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Old 12-30-2012, 08:37   #51
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I bet you would change your mind if .22 LR was all that you had, and your family was starving. I am not advocating it, but it is possible. Talk to some Depression era folks who were in that position, and they will tell you. In a true SHTF situation nothing is predictable and the works can't and won't should probably be largely deleted from a person's vocabulary.
Two different scenarios,I do have a .22mag.'08.
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I bet you would change your mind if .22 LR was all that you had, and your family was starving. I am not advocating it, but it is possible. Talk to some Depression era folks who were in that position, and they will tell you. In a true SHTF situation nothing is predictable and the works can't and won't should probably be largely deleted from a person's vocabulary.
To kill a deer with a .22lr, does it have to be an eye shot or point blank or what??

I've heard of bears being taken with a .22lr single shot. I just am not sure how it'd happen.

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Two different scenarios,I do have a .22mag.'08.
As do a lot of us. My point was that in a true SHTF (whatever that might be) it is possible that we might be seperated from the items that we have so carefully accumulated. Ideally we would have all the firearms we have selected for the variety of situations that might arise available to us, but there is no guarentee of that. Can't and won't are dangerous words to lean on in a survival situation.
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To kill a deer with a .22lr, does it have to be an eye shot or point blank or what??

I've heard of bears being taken with a .22lr single shot. I just am not sure how it'd happen.

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Nope. Bullet placement is vital, but no, you don't have to shoot them in the eye, and if you are at point blank range, why waste a bullet anyways? Spinal shots will work, a .22 will actually penetrate to the heart. Lots of tracking could be involved. Probably not a lot of blood trail... Again, I don't advocate it, and have never done it, but it is possible, and I would not hesitate to do it if necessary in a survival situation.
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"To kill a deer with a .22lr, does it have to be an eye shot or point blank or what??"

Ok. I am going to assume a legal environment in which you can do anything to take down a deer and that it is for survival. So Vegans, vegetarians, game wardens and block Level Inspectors Clouseau take a hike in this discussion.

1. traps work 24/7. Use a trap instead of a firearm.
2. Deer are diurnal. Diurnal means that they are up and moving a couple of times a day and that they rest in the middle of the day.
3. Understanding that deer are diurnal and that you are not using combat sweeps to roust them from bedding, you need to be able to shoot at dawn and slightly after dusk. Essentially, you should have good eye sight and great optics.
4. Your knowledge of ballistics and animal traits are paramount as you insist on using a firearm.
5. If you shoot a deer, the likelihood is that it will bound a short distance, lie down and rest. This means that the hunter does not let out a warhoop and go chasing. You wait a couple of minutes. Obviously, if the deer is seriously injured, it is not going to rise up.
6. Another animal trait is knowing the habits and paths of animals. It is a bit late to try to take animal tracking classes after shtf. An experienced hunter will know the deer sign and paths. He/she is the person who will get close enough for the proverbial accurate eye shot at dawn. The rest of the people will be flailing away in the brush and taking shots at unknown ranges in near darkness.
7. People can speak all they want about survival in the Depression. All of my relatives who lived in that era are now dead. 20% of the military inductees in the US in WW2 were rejected as malnourished.

So, after all of my bs, if you can do an eye shot at 75 yards at dawn, that will work. If you do a lung shot and have patience, that will work. If you are accurate enough to take out a leg, that will work. If you can't do it now, decide whether you want to learn or not.

If people were really serious about their equipment, marksmanship, and hunting skills, they would find a local varmint club and go up the learning curve a lot faster than reading a book or subscribing to a gun magazine.
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BD, you mentioned traps... I know of a few that'll work for rodents and fish, but what traps will contain a deer??

At the same time I'll check out what google has to say on the matter.

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As do a lot of us. My point was that in a true SHTF (whatever that might be) it is possible that we might be seperated from the items that we have so carefully accumulated. Ideally we would have all the firearms we have selected for the variety of situations that might arise available to us, but there is no guarentee of that. Can't and won't are dangerous words to lean on in a survival situation.
Steve,with no disrespect,we have at the time 4x the ability ta resupply.We won't run outta much of anything.I do agree hunger is a great motivator.We have taken the steps ta avoid this.

I do agree if hungry I'd shoot food with what is handy.I prefer a .257 Roberts or a 30/30.We have both and the means ta feed them,I'd love ta reload.I'd havta give up prep space ta do so.It's a catch 22.'08.
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"To kill a deer with a .22lr, does it have to be an eye shot or point blank or what??"

Ok. I am going to assume a legal environment in which you can do anything to take down a deer and that it is for survival. So Vegans, vegetarians, game wardens and block Level Inspectors Clouseau take a hike in this discussion.

