[random southpaw]

Originally Posted by sjfrellc

Back in the days, everything was grandfathered. How long after 1994 were pre-ban magazines still sold by the major online retailers? I can't remember but I thought it was forever.
I think the 30 round magazine is the lightening rod of the antis vs. the pro 2As against te tyranny of the Govn't. Don't think they will be grandfathered next time around.

Said ban was in effect when the Columbine Murders took place. That ban did absolutely NOTHING to prevent Columbine from happening!

[WASRfan]

Originally Posted by WEATHERBY460

who was the president that forced the ban?

Nixon for the GCA of 68

Reagan during the 86-MG ban - supposedly snuck in the middle of night session

Bush I for the 89-import ban and 922 restrictions - with Reagan's nod. The 922 stuff is still in effect.

Klinton for the 94 AWB - with Bush I and Reagan's nods. This expired for Free America under Bush II, but the 89-ban 922 crap remains.

Klinton for the CHICOM ban, still in effect. No more MAK-90s.

Recognize that the Republicans haven't exactly been the most 2A friendly bunch?

[WoodenPlank]

Originally Posted by WASRfan

Nixon for the GCA of 68

Reagan during the 86-MG ban - supposedly snuck in the middle of night session

Bush I for the 89-import ban and 922 restrictions - with Reagan's nod. The 922 stuff is still in effect.

Klinton for the 94 AWB - with Bush I and Reagan's nods. This expired for Free America under Bush II, but the 89-ban 922 crap remains.

Klinton for the CHICOM ban, still in effect. No more MAK-90s.

Recognize that the Republicans haven't exactly been the most 2A friendly bunch?

FOPA Hughes Amendment VOTE APRIL 10 1986 - YouTube

FOPA Hughes Amendment VOTE APRIL 10 1986 - YouTube

Watch the video of it for yourself. The Hughes amendment was added under very shaky legislative terms to a pro-gun bill. Blaming Reagan for it is short-sighted.

[WASRfan]

Originally Posted by WoodenPlank

<snip> The Hughes amendment was added under very shaky legislative terms to a pro-gun bill. Blaming Reagan for it is short-sighted.

Nope, happened during Reagan, not by Reagan.

He gave us FOPA - which we all enjoy everytime we buy ammo without logging it, ammo over the 'net, and all that nice ex-WWII milsurp carbines and Garands that were allowed in.

[fg17]

I was mostly shooting revolvers and bolt action rifles. Still do, althogth I have always had a pistol around, right now I have a G17 because I like shooting GSSF matches. I remember still being able to get anything you want as long as you could afford the outragous prices, I wont play that game. Other than that it did not hurt my shooting enjoyment at all. I did buy a ruger pistol that came with 10 roung mags with a cheesy stopper at the bottom.

[klmmicro]

I remember really...it was useless and lost the dems their power seat for a long while. It showed them what the 3rd rail is.

[SDDL-UP]

A few things to remember about the 1994 CLINTON gun ban

1) it cost the SITTING SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE - Tom Foley (d)WA his job

2) it cost the democrats control of the house of representatives

3) it was a "foot in the door" socialist gun controllers always wanted - they immediately began talking about the 7 round magazine limit (see New York state 2013), a ban on all semi-autos, and some kind of restrictions on "sniper rifles" AKA - hunting rifles.

4) everything was very expensive HK-91 magazines that should have cost $20 were going for $75 - thank you federal government.

5) magazine companies tooled up as quickly as possible and a lot of them turned out complete junk, I don't even know who they all were as they didn't even bother to mark their product (I wouldn't have either if I were putting out such junk)

6) Senator Max Baucus (d)MT claimed he didn't even know how many firearms were banned by name in the bill for which he voted. (he wasn't haing an affair either, he wrote the TARP bill, helped push through Obamacare, what a winner!)


Not fond memories - especially those about the next step so many gun grabbers were ready to take afterwards, like I said - the foot in the door! California actually DID confiscate firearms - some rifles that were allowed to be registered under an extended grace period that the state later "revoked" or some such nonsense. I will never "register" my Constitutional rights.

[lawman800]

Originally Posted by SDDL-UP

California actually DID confiscate firearms - some rifles that were allowed to be registered under an extended grace period that the state later "revoked" or some such nonsense. I will never "register" my Constitutional rights.

Fuzzy on the exact sequence of events, but it was 2000 when they wanted all AR's and AK's registered along with other non-assault weapons which were converted to become assault weapons, such as Mini-14's with aftermarket pistol grip stocks, but Mini-14's with the factory stock are exempt from registration. They also flip flopped a few times on imported SKS with non-detachable magazines but decided they had to be registered as well.

Then after it was all said and done, in 2001, when the grace period was over, the legislature decided that the previously SKS which they allowed to be registered was too dangerous to be allowed at all, so they notified all the law abiding gun owners who registered those guns to turn them in.

We did get to keep all the AR's and AK's but somehow the SKS was too dangerous. Whatever.

[vikingsoftpaw]

I remember getting my neutered DPMS sans flash hider. Two years post ban you could still get new mags. Makers ran a whole bunch.

