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Old 10-07-2013, 11:51   #1
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Moon Clip Question

Stupid question.... I have a buddy that is looking at a S&W 640 Pro .357/.38 right now, and it uses moon clips. He is a little apprehensive about it because he doesn't know if he can shoot it without moon clips at the range or possibly for defense. I would think that it would be ok since it is a rimmed cartridge. Any ideas? Thanks!


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Old 10-07-2013, 11:59   #2
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I may be ignorant, but I have never heard of a 38/357 using moon-clips

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Old 10-07-2013, 12:50   #3
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Most revolvers cut for clips in conventional revolver calibers will have enough original surface of cylinder and extractor to work with loose ammo.
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Old 10-07-2013, 13:15   #4
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Stupid question.... I have a buddy that is looking at a S&W 640 Pro .357/.38 right now, and it uses moon clips. He is a little apprehensive about it because he doesn't know if he can shoot it without moon clips at the range or possibly for defense. I would think that it would be ok since it is a rimmed cartridge. Any ideas? Thanks!


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Rimmed cartridges, such as .38 Sp. & .357 Mag, do NOT require moon clips. RimLESS cartridges, e.g., .45ACP, do require moon clips in revolvers. E.G., my S&W 625 uses moon clips for .45ACP, but shooting .45 Auto Rim does not require moon clips, as the cases are rimmed.

Never heard of a .38/.357 using moon clips.

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Old 10-07-2013, 13:47   #5
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http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...40-pro-series/

Here's the gun. It uses moon clips. I would assume that it with a rimmed cartridge that it should work.....
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Here's the gun. It uses moon clips. I would assume that it with a rimmed cartridge that it should work.....
I'll be damned!
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Old 10-07-2013, 14:16   #7
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Revolver speed shoots made the conversions very popular, but outside of that use, I'd rather not use them. A bent clip can tie up the gun, so for rimmed cartridges I'd rather have a conventional speed loader.

I have an SP-101 in 9mm and the clips work fine, but they don't forgive any abuse.

http://www.tkcustom.com/

http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/moonclip.htm

http://tenring.com/moon-clip-conversions/
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Old 10-07-2013, 15:02   #8
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I have a 642 pro that takes moon clips. 38 special. I like it. Also have a 624 mikulec in 45acp that takes moon clips. sooner or later I am going to get the cylinder's beveled to make the insertion of the moon clips a little faster.
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Old 10-07-2013, 15:34   #9
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390ish- I believe you have a 625.

Pointnopoint- The 640 Pro should have a raised edge on the cylinder face allowing .38/.357 to headspace without moon clips.
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Old 10-07-2013, 15:44   #10
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Added comment.

There are some people that don't like Moon clips on cartridges as long as .38 Special and .357 Magnum, because they can wiggle out of alignment and make chambering a little more difficult. They then recommend Moon clips of pairs of cartridges rather than all six.

One of my Rhino's takes Moon clips the other is too early and does not.
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Old 10-07-2013, 16:25   #11
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I'll be damned!

That makes two of us. That is the first time that I have heard of a 38/357 that uses moon clips.

I would suggest that the OP contact S&W and have S&W advise him as to the correct procedure

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Old 10-07-2013, 16:57   #12
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Here's the gun. It uses moon clips. I would assume that it with a rimmed cartridge that it should work.....
Yes, he can shoot the gun while using the moonclips or not.
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Old 10-07-2013, 17:53   #13
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Yes, he can shoot the gun while using the moonclips or not.
Yep, the 38SPL and, 357 Mag are rimmed cartridges. So you don't have to use them. But, you have the option.

Now, revolvers like the S&W 610 (10MM/40 S&W) and, the S&W 625 (45 ACP) are are a different story.
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Old 10-07-2013, 18:54   #14
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Converting my Ruger GP-100 to moonclips sped up the reloads compared to fumbling with speed loaders. However, I found that certain kinds of brass (Winchester in particular) wouldn't work at all with moonclips. Remington .38 and .357 mag brass worked the best.

You friend will also need a device to put the rimmed cases into the moonclips and of course a device to remove them. TK Custom sells these and the owner is a great guy.

My experience with my GP-100 and my SW 625s indicates that a moonclip has to be bent quite a bit before it will "tie up the gun". However, always check your clips for flatness before any match or concealed carry usage.

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Old 10-07-2013, 19:28   #15
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I have a Model 27 that uses moon clips and it will function fine without them.


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Old 10-07-2013, 20:09   #16
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I've been thinking about having my Ruger Super Redhawk done. It would shoot .454, .45 Colt, and .45ACP.

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Old 10-08-2013, 06:52   #17
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With 625s the argument of moon clips bending is pretty moot. I've shot thousands of rounds through my 6 625s and have never personally bent a moon clip. They are pretty strong and take quite a bit of force to bend. I have the same batch of clips I started with over a decade ago. They have been carried for CCW and used many times in competition without any bending.

My 940 9mm moon slips are thinner and should be more prone to bending, but I've yet to bend one of those either.

The Ruger SP101 9mm clips are a pretty flimsy design and I have seen those bend. I wouldn't own one of those anyway so it doesn't concern me.
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Old 10-08-2013, 08:12   #18
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390ish- I believe you have a 625.

Pointnopoint- The 640 Pro should have a raised edge on the cylinder face allowing .38/.357 to headspace without moon clips.
You are so right. 625-something. Has a 4" tube. I have not had a drink in two years and I make less sense by the minute.
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Old 10-11-2013, 22:09   #19
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It came with my Pro series 627, Performance center 627 and 586 L-Comp. It's not easy to put rounds onto one. One a revolver with 7-8 rounds, it's not that easy to do it that quickly. Then, they're a pain to remove the spent casings without bending them. Using a moonclip is not a necessity on these specific models.
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Old 10-11-2013, 23:13   #20
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I would not shoot a revolver that was setup for clip use without a moon clip or pair clips. Just think about it. The clip spaces out the ass end of the brass between the back of the cylinder and the breach face in the frame. If it's a 9mm, 10mm, .45acp or some other auto pistol round it's a complete mistake to try and shoot without clips. If it is a rimmed round like a .38, .357, 41 mag or 44mag how is the firing pin going to impact the primer. It will just push the round forward without the added thickness of the clip.

come on folks,,, really?

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