1. traps work 24/7. Use a trap instead of a firearm.
2. Deer are diurnal. Diurnal means that they are up and moving a couple of times a day and that they rest in the middle of the day.
3. Understanding that deer are diurnal and that you are not using combat sweeps to roust them from bedding, you need to be able to shoot at dawn and slightly after dusk. Essentially, you should have good eye sight and great optics.
4. Your knowledge of ballistics and animal traits are paramount as you insist on using a firearm.
5. If you shoot a deer, the likelihood is that it will bound a short distance, lie down and rest. This means that the hunter does not let out a warhoop and go chasing. You wait a couple of minutes. Obviously, if the deer is seriously injured, it is not going to rise up.
6. Another animal trait is knowing the habits and paths of animals. It is a bit late to try to take animal tracking classes after shtf. An experienced hunter will know the deer sign and paths. He/she is the person who will get close enough for the proverbial accurate eye shot at dawn. The rest of the people will be flailing away in the brush and taking shots at unknown ranges in near darkness.
7. People can speak all they want about survival in the Depression. All of my relatives who lived in that era are now dead. 20% of the military inductees in the US in WW2 were rejected as malnourished.

So, after all of my bs, if you can do an eye shot at 75 yards at dawn, that will work. If you do a lung shot and have patience, that will work. If you are accurate enough to take out a leg, that will work. If you can't do it now, decide whether you want to learn or not.

If people were really serious about their equipment, marksmanship, and hunting skills, they would find a local varmint club and go up the learning curve a lot faster than reading a book or subscribing to a gun magazine.

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I know those who have taken deer with a .22 LR

..each time one shot carefully placed at close range...

..each time deer was dropped on the spot.


Precision CNS shots.....not "Slob Hunting"!
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BD, you mentioned traps... I know of a few that'll work for rodents and fish, but what traps will contain a deer??

At the same time I'll check out what google has to say on the matter.

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Shoot a deer in the brain with a .22 and it is DRT.

End of topic.

I think some of y'all need to get and kill more animals.

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Multiple traps.

1. the kind that an animal steps in and then cannot retract its foot;

2. the loop type that the deer walks into;

3. the spring type wherein the deer causes itself to be hung up.

4. the deadfall type.

You can also do baiting over a salt block or a salt lick. The salt lick is when you put the salt on the ground and the animal disturbs the soil to get at the salt.

Ok ASPCA types - read about the $9 million dollars you were ordered to pay the Fields organization this month (Ringling Bros. Circus). Say, google it just for kicks.

I would put out salt blocks on the stepmom's farm in Mississippi and here just to see what kinds of wildlife existed that people would not normally spot. Not hunting them.

I do not advocate anything illegal. My older brother had a Christmas tree farm in PA and had permission to shoot deer "out of season" and would have them donated to the local orphanage.

Like so many other things that we should know for after shtf, it is really too late at that point to develop tracking, hunting, shooting, trapping skills.
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Again, please explain to me (sensibly, reasonably) the relationship between exactly what impending ban, and the need for a crapton of .22lr?
Still waiting on a response to this...
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Ain't much more of a reason than that.
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Steve,with no disrespect,we have at the time 4x the ability ta resupply.We won't run outta much of anything.I do agree hunger is a great motivator.We have taken the steps ta avoid this.

I do agree if hungry I'd shoot food with what is handy.I prefer a .257 Roberts or a 30/30.We have both and the means ta feed them,I'd love ta reload.I'd havta give up prep space ta do so.It's a catch 22.'08.
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Shoot a deer in the brain with a .22 and it is DRT.

End of topic.

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Maybe, maybe not...the end result of a poorly placed shot is certainly not "end of topic".

Too much of a margin of error (even with a head shot) that leads to a wounded and lost animal.

Which is why the 22LR is an illegal cartridge to use for taking deer, atleast in Maine, not sure about the rest of the country.

Not saying it can't be done, of course.
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"To kill a deer with a .22lr, does it have to be an eye shot or point blank or what??"

Ok. I am going to assume a legal environment in which you can do anything to take down a deer and that it is for survival. So Vegans, vegetarians, game wardens and block Level Inspectors Clouseau take a hike in this discussion.

