[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by redbaron007

However, I digress.....you comments underlined identify you as an elitist (or wish you were) of some sort. Carry on with your blabbering.



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Don't be too hard on him, just chalk it up to his youthful exuberance. When I was his age, a few years of active duty Army experience under my belt, survivalist/combat mentality and all that j***, you would not see me caught dead in anything but OD Green or Black synthetic gears (leathers weren't durable enough, had to be nylon or kydex), black combat guns that can be fired ten million rounds without breaking or cleaning, etc.

Fast forward two decades, I finally realized that life is too short and that there's really no zombies or Red Dawn invasion.

[mjkeat]

Like stated in my post earlier today, this is the reason I didn't want to post my findings. I'm not going to take the time to address each comment individually. A lot of your replies were based on the misunderstanding of what I said.

If someone can find an extra $150 laying around they can find another $150 to $200 for a used firearm of quality. Stop eating fast food for a couple months. Elitist I am not. I am suffering as much as the next guy in this economy. I do however put a lot of priority in quality firearms when it comes to defending life.

My sample of 3 is not very large. However, it is 3 times as much as most of the detractors saying they would carry a hi-point. 0-3 is not a good record. There's no arguing that fact.

Do what you want, carry a stick w/ nails in it for all it's worth. I posted here for those who may stumble across this thread and be led to think hi-point is a viable option for carry.

I'll never understand the "good enough" defeatist mentality.

Shame on me for recommending people choose quality when deciding on a firearm that could save human life.

Have at it.

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by mjkeat

If someone can find an extra $150 laying around they can find another $150 to $200 for a used firearm of quality. Stop eating fast food for a couple months.

So, a woman who finally had enough of being slapped around by her significant others and decided to get a court order against the guy. The guy threatens to kill her, she's gonna starve for a few months to save up $300 to buy a good gun?

What happens if the guy were to want to kill her that night? Is three months down the road for a SW M10 or a used Glock 17 going to do her any good? Or a $50 Jennings that day will serve her better?

See, you'd know this argument if you had been around long enough because we discussed the same thing back in the 1980s about whether or not it's a good idea to own Saturday Night Specials. You may think that you know a lot of things about shootings and guns, or even have new ideas about shootings and guns. Guess what? Others have already thought of it.

[mjkeat]

Originally Posted by fnfalman

So,...

Let's wait to become a victim before deciding to protect ourselves? Sounds backward.

Sounds like a liberal w/ their lame attempt to play on emotion.

Edit: Who said starve? Fast-food is a luxury. If you choose luxuries over self preservation, well... Survival of the fittest.

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by mjkeat

Let's wait to become a victim before deciding to protect ourselves? Sounds backward.

Sounds like a liberal w/ their lame attempt to play on emotion.

Oh, so you're now a psychologist that understands the mentality of abused women?

Wow, a professionally trained soldier and scholar.

With women-hating neocons like you, no wonder Obama won again.

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by mjkeat

Edit: Who said starve? Fast-food is a luxury. If you choose luxuries over self preservation, well... Survival of the fittest.

Survival of the fittest indeed, and the fittest is the one with the gun at that moment and not months down the road.

[mjkeat]

Originally Posted by fnfalman

Yeah, you're right. The abused woman should go out and buy a gun before hand so that she can piss the dude off even more, or better yet, he's going to take it and use it on her.

Oh, tactical genius you!!!

With neocons like you, no wonder Obama won again.

What if, what if, what if. Imaginary BS.

I'm going to pretend you actually don't believe the things you say and are just playing devils advocate for entertainment purposes. Please say it's so.

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by mjkeat

What if, what if, what if. Imaginary BS.

I'm going to pretend you actually don't believe the things you say and are just playing devils advocate for entertainment purposes. Please say it's so.

Talking about what if, you're the one that thinks it's OK for a woman who is in fear for her life to save up a few months before she can buy a decent gun. Yeah, what if the guy were to change his mind and let her go, right? What if he actually would obey the restraint order, right? What if he decided that he was a bad boy and apologizes to her and then leave her alone, right?