[Tango 1Zero]

Bought a thumbhole stock Maadi AK47 for around $250.00 no bayonet lug, threaded barrel had a muzzle cover welded on it.
Back then you didnt see ak parts around. I bought if for spares. I still have it.
I did comb the shows for Sig 226-228 mags for around $55 anything under that was a good deal to me.
Same with Glock 17 and 19 mags. I tried to find them under $55.
On the positive side 50 Linked BMG ammo was $1 a round.
5.56 PMP battle packs were dam cheap around $30 for 200 rounds.

[pgg00]

I remember having to get a letterhead to buy a rifle (colt 6920), registering I as an "assault weapon". Needing an ID and permission to buy standard capacity magazines.

It did nothing but hurt law abiding citizens.

[SmithietheFox]

$125 13-round Glock 21 mags, ARs with collapsible stocks pinned open, AKs with under-folding stocks pinned open, cheap ammo, Romanian SARs for $300, SKSs at $90-100, ARs with goofy looking muzzle-brakes, flashiders that were closed, thumb-hole stocks, folks paying primo $ for "pre-ban" AR lowers and slapping 6920 uppers on them (you could always tell the SP1 lowers because you'd see an M4A3 w/no mag fence).

[lawman800]

Originally Posted by SmithietheFox

AKs with under-folding stocks pinned open, SKSs at $500, ARs with goofy bullet buttons and ten round mags fixed in place.

We have that now in CA anyway.

[klmmicro]

Originally Posted by pgg00

It did nothing but hurt law abiding citizens.

Which is the only group that gun control ever actually effects anyway. Gun control is not about stopping crime, it is about controlling the rank and file citizen. Always has been used for that purpose...and always will be.

[shotgunred]

I remember a cop outside a gun store sold me 2 mags with LE only stamped on them.

[Stock Perfection]

Perfect- with all the talk around lately, alot of this stuff has been coming back to me. We are getting older after all ladies and gentlemen. I was a teen shooter with his second pistol. In '94 I remember wondering what the little old ladies would think about my G-21 loaded with Black Talon ammo. Double evil! LOL The news was all over it. They made it sound like anything black would kill you, immediately, without mercy (Wait a minute...). An older friend made the point to 'just not talk about it'. People seemed to be wary of talking about certain weapons, ammo or mags. Would someone 'turn you in'? Who would care? Why can't I just buy what I want? It really was a confusing time for me. But I could pawn my magazine for $50 to get me over the weekend. Since then I've learned the rules of Citizenship of this Republic (the Constitution). I truly hope that there are'nt any young shooters still confused about these things today. The IntraWeb has probably helped some. I do know that their video games have owners' manuals, and so does their government. See that they read, understand, and follow all safety precautions to avoid tyranny. And remember this- there is no more important safety item than these, our Arms.

[Cavalry Doc]

I remember buying a blue label G23 with 3 mags marked "RESTRICTED, LE/GOVT ONLY" in 2004.

Yeah, I don't care. I carry one of those in my carry weapon, and a 15 round G22 mag as a reload. Testing, testing, 1 - 2 - 3, testing..... I will comply with all TEXAS gun laws.

[RWBlue]

Originally Posted by Stock Perfection

It really was a confusing time for me. Since then I've learned the rules of Citizenship of this Republic (the Constitution). I truly hope that there are'nt any young shooters still confused about these things today.

Looking at how many guns were sold since the term BAN came up.
AND
Looking at how many young people voted for O.

I think there are a lot of people who need a history lesson.

[mr.scott]

I must have missed it somehow. I found a 30 rnd mag for my p89 for $25 in 2001. $30 for a 30 rnd Berreta 92 mag. My roommate bought a bushmaster for around 900 and had 30 round mags with it.

[WASRfan]

Originally Posted by RWBlue

<snip>

Looking at how many young people voted for O.

I think there are a lot of people who need a history lesson.

Ever watch Jay Leno show where he does the Jay Walking segment asking common folks common questions?

This nation is in a deeeeep binjoe ditch.

[RWBlue]

Originally Posted by WASRfan

Ever watch Jay Leno show where he does the Jay Walking segment asking common folks common questions?

This nation is in a deeeeep binjoe ditch.

I think a lot of that is people being stupid to be on TV.

Personally, I could have been on TV many times, I don't want to be on TV for being stupid.

[dkf]

The TV networks edit out the people they don't want in the show. There is not a whole lot of live TV anymore. Coherent well spoken people do not make good TV in the eye of many networks.

[lawman800]

Originally Posted by RWBlue

I think a lot of that is people being stupid to be on TV.

Personally, I could have been on TV many times, I don't want to be on TV for being stupid.

So you will never be on reality TV.

[herricane]

All that i remember was my chief telling me about the ban. Then how he felt about the people in washington. Then he told me to get my guns and 12 mags for both guns and meet him at the range(the range was only 100 yards away). 6 mags for me 6 for him. He told me to go full auto and shoot.
After we were done he sead f@@@ washington we have our 30 round mags an an M16 any time we want.
Todays problems are a little more conserning. I DO NOT HAVE THE COAST GUARDS GUNS ANY MORE.

[Jason D]

Originally Posted by Cavalry Doc

I remember buying a blue label G23 with 3 mags marked "RESTRICTED, LE/GOVT ONLY" in 2004.

Yeah, I don't care. I carry one of those in my carry weapon, and a 15 round G22 mag as a reload. Testing, testing, 1 - 2 - 3, testing..... I will comply with all TEXAS gun laws.

I may have had a good bunch of LEO magazines during the ban without ever having been an LEO.