[JimBean]

http://articles.dailypress.com/2012-...murder-charges

What are your thoughts?

[AK_Stick]

Seems to offer alot of down sides and very little up.

[CAcop]

Taser requires 8 hours per year refresher training for their LE models. Thier non LE models are 4 hours initial training IIRC. Failure to update=liability.

They are also not the wonder guns Taser portays them to be. I have personally seen someone pull a dart out of their face while juice is flowing through their body.

There are also practical issues in regards to armed subjects. Even the newest models are a two shot weapon. Then you need disarm the person.

Tasers would would work wonders on school fights though. Plug in Little Johnny and he'll stop fighting Little Jimmy. Of course mommy and daddy will sue....

[dango]

Never bring a taser to a gun fight .....!

[JimBean]

I am not saying this is a perfect alternative. A handgun is far more atractive for defense, but I don't see that becoming an option in most schools anytime soon.

[AK_Stick]

And you honestly see tasers as a realistic choice then?

[Bren]

Originally Posted by JimBean

I am not saying this is a perfect alternative. A handgun is far more atractive for defense, but I don't see that becoming an option in most schools anytime soon.

People who are afraid of guns are afraid of Tasers.

People who are afraid of guns are ineffective with tasers because they are also afraid confrontation and violence. Guns are the only possible weapon that might help them and even that is doubtful. The average teacher/social worker type is not a victim because he doesn't have a gun - he doesn't have a gun because he's a victim.

[dango]

(GUN FREE ZONE)-If I were a nut ball or criminal , just what is this telling me ? If only a lie , post (THIS AREA HIGHLY PROTECTED BY ARMED GUARD) ! At least it might make me not go there !

IT IS INSANE TO POST "YES , I AM DEFENCELESS"
Hell , just pass out T-shirts with Bulls-eyes !!

Ask for trouble and guess what ?

[flw]

With all our "Victim Zones" labeled for the true nut cases to find, a taser is 100% better than a sharp pencil. That's all the principle had it had to use but had to use her body instead to no avail.

[NEOH212]

Originally Posted by JimBean

What are your thoughts?

It's akin to bringing a knife to a gunfight.

[NEOH212]

Originally Posted by AK_Stick

Seems to offer alot of down sides and very little up.

[countrygun]

Tasers are n alternative option for highly trained law enforcement organizations who also have the option of dealy force readily available. Not only does the operator have to be trained in the actual deployment but also in physically controlling the suspect and cuffing after the "tasing". It is impractical to expect teachers to be able to train to that level nor is it reasonable to expect them to repeatedly tase an individual until LEs arrive. With the surprisingly high failure rate (you never hear much about that, but my local LE agencies are shying away due to the fact that limited numbers and distant backup have made their use problematic for a solo officer no matter how well trained.

They have found that it isn't a "magic wand"

[TX Proud]

As a teacher, I would be much more likely to "light up" a student than I would ever be to even let my students know I was armed.

Wait, I want one!

[Rabbi]

Tasers have entered the mythos and fabric of our society. Hell, as an LEO you can have someone at gun point and they are likely to say "dont tase me!"

I dont think that is, overall a good thing. One of the problem with the perasiveness of less lethal weapons is, the bad guys are starting to shift from thinking you will kill them to you will cause some level of *ouch* and the people who use them think they can confront life or death situations without having to kill someone.

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt. You need some people to know(fear) you will apply force that may kill them. Some people need to realize that sometimes, using force less than a force that is likely to kill is a mistake.

Dont bring a taser to a gunfight.

[JimBean]

Alright I see that most so far do not consider this an option.

[Rabbi]

Originally Posted by countrygun

Tasers are n alternative option for highly trained law enforcement organizations who also have the option of dealy force readily available. Not only does the operator have to be trained in the actual deployment but also in physically controlling the suspect and cuffing after the "tasing". It is impractical to expect teachers to be able to train to that level nor is it reasonable to expect them to repeatedly tase an individual until LEs arrive. With the surprisingly high failure rate (you never hear much about that, but my local LE agencies are shying away due to the fact that limited numbers and distant backup have made their use problematic for a solo officer no matter how well trained.

They have found that it isn't a "magic wand"

That is another very important aspect. When I tase someone, I know what to do with them next and I have the tools, training and experience to do it.

What is 65 year old teacher going to do? Keep tasing him (as funny as that sounds) or run like hell only to still have the same exact problem start up in a few seconds.