Tell me that you would actually believe a psycho would let a woman alone long enough for her to save up money to buy a decent handgun.

[mjkeat]

Originally Posted by fnfalman

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Did I say that or are you doing what you always do. Mr. Strawman at it again.

Or did I recommend that everyone plan ahead instead of waiting to be in such a predicament (a victim)? That's a rhetorical question.

My point has been stated. You can make all the false assumptions. Good luck with your post count.

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by mjkeat

Did I say that or are you doing what you always do. Mr. Strawman at it again.

Or did I recommend that everyone plan ahead instead of waiting to be in such a predicament (a victim)? That's a rhetorical question.

My point has been stated. You can make all the false assumptions. Good luck with your post count.

You can recommend all you want but real life ain't perfect.

Not every woman growing up going to think that she's going to hook up with an abuser. Not every woman growing going to get Ninja training.

Life doesn't pan out the way people like them to pan out. Of course, if you've lived long enough you would see how unpredictable life is. It's easy to be high and mighty when you're barely out of your teens.

[mjkeat]

Originally Posted by fnfalman

You can recommend all you want but real life ain't perfect.

Not every woman growing up going to think that she's going to hook up with an abuser. Not every woman growing going to get Ninja training.

Thank you for proving my point.

Knowing how unpradictable life is tell me why anyone should wait until they've been victimized before taking the personable responsability to protect themself.

You admit that you never know when you may be victimized but recommend against planning ahead. This sort of thinking saddens me. It's also the type of thinking that creates soft targets.

Edit: If you're going to respond make a better effort to be cognoscente

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by mjkeat

Thank you for proving my point.

Knowing how unpradictable life is tell me why anyone should wait until they've been victimized before taking the personable responsability to protect themself.

Because that's how it is with most people. Wishing it any other way isn't going to change how real life works.

You admit that you never know when you may be victimized but recommend against planning ahead. This sort of thinking saddens me. It's also the type of thinking that creates soft targets.

I don't recommend against planning ahead. I simply show you how life works out and how cheap guns can come in handy for certain people.

Edit: If you're going to respond make a better effort to be cognoscente

I try to relay to you how real life works, but your youthful arrogance keeps getting in the way.

[redbaron007]

Originally Posted by fnfalman

Don't be too hard on him, just chalk it up to his youthful exuberance. When I was his age, a few years of active duty Army experience under my belt, survivalist/combat mentality and all that j***, you would not see me caught dead in anything but OD Green or Black synthetic gears (leathers weren't durable enough, had to be nylon or kydex), black combat guns that can be fired ten million rounds without breaking or cleaning, etc.

Fast forward two decades, I finally realized that life is too short and that there's really no zombies or Red Dawn invasion.

Now......That explains a lot!

Originally Posted by mjkeat

Like stated in my post earlier today, this is the reason I didn't want to post my findings. I'm not going to take the time to address each comment individually. A lot of your replies were based on the misunderstanding of what I said.

If someone can find an extra $150 laying around they can find another $150 to $200 for a used firearm of quality. Stop eating fast food for a couple months. Elitist I am not. I am suffering as much as the next guy in this economy. I do however put a lot of priority in quality firearms when it comes to defending life.

My sample of 3 is not very large. However, it is 3 times as much as most of the detractors saying they would carry a hi-point. 0-3 is not a good record. There's no arguing that fact.

Do what you want, carry a stick w/ nails in it for all it's worth. I posted here for those who may stumble across this thread and be led to think hi-point is a viable option for carry.

I'll never understand the "good enough" defeatist mentality.

Shame on me for recommending people choose quality when deciding on a firearm that could save human life.

Have at it.

Did your assumption of,"If someone can find an extra $150 laying around they can find another $150 to $200 for a used firearm of quality.", is absolute poopycock! For many, that could take a year or so depending on their budget. So, in your world, it is better for them to wait and pass on a HiPoint, in order for them to purchase a 'quality' firearm. So in summary, they shall be unarmed for a year or so; only to be defenseless...because you think a HiPoint wouldn't be a quality tool?

Keep typing!

Originally Posted by mjkeat

Thank you for proving my point.

