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Old 12-24-2012, 11:04   #51
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Yeah, that one is a great value. Why pay $2500 for a Wilson when you can get a Taurus for a fifth of the price with the same features?
Then again, needing some other guy to build and improve your 1911 is like having a custom hot rod or chopper that some other guy built and not knowing how to fix it. Traditionally, the pride is in making it, not just owning it.

I'd take more pride in a Taurus that I turned into a great gun than in a Wilson I took out of a box.
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Old 12-24-2012, 19:09   #52
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I have a PT1911 that I've had for six years now. I have close to 10k rounds through it. It has never had a single issue. Would I like a nice 1911 at some point? Sure. But I'm happy to shoot this one until it doesn't run anymore.
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Old 12-25-2012, 13:20   #53
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Then again, needing some other guy to build and improve your 1911 is like having a custom hot rod or chopper that some other guy built and not knowing how to fix it. Traditionally, the pride is in making it, not just owning it.

I'd take more pride in a Taurus that I turned into a great gun than in a Wilson I took out of a box.


I wouldn't spend a dime trying to turn a Taurus into a great gun, but to each their own.

Sorry, but I'd take more pride in the Wilson. If you want a base gun to customize, you start with a Colt, not a Taurus. You don't sink money into a Taurus.
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Old 12-25-2012, 13:34   #54
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So why exactly do we need to have a who's dick is bigger debate every time a new thread starts? Some people like Colts or Wilsons or maybe even Taurus. Does it really matter what logo is stamped on the slide as long as the owner is happy with his/her purchase? I have a Colt and I also have a Taurus. Both shoot great. Neither has had a single issue. My PT1911 is my goto hunting side arm. Every time I pull the trigger it goes bang, and I don't worry about scuffing it up. They are tools. Nothing more.
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Old 12-25-2012, 13:53   #55
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Then again, needing some other guy to build and improve your 1911 is like having a custom hot rod or chopper that some other guy built and not knowing how to fix it. Traditionally, the pride is in making it, not just owning it.

I'd take more pride in a Taurus that I turned into a great gun than in a Wilson I took out of a box.
Yeah, I'll take owning a Ferrari over a hopped up Kia any day of the week. Don't care who built either.
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Old 12-25-2012, 13:55   #56
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So why exactly do we need to have a who's dick is bigger debate every time a new thread starts? Some people like Colts or Wilsons or maybe even Taurus. Does it really matter what logo is stamped on the slide as long as the owner is happy with his/her purchase? I have a Colt and I also have a Taurus. Both shoot great. Neither has had a single issue. My PT1911 is my goto hunting side arm. Every time I pull the trigger it goes bang, and I don't worry about scuffing it up. They are tools. Nothing more.
Speaking for myself it's not about that. It's about which tools fail by far and large and which don't. Glad yours works though.
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Old 12-25-2012, 14:08   #57
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So why exactly do we need to have a who's dick is bigger debate every time a new thread starts? Some people like Colts or Wilsons or maybe even Taurus. Does it really matter what logo is stamped on the slide as long as the owner is happy with his/her purchase? I have a Colt and I also have a Taurus. Both shoot great. Neither has had a single issue. My PT1911 is my goto hunting side arm. Every time I pull the trigger it goes bang, and I don't worry about scuffing it up. They are tools. Nothing more.
That's cool, merry Christmas to you as well.

I was simply responding to a poster that quoted me and said he would take more pride in fixing up a Taurus and owning a Wilson. To each their own.

What I said was that's its foolish, in my opinion, to sink money into a Taurus. If you have one and it works great, consider yourself lucky and go on, much as you did. Unless you're just doing some cosmetic improvements like new grips or putting on a better set of sights for improved shooting, why the hell would you sink your hard earned into something that will never be worth more than a used Taurus?

Seriously, why would anyone waste time and money swapping out parts on their PT1911? It will never have the slide and frame fitting that a high end 1911 has and to try and remedy that would really be nuts. The whole concept is ridiculous and I'm sure most would agree.

Quite frankly, I don't give two damns who agrees with me and who doesn't. I never have and probably never will.

Other than a crappy ambi safety, my Taurus 1911 has never malfunctioned. However, I don't like Taurus' marketing nonsense and the way they rigged out their 1911 so cheaply just to include features. For instance, I'd take a smooth front strap over that chicken scratch they call checkering any day.

I'm all for the lower end 1911s. I have many and like them all. I'm not stuck on just shooting $2000+ models. I own several under $500 and a couple under $400, so if people still want to think of me as a 1911 snob, so be it. I'm just trying to be realistic here.
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Old 12-25-2012, 14:12   #58
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Yeah, I'll take owning a Ferrari over a hopped up Kia any day of the week. Don't care who built either.
Yeah, exactly.

