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Old 12-29-2012, 02:00   #26
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I remember that after Bill Clinton signed it into Law & it stayed on the books till apx 2006 It did not do a Dam thing to bring down or stop any Firearms Gun crimes at all.? It was a worthless Law that put restrictions on number of mag rouinds some States like mine can own or use etc.& now D. Feinstein ( Cal.D) wants to re introduce it again.? & Again it will nmot do anything to stop any gun crimes etc.?
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Old 12-29-2012, 02:56   #27
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This and no bayonet lugs and/or flash suppressors.
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Old 12-29-2012, 05:51   #28
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I remember wanting an AR but being too poor to afford one.

I also remember all the hype around high cap mags and how it drove prices through the roof, once again, I was too poor to afford any of it. My cousin was really into it and had more cash than me, we went to every gun show and store in FL and he would by ammo, Glock mags, "tactical shotguns", AR's, etc. I sat back and watched the madness sort of shaking my head at what he was paying for some of this stuff and how he was "hoarding", I guess it's time for round two.

My financial situation is much better this time around but it drives me nuts to see the hype, panic and shortages that this crap brings with it which has absolutely no effect on crime in any way shape or form. Just maddening!

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Old 12-29-2012, 06:04   #29
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I was six months too young to buy anything legally, and it sucked.

Hi-caps were available, though expensive, right up till the day the ban went away. I was working in a gunshop then and we had just about everything available, just not cheap.
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Old 12-29-2012, 06:06   #30
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Being only 20 I really don't remember the AWB but all this hysteria is teaching me something. Best to gradually stock up on mags, ammo, etc. before this sort of thing happens. That way you have everything you need without paying $150 for a 33 round Glock 18 mag.
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Old 12-29-2012, 06:24   #31
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Bought my first AR during the ban... a new 16" Bushmaster XM15-E2S/A2 carbine... fixed stock, no bayo lug or flash hider, but a perfectly good rifle. Came with a couple of lame 10 round mags, but used military 30 rounders weren't all that hard to find at shows; and weren't THAT expensive. Bought a handful of those, stripped them down and refinished the bodies, then replaced the followers and springs to create essentially new mags.

Still have the rifle and the mags... though the fixed stock got replaced with a collapsible one in 2004 when the ban expired.

The biggest annoyance for me was not being able to get standard capacity mags for my Glock 19. Bought that during the ban too, and it came with a pair of blocked 10 rounders. Pre-ban Glock mags were nowhere near as plentiful as AR mags and were priced accordingly. Didn't really stock up on standard capacity mags for the Glock until the ban expired.

Generally the ban was a useless PITA and caused many of us to pay more for the stuff we wanted than we should have... and it had ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT on the violent crime it was supposed to prevent. Stupid, clueless politicians.
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Old 12-29-2012, 08:54   #32
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Well, you still have a larger grip, longer barrel, and sight radius. But yes, it's pretty silly, overall.
For most people with average sized hands, those guns push the edge of what is manageable for a solid master grip. The compromise is the amount of ammo inside the grip, but without the number of rounds, there is no reason to compromise and the focus shifts back to getting a gun that fits you over a gun with highest capacity.
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Old 12-29-2012, 10:48   #33
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Three day waiting period on handgun purchases.
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Old 12-29-2012, 11:12   #34
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Three day waiting period on handgun purchases.
We actually had a 15 day wait period forever in CA and then sometime during the 90's, it got reduced to a 10 day wait and it's still the same now, so we never knew about having no wait periods or anything less in CA.
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Old 12-29-2012, 11:15   #35
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Old 12-29-2012, 14:02   #36
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i remember my Sig p229 .9mm coming with one regular magazine. i wrote Sig a letter about this to complain. they sent me a 10 round mag in the mail for free...
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Old 12-29-2012, 14:08   #37
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Old 12-29-2012, 18:19   #38
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Well, I only remember the back end of it, I couldn't even own a gun when it was passed. I seem to remember that heavily used 30 round pre ban USGI mags were going for around $20 or so when I bought my first AR15. However, there are a LOT more AR15 owners now than there was in 2002~.

Then again, ammo was cheap back then. $80 for 500 rounds of brass cased .223.
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Old 12-29-2012, 18:41   #39
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If you're a hotrod guy, I'm sure it was like being in about 1971, with all of the good stuff going away, being replaced by kinder, gentler versions that kinda looked the same. It stunk, and I started in '04 gathering what I may need, should it ever happen again. And, now the day may soon be upon us.
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Old 12-30-2012, 06:50   #40
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I remember finding g17 mags for $79.99 from CDNN. I was so ecstatic to find them at they price as every other source has them for $100-135.

I also remember the sad feeling of watching ar15 rifles going from $750 and then overnight going to $1300 and then jumping again magically to $1800...then $2300....

I also remember meeting a guy who had purchased 100 ar15 rifles just before the ban. He sat on them and flipped them later and paid off his mortgage.
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Old 12-30-2012, 08:46   #41
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I remember buying a new Colt AR, and selling it 6mo later for three times what I paid
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Old 12-30-2012, 12:07   #42
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Two things stand out in my mind about the 1994 Clinton "Crime Bill" a.k.a. assault weapons ban (AWB) including the so-called "high-capacity" magazine ban.