Knowing how unpradictable life is tell me why anyone should wait until they've been victimized before taking the personable responsability to protect themself.

You admit that you never know when you may be victimized but recommend against planning ahead. This sort of thinking saddens me. It's also the type of thinking that creates soft targets.

Edit: If you're going to respond make a better effort to be cognoscente

I think he was advocating for that it is better to have a HiPoint, than to be defenseless while saving for that 'quality' firearm.

mjkeat...you are entertaining, if anything!



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[mjkeat]

I knew my hands on factual report on hi-points wouldn't go over well. The lash back was expected.

What I didn't expect was that people would rather an individual arm themself w/ junk then plan ahead.

Did everyone here wait to be victimized before purchasing a defensive firearm and checking that it functioned properly w/ their choice of defensive ammunition? I hope not.

If anyone thinks that the average US citizen doesn't have disposable/wasted income they are living under a rock. Think of how much money you waste eating fast-food or at restaurants instead of PB&J at home. What kind of vehicle do you drive. I bet it's more than you need. Does it have a radio, cd player, electric windows? What kind of gas mileage does it get? Do you ever throw a candy-bar in the cart while waiting in line at the grocery store? Do you make your own clothing? Due you have cable tv, internet, a tv, a computer? All extras.

My point is there are a lot of areas we can cut back. If a reliable defensive weapon is important it is easily attainable for the majority of use.

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by mjkeat

I knew my hands on factual report on hi-points wouldn't go over well. The lash back was expected.

What I didn't expect was that people would rather an individual arm themself w/ junk then plan ahead.

Did everyone here wait to be victimized before purchasing a defensive firearm and checking that it functioned properly w/ their choice of defensive ammunition? I hope not.

If anyone thinks that the average US citizen doesn't have disposable/wasted income they are living under a rock. Think of how much money you waste eating fast-food or at restaurants instead of PB&J at home. What kind of vehicle do you drive. I bet it's more than you need. Does it have a radio, cd player, electric windows? What kind of gas mileage does it get? Do you ever throw a candy-bar in the cart while waiting in line at the grocery store? Do you make your own clothing? Due you have cable tv, internet, a tv, a computer? All extras.

My point is there are a lot of areas we can cut back. If a reliable defensive weapon is important it is easily attainable for the majority of use.

So according to you, there are no poor people in America? Everybody is rich and can just conk out $300 or more for a handgun at any time, huh?

Your lack of life experience betrays you.

[redbaron007]

Originally Posted by mjkeat

I knew my hands on factual report on hi-points wouldn't go over well. The lash back was expected.

What I didn't expect was that people would rather an individual arm themself w/ junk then plan ahead.

Did everyone here wait to be victimized before purchasing a defensive firearm and checking that it functioned properly w/ their choice of defensive ammunition? I hope not.

If anyone thinks that the average US citizen doesn't have disposable/wasted income they are living under a rock. Think of how much money you waste eating fast-food or at restaurants instead of PB&J at home. What kind of vehicle do you drive. I bet it's more than you need. Does it have a radio, cd player, electric windows? What kind of gas mileage does it get? Do you ever throw a candy-bar in the cart while waiting in line at the grocery store? Do you make your own clothing? Due you have cable tv, internet, a tv, a computer? All extras.

My point is there are a lot of areas we can cut back. If a reliable defensive weapon is important it is easily attainable for the majority of use.

You are either playing devils advocate or not in touch with all aspects of life.



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[redbaron007]

Originally Posted by mjkeat

I knew my hands on factual report on hi-points wouldn't go over well. The lash back was expected.

What I didn't expect was that people would rather an individual arm themself w/ junk then plan ahead.

Did everyone here wait to be victimized before purchasing a defensive firearm and checking that it functioned properly w/ their choice of defensive ammunition? I hope not.

If anyone thinks that the average US citizen doesn't have disposable/wasted income they are living under a rock. Think of how much money you waste eating fast-food or at restaurants instead of PB&J at home. What kind of vehicle do you drive. I bet it's more than you need. Does it have a radio, cd player, electric windows? What kind of gas mileage does it get? Do you ever throw a candy-bar in the cart while waiting in line at the grocery store? Do you make your own clothing? Due you have cable tv, internet, a tv, a computer? All extras.