1. traps work 24/7. Use a trap instead of a firearm. Then what? Are you going to beat it to death with a stick? Stick with a knife? Even trappers carry guns, because WHATEVER you trapped you still have to shoot it to kill it. (unless you are using drowning sets of course) I would LOVE to see video of anyone approaching a mature buck with his hoof in a trap with only a stick and a knife.
2. Deer are diurnal. Diurnal means that they are up and moving a couple of times a day and that they rest in the middle of the day.
3. Understanding that deer are diurnal and that you are not using combat sweeps to roust them from bedding, you need to be able to shoot at dawn and slightly after dusk. Essentially, you should have good eye sight and great optics. Never been on a deer drive? Essentially a combat sweep to roust them from their beds. Very effective. Also many many deer are taken in the middle of the day, the dawn and dusk thing is hardly a rule to follow. Especially during rut. Then the bucks don't really rest at all.
4. Your knowledge of ballistics and animal traits are paramount as you insist on using a firearm.
5. If you shoot a deer, the likelihood is that it will bound a short distance, lie down and rest. This means that the hunter does not let out a warhoop and go chasing. You wait a couple of minutes. Obviously, if the deer is seriously injured, it is not going to rise up.
6. Another animal trait is knowing the habits and paths of animals. It is a bit late to try to take animal tracking classes after shtf. An experienced hunter will know the deer sign and paths. He/she is the person who will get close enough for the proverbial accurate eye shot at dawn. The rest of the people will be flailing away in the brush and taking shots at unknown ranges in near darkness. One could teach a 4th grader to read deer sign in 20 minutes using flash cards. There isn't much to it. The tracks, scat, rubs and scrapes are all pretty distictive, at least in the North. Maybe down south or in the west they have other animals with striking similarities in scat and track?
7. People can speak all they want about survival in the Depression. All of my relatives who lived in that era are now dead. 20% of the military inductees in the US in WW2 were rejected as malnourished.

So, after all of my bs, if you can do an eye shot at 75 yards at dawn, that will work. If you do a lung shot and have patience, that will work. If you are accurate enough to take out a leg, that will work. Not really. I once saw a deer that a fellow hunter had shot off the left hind hoof, from the dew claw down was a stump of bone, he had been that way for 2 days by the time we got him. I have seen deer with broken legs as well. If you can't do it now, decide whether you want to learn or not.

If people were really serious about their equipment, marksmanship, and hunting skills, they would find a local varmint club and go up the learning curve a lot faster than reading a book or subscribing to a gun magazine.
Just a few friendly disagreements based on my experiences. I don't know but maybe the deer out west and down south are somehow different than Northern Whitetails?
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Again, please explain to me (sensibly, reasonably) the relationship between exactly what impending ban, and the need for a crapton of .22lr?
Sensibly, reasonably because panic buying is in full force. Ammo is no longer brass--it's GOLD. It's beyond the point of asking why, but where (can I find some--if I don't have any or enough).

If you had the foresight to horde .223/5.56. 7.62x39, x51, etc OR their respective magazines--well, you are sitting pretty right about now. How about a few crates of ARs? Keep a handful and sell a bunch at insane prices. Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way.

Over on rimfire central, this whole panic thing caught hundreds, if not thousands, of those guys off guard. 20,000 doesn't sound too bad when you can't find a box of 50 to feed your rimfire habit.

This PANIC has "fingers", too. It is reaching into other areas of gear and supplies that make little sense at this point, BUT AGAIN, that doesn't matter. If you need or want something, you better make arrangements to get it now or find yourself without. BTW, I just ordered another case of 5000 rounds of .22 lr this morning. If I don't use it all in my lifetime, maybe my kids will. It just might have trade value in the near future as well.

Combine my answer with the other posts in this thread and maybe you can piece together a good "reason". If not, any number of us may be willing to sell or barter a few .22 rounds if you find yourself lacking in the future.

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Couldn't believe the ammo shelves at Cabela's yesterday. .22lr was nowhere to be found, nor primers, powder etc... Very disappointing day indeed. I hope the people that are in the panic buying also put forth the same effort to contact their legislators.
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The smallest/least round I'd ever try ta take a deer with is a .22mag.'08.

As one who has had to use a .22LR to eat, I assure you that a head shot will drop a deer in it's tracks.

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I actually looked in WM today for .22 ammo.....nothing at all! First time I've actually looked.
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Good friend of mine found a couple pounds or VARGET, and he got some stuff for himself, a couple hundred .40 bullets, .223 brass, and a couple thousand small rifle primers.

Look for the small shops.

Good luck.

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...BTW, I just ordered another case of 5000 rounds of .22 lr this morning. ...
Do you mind if I ask where? or at least how much it was? Do you get much of a discount on bulk with .22?
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Do you mind if I ask where? or at least how much it was? Do you get much of a discount on bulk with .22?
Sgammo had some 5,000 round cases of Eley Sport for $259 (firewall at work prevents me from double checking that price..sorry). They had CCI std velocity at $279?

The Eley sport isn't "actual" Eley but made under contract by the same company which makes Aguila.

I checked Gander Mountain and two Walmarts on the way home for S&G's....I found one Walmart had half a dozen boxes of Stingers. That's it.

You can find it. Ammoman recently had 5-600 cases of 7.62 Wolf HPs at $299. Yep, this is an extra $100 over what they were pre-Sandy Hook...but they had 500+ cases. I think they are gone now.
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