guns that everbody fusses over are nothing special.

I wouldnt buy a WASR online (unseen) but thats my only reservation.
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Old 08-02-2012, 20:17   #14
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Yugo M70AB2 underfolder... Stock folded out is as sturdy as a wood stock when shooting it and fold it up and you can shoot it as a pistol. It will fit in a backpack too.

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Old 08-03-2012, 05:40   #15
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People rag on the WASR because they think its the trendy thing to do. There is nothing wong with a WASR as long as you take 10 to 15 seconds to look it over. I have been buying AK variants since the 1980's and I can tell you that all these kit guns that everbody fusses over are nothing special.

I wouldnt buy a WASR online (unseen) but thats my only reservation.
Yep! Counting the Draco, I have 4 WASRs and all are serviceable, arsenal-made AKMs on the Russian pattern.
Pay attention to world news and you'll see a ton of Romy AKMs in use in the world hotspots - they were the main puppet arms supplier for the then-Soviet Union.
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New to AKs. Does the single stack bolt cause issues with double stack mags? What are the issues?
They may not feed correctly. The bottom of the bolt face is not as low or as wide as the double stack bolt. This prevents it from stripping the rounds out of the mag correctly.

This is what I have found on my limited research on this topic.
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Old 08-04-2012, 08:50   #18
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Century has been doing some converted saiga aks for a decent price...If I had $599 burning a hole in my pocket I'd prob pick one up... But I have a couple of aks already
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Are WASRs cheap where you guys are?
They are a solid $100 more than an AMD65 in my area, making them a poor buy.
mine was 400 with 4 mags.

there are deals out there, but as the supply dries up, the prices rise.
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They may not feed correctly. The bottom of the bolt face is not as low or as wide as the double stack bolt. This prevents it from stripping the rounds out of the mag correctly.

This is what I have found on my limited research on this topic.
This is correct. Century has put a lot of effort into making them work, but my question is for how long? There is a reason double stack bolts are made thicker. When buying an AK, I want something that is built like a beast. Something I never have to worry about.
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+1 got this one from Buds Guns.
How much range time have you had with it?
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Usually these types of threads are dominated by "Buy an Arsenal." Nice to see some other ideas tossed out for discussion.

But I'd still lean towards "Buy an Arsenal." Sure, cost more, but worth it in my opinion, for quality and features, especially with the WASR's going up in price lately. But you can't spend more if you don't have more, so good to know all your options.

Bud's guns has 'em a little cheaper, so look around, but I've bought a couple guns direct from K-var and have been happy with them. Here's a link. http://www.k-var.com/shop/AK-Rifles-and-Shotguns.html

P.S. And Saiga is definitely highly recommended in general. Good high quality guns to start with, and Arsenal does a good job in the conversion process.
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Usually these types of threads are dominated by "Buy an Arsenal." Nice to see some other ideas tossed out for discussion.

But I'd still lean towards "Buy an Arsenal." Sure, cost more, but worth it in my opinion, for quality and features, especially with the WASR's going up in price lately. But you can't spend more if you don't have more, so good to know all your options.

Bud's guns has 'em a little cheaper, so look around, but I've bought a couple guns direct from K-var and have been happy with them. Here's a link. http://www.k-var.com/shop/AK-Rifles-and-Shotguns.html

P.S. And Saiga is definitely highly recommended in general. Good high quality guns to start with, and Arsenal does a good job in the conversion process.
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Romanian GP WASR 10/63 are fine. The thing about canter sights is from people who feel they need to justify their expensive AK. If.you just want to go plinking and have fun, they are fine. If you want a safe queen, get an +$800 expensive AK.

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Romanian GP WASR 10/63 are fine. The thing about canter sights is from people who feel they need to justify their expensive AK. If.you just want to go plinking and have fun, they are fine. If you want a safe queen, get an +$800 expensive AK.

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The thing about canted sights is that a large amount of early WASRs had them and some of the 10/63s do too. It used to be pretty common and is still something that should be checked before you buy. Of course, it's your money, so if you want a rifle with canted sights then don't bother checking it.

Expensive rifles =/= safe queens. I've got a couple pricey rifles and they get a good amount of range, depending on how much their ammo costs.
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