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Old 12-27-2012, 13:14   #1
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Texans explain this one to me.


Juaquin Jackson was a Texas Ranger from 1966 to 1993. I have read of some of the things he has done and they remind me of things the old timers in my department would have done around the same time frame. I find it had to understand why he thinks mag capacity should be limited to 5 rounds.

I hear all this talk of Texas being a gunowner's paradise then I see this. WTF?
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Old 12-27-2012, 13:21   #2
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I hear all this talk of Texas being a gunowner's paradise then I see this. WTF?
Thats simple....its not. Only 6 states prohibit all open carry, Texas is one of them.

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Old 12-27-2012, 13:21   #3
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Five rounds ? That about makes everything I own illegal !
That was a kick to the crotch !
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Old 12-27-2012, 13:22   #4
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Phew! My 2-shot derringer is safe.

Plus, he doesn't want to be outgunned from his wheel gun.

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Old 12-27-2012, 13:25   #5
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He's a former LEO. I think the mindset has always been it's them against us. They call us citizens but call themselves officers.
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Old 12-27-2012, 13:29   #6
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When I first became an officer, we used revolvers.
Why would anyone need more than 6 (or 5) shots and a couple of reloads?




That would make one of my firearms OK.

I asume he is talking rifles. Like the reminton 700 and other bolt guns with 4-5 round magazine.

Darned Fudd.
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Old 12-27-2012, 13:34   #7
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Thats simple....its not.
Pretty much. We have good CCW laws for the most part but I find it embarrassing that Texas is one of a handful of states that does not have some form of open carry (unless you count private property). Even as far as ranges go it seems like we keep losing them. Not sure why he thinks mag capacity should be limited to 5 as that sounds pretty absurd considering that the 1911 most Texas Rangers carry holds more than that. I guess if I had Chuck Norris at my disposal like they do then I'd be ok with 5 rounds or less.
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Why is it surprising that a Texas ranger does not think you need lots of bullets?

isn't their motto one riot, ONE ranger?

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Old 12-27-2012, 13:44   #9
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He's an old man and a product of another era. Cut him some slack. Eric
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Bah. We have our idiots too. Sorry, but just because someone makes it to be a Texas Ranger doesn't mean they're an authority on everything...or anything, for that matter.
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The guy is a legend around here.

The other side of that is, he doesnt speak for Texas.

I would bet money that most of the people here would revel in hanging out with the guy. Great stories, great history, it would be a fine time. You find out one thing about him you are not a fan of and now he is "the enemy?"

Given the fact he is on the same side as you, he is NOT against you, to be really honest, he is not on as extreme an end of the spectrum as you are.
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He's an old man and a product of another era. Cut him some slack. Eric
Not a chance. The old men of another era are ruining the country NOW.
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Not a chance. The old men of another era are ruining the country NOW.
I'm sure that septuagenarian retiree is contributing to the downfall of our society. Whatever you say, man. Eric
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It doesn't make the "enemy" just some-one I don't agree with !

Find a gun with five or less rounds that any of us would want to carry would be some epic quest in itself .
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Juaquin Jackson was a Texas Ranger from 1966 to 1993. I have read of some of the things he has done and they remind me of things the old timers in my department would have done around the same time frame. I find it had to understand why he thinks mag capacity should be limited to 5 rounds.

I hear all this talk of Texas being a gunowner's paradise then I see this. WTF?
Because he's a cop and he knows he can have all the bullets he wants. Standard cap mags are only for the privileged.
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Juaquin Jackson was a Texas Ranger from 1966 to 1993. I have read of some of the things he has done and they remind me of things the old timers in my department would have done around the same time frame. I find it had to understand why he thinks mag capacity should be limited to 5 rounds.

I hear all this talk of Texas being a gunowner's paradise then I see this. WTF?
No explanation need, not everybody in Texans is pro gun nor are all LEOs. It would silly to think otherwise.
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I hear all this talk of Texas being a gunowner's paradise then I see this. WTF?
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Thats simple....its not. Only 6 states prohibit all open carry, Texas is one of them.
I think he represents a part of LEO establishment, particularly common in states that do restrict RKBA, that believes only the police are sufficiently qualified to carry. Name your favorite restriction, it all boils down to the one common denominator--the idea that the average man should not be given such power to defend life and liberty.
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I think he represents a part of LEO establishment, particularly common in states that do restrict RKBA, that believes only the police are sufficiently qualified to carry. Name your favorite restriction, it all boils down to the one common denominator--the idea that the average man should not be given such power to defend life and liberty.
This is an overly broad statement.

Yes, there are some LEOs who feel that way, but most who you *think* feel that way dont....they have a much more moderated stance that perhaps the gun itself isnt the only answer. Perhaps a higher level of vetting/training/whatever and then go forth and be armed.

I am not on that side but it is still an understandable and reasonable stance, no matter who thinks that way. (even if you and I, dont agree with that stance)
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Maybe I was a tad harsh. I strongly disagree with him. I read his book some years back, and he did have some good stories.
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He's an old man and a product of another era. Cut him some slack.

people care because he is still on the board of the NRA.

you want an NRA board member to get a 'pass' ?

http://www.meetthenra.org/board-list
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people care because he is still on the board of the NRA.

you want an NRA board member to get a 'pass' ?

http://www.meetthenra.org/board-list

I will say again that he is an old man and a product of a different era. I think anyone with some common sense would take this into account, along with the guys long career, before judging him too harshly. Eric
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Juaquin Jackson was a Texas Ranger from 1966 to 1993. I have read of some of the things he has done and they remind me of things the old timers in my department would have done around the same time frame. I find it had to understand why he thinks mag capacity should be limited to 5 rounds.

I hear all this talk of Texas being a gunowner's paradise then I see this. WTF?
Uhhh your in California.....compared to that place Texas is a freaking firearm wonderland

As posted there are what 16 million of us in Texas. I don't think one guy speaking his mind takes away from our rich firearm heritage. I don't agree with him but I bet he would be a hoot to drink with
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Think of it from his perspective as a LEO from waaay back.
Texas Rangers have been able to carry about any gun they could buy and they for years were the only ones that bought those guns. Pay was often months late, they did the work out of a pride of being a Texan.
They were fighting against an enemy that could buy or steal any gun the wanted or needed at the time. Bank Robbers like Bonnie and Clyde, Bandido's running booze and dope all had better guns than the Rangers.
To say that for most of the history of the Texas Rangers they operated totally out gunned, would not be an understatement. A lot of Ranger died because of it.
Now take this guy who was born in 1935 and take him out and show him what a modern M4 is capable of. It will scare the living crap out of him, because from his perspective, only the bad guys will have those guns and again,..Rangers will die.
Look, I wish we could sit these guys down and educate them. For the most part it's like an argument with your Dad, nobody wins.

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Find a gun with five or less rounds that any of us would want to carry would be some epic quest in itself .
You are right. Hey everyone please send me all those J-Frame S&W pocket guns in .38 Special +p or .357 magnum you don't want to carry. Thank you.
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