In April 1994 I had just gotten to Osan AB, ROK for a 1-year tour and remember being frustrated by all the references to "high-capacity" magazines by the Left and the mass media. The gun writers at the time (I don' t recall specifically which one(s) now) correctly pointed out that the AWB affected standard capacity magazines. The guns were designed to use a certain capacity magazine; it was the Left mislabeling them to suit their agenda.

The other thing that stands out was that when I was later returning from Ramstein AB, Germany in 2001, still under the AWB, I had to sell my standard capacity mags over there since I could not yet import them into the US. Over there I had purchased several Sigs, including a P229, as well as an HK USPC and a G23. Over there they came with the factory original standard capacity mags, naturally. Of course, the HK, and my other Sigs that I bought there (220, 239, and 232) were already designed for 10 rounds or less and therefore were unaffected by the stupidity of the AWB mag limits. I had my Dad procure two available 13 rounders for my G23 ($$$), and three each USA Mag 9mm 20- and 30-rounders for my P89 and PC-9 before I got back. I still have those extended magazines in my safe. I had to wait until 2004 before I finally got standard capacity mags for my 229; I had been using the then-legal (and available) 10-rounders up to then.

Since I learned from that experience, after I bought my Sig 556ER rifle back in 2007, and then my S&W AR in 2012, I've been buying a PMAG here and there "just in case"... I WAS thinking of selling my Sig 556 to finance a suppressor for my AR, but now I'm inclined to hang onto it for a while. I'll sell my motorcycle instead. May even put a scope and bipod on the Sig 556.

That's what I remember from the first (and hopefully last!) "assault weapons" ban; let's not go down that dead-end road again...




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Old 12-30-2012, 13:00   #44
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I remember it did not work and I bought my first Glock G17 because of it. All it did is make guns look silly and magazines expensive. Did not effect crime rates at all. It was feel good bull**** by stupid politicians. We now have stupid people to agree with the stupid politicians who want to control everyone.

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Old 12-30-2012, 14:09   #45
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The G19 was not as ridiculous as seeing full sized guns like the G17 and Beretta 92FS with piddly 10 rounders which were either blocked off or single column.

Why even bother with those guns if you are limited to the same capacity as a smaller or lighter gun?
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Well, you still have a larger grip, longer barrel, and sight radius. But yes, it's pretty silly, overall.
Yes, a G34 with a 10 round magazine will still outshoot a G19 with 10 round magazines in most peoples hands. I actually use the 10 round magazines in my G34 now, mostly because I do shoot matches in NJ where you can't have more than 15. Luckily, they work just fine, though I find I replace the springs more frequently.
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I remember lots of jams in my Beretta 92fs using the 10rd mags it came with.

I remember having to get the Sheriff to sign an authorization form stating that I was buying a gun or magazines for LE related work before I could order standard capacity magazines.

I remember paying $50 bucks for a pre ban 15rd Beretta magazine that had seen better days.

Most of all I remember seeing a convicted felon in possession of a fully automatic AK47 with 40rd magazines with no regard what so ever for the AWB laws he was breaking when he committed a robbery and led officers on a high speed chase.

The AWB was useless and made it difficult for lots of honest people to enjoy their favorite sport and protect themselves.
Yep, just hurts the good people, but then the people behind this already know that.

BTW: I was shooting Beretta in competition during the ban, and I had no reliability issues with the 10 round magazines. Sorry to hear you experience wasn't the same.
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Old 12-30-2012, 15:29   #47
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I remember the democraps loosing thier hineys in the elections and I HOPE THEY REMEMBER!
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Old 12-30-2012, 18:02   #48
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Back in the days, everything was grandfathered. How long after 1994 were pre-ban magazines still sold by the major online retailers? I can't remember but I thought it was forever.
I think the 30 round magazine is the lightening rod of the antis vs. the pro 2As against te tyranny of the Govn't. Don't think they will be grandfathered next time around.
The bad guys had plenty of 30 rounders. You could buy em on the street for 20 bucks.
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Old 12-30-2012, 18:38   #49
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Yes, a G34 with a 10 round magazine will still outshoot a G19 with 10 round magazines in most peoples hands. I actually use the 10 round magazines in my G34 now, mostly because I do shoot matches in NJ where you can't have more than 15. Luckily, they work just fine, though I find I replace the springs more frequently.
Yes, there are always reasons such as hunting or competition where you have round limits, and people's hand sizes and preferences and dietary preferences and religious beliefs and which side of the bed they woke up on all comes into play but my thing is, all things being equal to the buyer and he can shoot all the guns the same, what's the point of having a way bigger gun if you can't hold more rounds.
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I remember looking at a Mini-30 with a folding stock at a gun store and wanting one. Then I bought the gun and started learning the law and realized that I couldn't put a folding stock on it legally and that the one at the gun store was probably illegal as it was "new".

I also remember picking up a pair of Eagle Arms AR lowers from Quantico Firearms at a gun show a few months before the ban expired and waiting so that I could legally assemble it as a post-ban AR.

I think I still have PMs in my inbox from a mod here scolding me for posting pics of my stripped lower with an adjustable stock screwed into it.

I remember finding 30 rounders for my Mini-30 and 15 rounders for my S&W 910 fairly easily online and at gun shows in the early 2000's. Somewhat pricy, but still found them.

I wish I wasn't in a financial tight spot (remodeling a newly purchased foreclosure), because I'd really like to pick up a Gen4 G19 with 3 15 rounders.
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