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Old 12-29-2012, 08:53   #276
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When you refer to me by my proper title,

Graf Prof. Dr. Dipl Ing Dana, then I will take your "insult" seriously. Until then, I say you lack manners.
Check out the ego on this guy

When I meet you in your professional workplace I'll call you by your title, just like I call other professionals by their title in their work environment.
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Old 12-29-2012, 08:53   #277
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66% of fatalities involve sober drivers. What sort of war should we declare against them?
Didn't post in this thread to argue.......troll someone else!
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Old 12-29-2012, 08:56   #278
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When you refer to me by my proper title,

Graf Prof. Dr. Dipl Ing Dana, then I will take your "insult" seriously. Until then, I say you lack manners.
A little too full of yourself, your arrogance is showing.
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Old 12-29-2012, 09:00   #279
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A little too full of yourself, your arrogance is showing.
Oh no, you are the one requesting to be called something. I said I will extend you the courtesy of calling you "sir" or "officer" when you extend me the courtesy of calling me by my title.

Seems you two are the ones with ego problems expecting to be addressed as such. I dont expect it nor request it; however, if you expect it or request it, you need to be ready to reciprocate.
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Old 12-29-2012, 09:01   #280
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66% of fatalities involve sober drivers. What sort of war should we declare against them?
Hey hey stop this... don't post common sense and facts in this thread. Alcohol is bad very bad and evil

Historically we stay at 30-33% total deaths for automobiles nationwide for the last 10+ years, being alcohol related.

I remember a story by my new station about 6 years ago, where states that had DUI checkpoint saw no difference in the numbers. This goes back to the deterrence and how effective are they to begin with question, that no one on this thread can answer.

You know why? Because of the drama shaken up by MADD, Police, TV media, and anything else..... they can't and won't provide you the numbers.

When I asked for stats in my county approx 6 years ago, it took 3 weeks for Broward County sheriff to even give me some kinda of half-ass reply to my question and solid answer.

If DUI where so effective, they would be blasting me and you and the public with those numbers.

So every time I drive by a DUi checkpoint I have to laugh. It the same when driving by a interior border checkpoint.

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Many of them haven't repeated=deterred

de·ter
[dih-tur] verb (used with object), de·terred, de·ter·ring.
1. to discourage or restrain from acting or proceeding:


re·peat
[ri-peet]verb (used with object)
5.to do, make, or perform again:

Ever thought of writing your own dictionary since you seem to have a different definition of English language words than the rest of English speaking world uses? I am sure with your expertise in the field of English, it would be instantly accepted by the academic world.
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de·ter·rence

noun \di-ˈtər-ən(t)s, -ˈter-; -ˈtə-rən(t)s, -ˈte-; dē-\
: the act or process of deterring: as
a : the inhibition of criminal behavior by fear especially of punishment
b : the maintenance of military power for the purpose of discouraging attack

Have done it, continue to do it.
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..... You see how they choose who they're gonna wave through without stopping. ...
I am going to go way out on a limb here and guess that who gets waved through are perhaps drivers who look like they are NOT impaired or look like they are not criminals...Maybe who they are dealing with really is not as random as some wish it to be.

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...Statistics prove that when that same number of police officers go on a saturation patrol actively looking for drunk drivers, they catch far more of them. Without making anyone late for dinner, too.
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MAC,

What is your knowledge of the law and court rulings in this area?
Good question.
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de•ter•rence

noun \di-ˈtər-ən(t)s, -ˈter-; -ˈtə-rən(t)s, -ˈte-; dē-\
: the act or process of deterring: as
a : the inhibition of criminal behavior by fear especially of punishment
b : the maintenance of military power for the purpose of discouraging attack

Have done it, continue to do it.
Show me data measuring it and proving it. If you can’t measure it, you cant prove it. Show me data where you specifically have deterred crime. You spout off that you have done, where is the data? If there is no data to measure it and evaluate it against the null hypothesis, then you didnt dtere any crime. I will even extend it to your whole department, show me where your department has statistically valid data showing that you deterred crime when measured against the null hypothesis (being that crime was not deterred). If your department is actually deterring crime, I would think this would be readily available data to show the public what that are getting for their money.

Remember you are the one who requested measuring deterrence.

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I did not state that they did not get their grant money.
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Its amazing, they couldnt arrest enough people on DUIs to get their grant money.
They were receiving the grant funds.

They couldn't arrest enough people to get their funds.

I asked where in the blog piece did you find information to substantiate your claim they failed to qualify for the grant.

I did quote you correctly for the second time, didn't I?
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de·ter·rence

a : the inhibition of criminal behavior by fear especially of punishment
here's some questions;

So if the alcohol related accidents deaths % #s have not went down in the last 10+ years, do you think that it's effective and truly deterring anybody?

Or how effective ( what number ) do you place on this means for deterrence?

Do you think regular cops hitting the streets, patroling and actually looking for DUI offenders is more effective than a DUI checkpoint?
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Oh no, you are the one requesting to be called something. I said I will extend you the courtesy of calling you "sir" or "officer" when you extend me the courtesy of calling me by my title.
What is your appropriate title?
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I hope that's not sFST. He did pretty good and I beat his PC could been beat down.
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Refusing the state test suspends your license, it looks bad at trial but is not an 'automatic conviction' criminally. The warrant for blood can be obtained for scientific proof of intoxication to be submitted as evidence to the judge and jury at trial.
Aha, suspended license, not automatic conviction. Thanks for setting me straight on that. I'm a teetotaler so my experience is limited here.
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They were receiving the grant funds.

They couldn't arrest enough people to get their funds.

I asked where in the blog piece did you find information to substantiate your claim they failed to qualify for the grant.

I did quote you correctly for the second time, didn't I?
"An agency could have their contact terminated if it doesn’t reach its goals, but we look at all the goals," said Mairi Nelson, spokeswoman for the Colorado Department of Transportation

Boulder police spokeswoman Julie Brooks said the department fell short of its grant goal of 1,000 arrests set for 2004 by fewer than 100 arrests.
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What is your appropriate title?
I have already posted it.

Shall you call my work and verify it?
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No.

Is the funding for the war on terror outdated because 9/11 happened in 2001?

I stated that many DUI cases were dismissed or overturned based upon the quotas.
And have the number of cases dismissed or overturned based upon quotas gone up, remained the same, or have they decreased in Boulder since 2005?

Did Boulder learn a lesson in 2005 or not?

9/11 happened once in 2001. However, the war on terror has changed and grown as the threats have changed and grown. Funding for the war on terror has also changed to meet the needs.

But, according to you, you were not commenting on Boulder receiving, or failing to qualify for funding. You said cases were dismissed or overturned based on quotas.

What is comparable to that, cases dismissed or overturned because of a quota, in funding to fight terrorists after 9/11?
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I have already posted it.

Shall you call my work and verify it?
In this thread? How about refreshing our memories, please.
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Toward Zero Deaths - this is the largest Traffic Safety movement/organization in my state (and many others). Visit their website if you want to know more.

http://www.minnesotatzd.org/
They do cover the major safety factors. Good group.
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In this thread? How about refreshing our memories, please.
You can easily find it.
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Members of DAMM (drunks against Mad Mothers) should saturate those checkpoints while not drinking, slur their speech, refuse the test, get the court order, be shown as sober, then do it again and keep judges up all hours of the night on holidays for nothing.

They could overload the system and bog it down.
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I don't drink but believe the checkpoints are an overreach, and for the people who like the searches and call driving a privilege why don't we just put blowers in everyones cars and then also you can put governors on them so they won't be able to speed. Those two things should save a few lives.
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