Tasers dont always solve the long term problem (whatever you tased them for) they provide (most of the time) a time bridge where the unwanted action stops for a small amount of time. If you dont use that time to implement a permanent solution to the unwanted actions, you still have a serious problem.

[JimBean]

Originally Posted by Rabbi

That is another very important aspect. When I tase someone, I know what to do with them next and I have the tools, training and experience to do it.

What is 65 year old teacher going to do? Keep tasing him (as funny as that sounds) or run like hell only to still have the same exact problem start up in a few seconds.

Tasers dont always solve the long term problem (whatever you tased them for) they provide (most of the time) a time bridge where the unwanted action stops for a small amount of time. If you dont use that time to implement a permanent solution to the unwanted actions, you still have a serious problem.

The 65 year old teacher continually tasing the perp would be pretty funny.

[TX Proud]

Originally Posted by JimBean

The 65 year old teacher continually tasing the perp would be pretty funny.

get the football team to "take care" or him or her.

[countrygun]

Originally Posted by JimBean

The 65 year old teacher continually tasing the perp would be pretty funny.

Yah, but if a "solo" officer did that with a physically large Perp, until backup arrived, can't you just see the lawyers getting ahold of it and calling it "torture". Another liability issue to think of. I promise eve a homicidal dingbats lawyer would pull that out.

It is funny though. Remember the NCIS episode when Abbey gets kidnapped in the van?

[dango]

Originally Posted by TX Proud

As a teacher, I would be much more likely to "light up" a student than I would ever be to even let my students know I was armed.

Wait, I want one!

To blatantly display your TASER is one thing ! CC , the carrying of a concealed weapon is exactly that , CONCEALED , no one should know. Should also not be considered with out proper training and time spent. Not everybody should carry.

Also , good luck with a taser and body armor !

The people with the real blood on their hands are the one's who impose these so called GUN FREE ZONES so publicly !

[mj9mm]

Originally Posted by dango

Never bring a taser to a gun fight .....!

don't tell me you are serious about protecting my children, and the come up short like that. if it is a secondary option after a firearm then ok

[ray9898]

A Taser is going to do nothing to solve the problem. Without the means to overpower and detain the suspect while incapacitated it is nothing but a time out.

[Ohio Copper]

Originally Posted by CAcop

Taser requires 8 hours per year refresher training for their LE models. Thier non LE models are 4 hours initial training IIRC. Failure to update=liability.

They are also not the wonder guns Taser portays them to be. I have personally seen someone pull a dart out of their face while juice is flowing through their body.

There are also practical issues in regards to armed subjects. Even the newest models are a two shot weapon. Then you need disarm the person.

Tasers would would work wonders on school fights though. Plug in Little Johnny and he'll stop fighting Little Jimmy. Of course mommy and daddy will sue....

This number one.

Number two: never bring a taser to a gunfight.

[jp3975]

Are you guys serious?

"A taser will do nothing because it temporarily incapacitates them."

You guys dont think that a temporarily incapacitated person could...I dont know, maybe have someone take their gun from them?

If you had the choice of being unarmed or having a taser, which do you choose?

Its a no-brainer.

If you're worried about training...hell, cops are on the state dime. Let teachers sit in on a class who want to carry a taser, or even have a special class for them. How hard would it be for pd to drop by and teach for a few hours once a semester or so?

You guys dont think several teachers with tasers beats a shooter unopposed? It would be easy for someone to hit a shooter with the taser in a school. If you're in a classroom, you could either hit him with it when he comes in or hit him when he walks by through the hall.

Beats throwing erasers.

[Henry's Dad]

Originally Posted by JimBean

I am not saying this is a perfect alternative. A handgun is far more atractive for defense, but I don't see that becoming an option in most schools anytime soon.

JimBean,

I tried to go down this road a week or so ago, but no one wanted to debate less lethal vs. nothing.

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show....php?t=1458421

The responses tended to be "tasers suck, get a gun" with few wanting to address the fact that teachers are unlikely to be armed with guns anytime soon.

It would be a nice debate to have, but as I learned, tasers suck and teachers should have guns.

Let me summarize the thread I started:

Q: "What if teachers don't get guns? Should they have less lethal options available?"

A: "No, tasers suck. Teachers should have guns."

Q: "But what if guns are not authorized for use in schools? Would less lethal options give teachers a fighting chance?"

A: "Teachers need guns. Tasers suck in a gunfight. Get a gun."