That post was ridiculous. I'm glad people have good working Taurus 1911s. Mine has never had a firing malfunction either. However, to sink money into one just seems silly.

I'd take more pride in owning a stock Ferrari than I would a hopped up Hyundai, whether I did the work myself or not.

...and, by the way, I drive a Hyundai every day. Good cars, but certainly not something you sink money into to customize.
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Can the snobbery not end? How much of this is handed down perception vs. true 1st hand experience-- lotsa testimonials, but very few reasons. I own both SA and Taurus, as well as a Colt, Kimber, Sig. To tell you the truth, looking beyond the brand stamped on the frame, the "quality" "fit/finish" of the "Brand" is not worth the >50% price markup over the Taurus, to me, since they function the same. That's just me.

That is the whole point of this-- you can get both a winner or loser with a 1911 no matter what "The Brand"... The $$Brand$$ can have it losers too, as well as the inexpensive brand-- so you have holding in your hand an expensive loser or a cheap loser.

I think this is where many people throw up their hands, go for a $500 polymer gun.
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BAC, I wasn't trying to slam anyone. So sorry if you took it that way. And I hope you are having a Merry Christmas. I just get tired of the my gun is better than yours threads that often happen in the 1911 and AR world. Far too many times we tend to tell people that they have subpar guns without explaining the reasons for that belief. My Cold is a safe queen. Mainly because it is a 1913 production that belonged to my grandfather. It is an excellent example of everything done right on a fine platform. I do cherish the times it does make it to the range. Are there better 1911s than the PT? Sure. But for the money I paid, about $500 out the door, you'd be hard pressed to find a better gun.
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Old 12-25-2012, 15:07   #61
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Yeah, I'll take owning a Ferrari over a hopped up Kia any day of the week. Don't care who built either.
Unless that hopped up Kia whoops your ass on a race course. Then it'd be awkward...
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Unless that hopped up Kia whoops your ass on a race course. Then it'd be awkward...
True, there are exceptions but I'll play the odds.
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BAC, I wasn't trying to slam anyone. So sorry if you took it that way. And I hope you are having a Merry Christmas. I just get tired of the my gun is better than yours threads that often happen in the 1911 and AR world. Far too many times we tend to tell people that they have subpar guns without explaining the reasons for that belief. My Cold is a safe queen. Mainly because it is a 1913 production that belonged to my grandfather. It is an excellent example of everything done right on a fine platform. I do cherish the times it does make it to the range. Are there better 1911s than the PT? Sure. But for the money I paid, about $500 out the door, you'd be hard pressed to find a better gun.
I certainly respect your opinion. I personally find the Filipino 1911s to be better values, but that's just my opinion.

Like I said, it's good you have a very reliable Taurus.
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FWIW, I'd rather have her in the passenger seat than Vin Diesel... but hey..... different strokes....
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No, not at all. A lot of folk bash the PT-1911 but for a sub $400 1911 it will function fine with a forged frame & slide and not let you down.
Unless you shear the lugs off teh barrel or other malady due to a poorly fitted barrel , then send it back and have a go around for 6 months with custimer service on using "hot loads"..
This happened to one of our officers.. I would say no ..to a taurii...
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Unless you shear the lugs off teh barrel or other malady due to a poorly fitted barrel , then send it back and have a go around for 6 months with custimer service on using "hot loads"..
This happened to one of our officers.. I would say no ..to a taurii...
Inconsistency has always been Taurus' biggest issue.
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Unless you shear the lugs off teh barrel or other malady due to a poorly fitted barrel , then send it back and have a go around for 6 months with customer service on using "hot loads"..
This happened to one of our officers..


I would avoid 'hot loads' in the first place and if need be fit a new barrel. I don't need any warranty service for any of my 1911s
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The Twilight movies were successful, doesn't make them good movies.
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They were 'good' to a lot of other people though.

BTW- That's prolly the stupidest analogy I've ever seen on GT, congrats. Dude, you can bash the PT-1911 better than that!
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My GI is dated 05 & was still a US made gun. Reason for not selling it.
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I would avoid 'hot loads' in the first place and if need be fit a new barrel. I don't need any warranty service for any of my 1911s

I interpreted the quotes around "hot loads" as in Taurus accused him of using hot loads, even though he hadn't, as an excuse to try and not cover the repair under warranty.

I could be way off the mark, however.
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Then again, needing some other guy to build and improve your 1911 is like having a custom hot rod or chopper that some other guy built and not knowing how to fix it. Traditionally, the pride is in making it, not just owning it.

I'd take more pride in a Taurus that I turned into a great gun than in a Wilson I took out of a box.
So you ride a bling-bling Honda & not a Harley?

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My GI is dated 05 & was still a US made gun. Reason for not selling it.
Just a spoiler,.........it IS a Brazillian made GI.
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