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Old 01-14-2013, 17:25   #101
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In theory the op is correct. The NRA has cultivated a congress that should hold up against any gun control effort. But,,,, the heavy media assault being placed on these members may change some minds. It will be hard to measure until actual voting takes place but our side could loose in some ways.
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Old 01-14-2013, 20:17   #102
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In addition to the bill(s) to be proposed, they are now touting 19 possible executive orders pertaining to guns
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...ons-86187.html
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Old 01-14-2013, 20:50   #103
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The 1994 AWB caused the left in congress to get creamed in the mid-term election. Let's all hope the same thing happens in 2014.
Let's hope not, because it did get passed and we suffered through ten years of it even with the mid-term elections showing the left that it was political suicide.

Besides, it really makes no difference to us in CA, we have our own AWB which is worse than the federal and will never sunset.
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Old 01-14-2013, 23:41   #104
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Executive bilateral actions!?!?!?!

Simply amazing.......Hail Dictator Obama.
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Old 01-16-2013, 13:12   #105
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Let's hope not, because it did get passed and we suffered through ten years of it even with the mid-term elections showing the left that it was political suicide.

Besides, it really makes no difference to us in CA, we have our own AWB which is worse than the federal and will never sunset.
I miss-spoke there. I didn't mean I wanted the ban to be re-instated, I meant that if it is re-instated the left gets creamed again.

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Executive bilateral actions!?!?!?!

Simply amazing.......Hail Dictator Obama.
It actually ended up being 23, and they are all pretty mundane.

The following is a list, provided by the White House, of executive actions President Obama plans to take to address gun violence.
1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
11. Nominate an ATF director.
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
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Old 01-16-2013, 20:21   #106
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Regardless of what they actually do the fact he signed 23 order to explicitly avoid congress before even giving them the chance to enact law speaks VOLUMES!!!!!!

Regardless of what happens with the ban remember this and in 2014 we need to turn the senate.
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Old 01-16-2013, 21:28   #107
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1) We control the House
2) SCOTUS ruled the 2nd amendment is a RIGHT
3) The Liberals are panicking as they lose their gun control narrative!
4) Executive Order will accomplish nothing as obama has no authority to issue new law! He's out of place here and will easily lose any court battle!
5) The gun control tide is losing steam and were winning the majority of all gun control polls, And the NRA is gaining as many as 8K new members a day!

You sir, are a prophet!
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Old 01-16-2013, 21:59   #108
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Regardless of what they actually do the fact he signed 23 order to explicitly avoid congress before even giving them the chance to enact law speaks VOLUMES!!!!!!.
IMPEACH OBAMA NOW !!!!!!!!!
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:11   #109
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Regardless of what they actually do the fact he signed 23 order to explicitly avoid congress before even giving them the chance to enact law speaks VOLUMES!!!!!!

Regardless of what happens with the ban remember this and in 2014 we need to turn the senate.
Hey, I'm all for fighting, but it's best to work with the right info. The 23 EOs that were actually signed were NOT done to explicitly avoid congress. They are each exactly what the executive branch is supposed to make decisions on, whether we agree with them on principle or not.

Congress still has the ultimate authority on any one of these because they can block the federal funds necessary to implement EOs. This has been done before with the shotgun importation study in 2011 being just one example.

In short, there is no way any president can use an EO without Congressional consent, and it doesn't look like any of these particular EOs are generating significant controversy.
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Old 01-17-2013, 04:10   #110
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IMPEACH OBAMA NOW !!!!!!!!!
Good luck getting that through the Senate.
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Old 01-17-2013, 09:03   #111
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Good luck getting that through the Senate.
Don't matter, as long as the House has the cajones to draw up the articles, it will taint the administration in history forever.
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Old 01-17-2013, 09:55   #112
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Please no more talk of impeachment. President clown and his circus are going to have a lot to answer for in the 2014 elections. They don't need any sympathy, because mean ole republicans are trying to impeach the first black president.
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Old 01-17-2013, 10:16   #113
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Well, the 23 E.O.s were nothing but a bunch of political hot air/smoke & mirrors, so now the fight is right back to the legislature.

But people are calming down now. Sandy Hook is fading from the collective memory, and those 23 E.O.s are going to make some idiots think that obummer actually did something about guns, which will calm the retards down even more.
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Old 01-17-2013, 22:57   #114
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Please no more talk of impeachment. President clown and his circus are going to have a lot to answer for in the 2014 elections. They don't need any sympathy, because mean ole republicans are trying to impeach the first black president.
Bill Clinton was the first black president. Barack is the first half black president.
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Old 01-17-2013, 23:01   #115
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As long as their are no more Sandyhook's, I think the OP is correct. Another SH, and we will be lucky if an AWB is all that happens.

The litmus test will be the new NY AWB. I hope it is challenged in court and struck down.
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Old 01-18-2013, 01:16   #116
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They understand this and have started from another angle. Look closely at what they are proposing. The will tie gun ownership through obamacare. Folks who have had any issues with any type of mental health will be banned from gun ownership. It will take this system a while to get geared up but trust me it is coming.
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Old 01-18-2013, 18:30   #117
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Yep King Obamamoa has subverted the rule of law many times why would this be any different. Did he not give amnesty to illegals already? Illegally ran guns into Mexico? Got away with murdering thousands down there! And you stupid people voted him back into office!! And you expect anything different in the next 4 years! You all are truely stupid!
Let's not forget, the Republicans got the Supreme Court to declare corporations are persons. Based on that, anything is possible.
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Well, the 23 E.O.s were nothing but a bunch of political hot air/smoke & mirrors, so now the fight is right back to the legislature.

But people are calming down now. Sandy Hook is fading from the collective memory, and those 23 E.O.s are going to make some idiots think that obummer actually did something about guns, which will calm the retards down even more.
True enough
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Those 23 E.O.'s are what's called "incremental-ism". You are a fool to assume they are harmless. You so misunderstand and underestimate your opponent[s].
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Let's not forget, the Republicans got the Supreme Court to declare corporations are persons. Based on that, anything is possible.
Actually, that is not entirely accurate.

Corporations, under the theory of corporations, which date back centuries, are considered legal entities with rights and responsibilities like any other legal entity, such as an adult person.

Corporations can enter into contracts like anyone else and avail itself of pretty much anything else like another legal entity under the law.

So the Citizens United holding just says that corporations should have the right to "speech" as any other entity... which is not as big a deal as you would think.

Political organizations like unions and churches and charities which are chartered under various laws, including being a non-profit 501 corporation as authorized by the tax code, are allowed to fund political campaigns and engage in "speech" on behalf of the entity. Why would a corporation be treated any differently?
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