My point is there are a lot of areas we can cut back. If a reliable defensive weapon is important it is easily attainable for the majority of use.

No offense......but do you still live at home with a relative, like parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles?




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[mjkeat]

Originally Posted by fnfalman

So according to you, there are no poor people in America? Everybody is rich and can just conk out $300 or more for a handgun at any time, huh?

Your lack of life experience betrays you.

Are you impared? How do you come to that conclusion after reading anything I've typed. I myself am lower middle class (could qualify for aide if we applied) and will probably never leave middle class status.

That said even I waste money. I recently took my family out to dinner, purchased tickets to take my son to watch the monster trucks, stopped by Arby's for fries and a rootbeer, my wife gets her hair cut at a trendy salon, drive a new vehicle, put my son in brand name clothing, and more "extras". Hell, we just spent over a grand in baby furniture for my unborn daughter. This type of spending is common in our country.

Those things could easily add up to a used G19/17 or J-Frame and a box of defensive ammunition as well as some instruction.

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by mjkeat

Are you impared? How do you come to that conclusion after reading anything I've typed. I myself am lower middle class (could qualify for aide if we applied) and will probably never leave middle class status.

That said even I waste money. I recently took my family out to dinner, purchased tickets to take my son to watch the monster trucks, stopped by Arby's for fries and a rootbeer, my wife gets her hair cut at a trendy salon, drive a new vehicle, put my son in brand name clothing, and more "extras". Hell, we just spent over a grand in baby furniture for my unborn daughter. This type of spending is common in our country.

Those things could easily add up to a used G19/17 or J-Frame and a box of defensive ammunition as well as some instruction.

Do you have problem with understanding of written English language?

There are people in America that cannot afford a $300 gun. OK? There are people in America that can hardly save $50 or $100. How they became that way is irrelevant, but it is a fact of life.

BTW, it's "impaired" and not "impared."

[mjkeat]

Originally Posted by fnfalman

Do you have problem with understanding of written English language?

There are people in America that cannot afford a $300 gun. OK? There are people in America that can hardly save $50 or $100. How they became that way is irrelevant, but it is a fact of life.

BTW, it's "impaired" and not "impared."

Show me someone that you think can't afford a used quality firearm and I'll show you a person that wastes money on luxuries.

When you can string together a few words into a proper sentence you can approach me about one misspelled word.

You'll never get it as you don't posses the capacity to do so. Not your fault. Genetics?

[ZombieJoe]

Originally Posted by mjkeat

Show me someone that you think can't afford a used quality firearm and I'll show you a person that wastes money on luxuries.

When you can string together a few words into a proper sentence you can approach me about one misspelled word.

You'll never get it as you don't posses the capacity to do so. Not your fault. Genetics?

A woman 1 day out of a abusive relationship, who needs protection ASAP.

No one is arguing that they're not better options out there. But how do you not see that some thing is better then nothing?

[bac1023]

What a thread this has turned into!!

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by mjkeat

Show me someone that you think can't afford a used quality firearm and I'll show you a person that wastes money on luxuries.

Go into a ghetto and see. Plenty of people living hand to mouth.

When you can string together a few words into a proper sentence you can approach me about one misspelled word.

English is my second language. What's your excuse?

You'll never get it as you don't posses the capacity to do so. Not your fault. Genetics?

Once again, u speekee engrish? Probably not your fault. Genetics?

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by ZombieJoe

A woman 1 day out of a abusive relationship, who needs protection ASAP.

No one is arguing that they're not better options out there. But how do you not see that some thing is better then nothing?

Because according to him, this woman should have "planned ahead". Planned ahead for the day that she would hook up with a guy that would slap her around. Planned ahead for the day that she would say no more.

She should have been trained to be a mind reader if not at least a psychologist so that she could filter out the "bad" people.

She should have been trained for combat; hand-to-hand, edged weapons, firearms, to anticipate the day that she would decide to leave her abuser.

[ZombieJoe]