[MajorD]

That Springfield is nothing but a glorified import house is not exactly a news flash. They never made a fully made in USA 1911. I WILL concede they make a good 1911 but don't care for the deceptive advertising. Same goes for Blackhawks nylon products- made in Vietnam
The only product they ever made completely in the USA with American parts was the early m1A but that has not been the case in at least 2 decades

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by MajorD

That Springfield is nothing but a glorified import house is not exactly a news flash. They never made a fully made in USA 1911. I WILL concede they make a good 1911 but don't care for the deceptive advertising. Same goes for Blackhawks nylon products- made in Vietnam
The only product they ever made completely in the USA with American parts was the early m1A but that has not been the case in at least 2 decades

Well, believe it or not but most shooters or gun owners do not know that Springfield Armory is an arms merchant and not a manufacturer.

[bac1023]

Originally Posted by FLIPPER 348

As for the <$400 PT-1911, I pre-ordered once I heard they were going to hit the market. I got one of the first run of Ruger 1911s the same was as the busiest FFL in Oregon is a friend.

Well, everyone else is paying $5 to $600 for them now.

[FLIPPER 348]

That happens with successful products.

[bac1023]

Originally Posted by FLIPPER 348

That happens with successful products.

It's been successful, but that doesn't necessarily mean its good.

There's no way you can tell me the PT is as good as others in its price range, like the Ruger, Desert Eagle, or STI Spartan.

[FLIPPER 348]

It's not as nice as the Ruger which is basically a stainless Caspian 1911 with above average parts. You could barely build a stainless Caspian with the parts included in the Ruger in the low $600s. I've no experience with the others you mention. The PT 1911 was a good value when it first came out but not worth what they are asking for them these days.

[glock2740]

Originally Posted by bac1023

You're next in the 1911-snob club, SG.

I nominate Joe as the president.

I'll take VP status, but YOU are da man.

[bac1023]

Originally Posted by FLIPPER 348

It's not as nice as the Ruger which is basically a stainless Caspian 1911 with above average parts. I've no experience with the others you mention. It was a good value when it first came out but not worth what they are asking for them these days.

Under $400 is a solid value, as long as you get a good one.

[MD357]

Successful to the misinformed buyers maybe, but they don't fly off the shelves like they used to.

[bac1023]

Originally Posted by MD357

Successful to the misinformed buyers maybe, but they don't fly off the shelves like they used to.

Yeah, I don't think they are selling like they used to. There are many better options now.

[cowboywannabe]

country or origin does not indicate quality nor does price.

some the best 1911s come from an island nation in the pacific and cost half that of a basic American made Colt.

[MD357]

Originally Posted by cowboywannabe

some the best 1911s come from an island nation in the pacific and cost half that of a basic American made Colt.

Some of the "best"?? um no..... not even close. If someone wanted a cheap 1911 that has honest quality they can go Norinco, or Ruger.

[FLIPPER 348]

....it's a good thing we don't have any 1911-snobs!

[bac1023]

Originally Posted by cowboywannabe

country or origin does not indicate quality nor does price.

some the best 1911s come from an island nation in the pacific and cost half that of a basic American made Colt.

I hope you're not implying the Filipino 1911s are some of the best. They're good in their price range.

When it comes to new 1911s, the price usually does equal quality.

Anybody thinking sub $500 1911s are some of the best, needs to learn a bit.

[bac1023]

Originally Posted by FLIPPER 348

....it's a good thing we don't have any 1911-snobs!

Pointing out facts does not make one a snob.

[sawgrass]

Originally Posted by bac1023

You're next in the 1911-snob club, SG.

I nominate Joe as the president.

The truth is ...once you 'go bl err...better you can't go back!' I don't have nearly as many 1911's as you guys, but the more I shoot the smooth ones, the less I enjoy the lesser worked models.

Don't forget guys, an afternoon with a single shot .22, a sammich and a cold Coca-Cola is truly nearly heaven. It's a fine hobby that we have chosen.

ETA: Bac I'll try and send you those BHP ser #'s after Christmas.
Thanks for being willing to look them up for me. Sorry for the drift but I don't expect to be on here very much over the next few days.

[wingspar]

I’ve had my Taurus PT 1911 just a little less than two months with just around 700 rounds thru it and 3 pairs of grips. I’ve had zero failures. I picked it up OTD for $615. Springfield was my first choice, but no where around here to look at one, and I didn’t feel like spending the amount of money they want for them. I asked a lot of questions and held the PT 1911 before I bought it, and I’m quite pleased with my decision.

Read this sticky from the Taurus forum on the Miami factory tour two mods made. It is quite long with lots of photos and good documentary and worth the read.

[bac1023]

Originally Posted by sawgrass

ETA: Bac I'll try and send you those BHP ser #'s after Christmas.
Thanks for being willing to look them up for me. Sorry for the drift but I don't expect to be on here very much over the next few days.

No problem, SG. Enjoy your holiday

[Spiffums]

Originally Posted by bac1023

Yeah, that one is a great value. Why pay $2500 for a Wilson when you can get a Taurus for a fifth of the price with the same features?

Wilson doesn't come with bling bling gold controls!

[bac1023]

Originally Posted by Spiffums

Wilson doesn't come with bling bling gold controls!

Very true

[Nakanokalronin]

I bought a PT1911 when they first came out for under $400, but it wasn't a good value in the slightest since it was a total POS, reliability, finish and quality wise.

[Ruggles]

Originally Posted by wingspar

I’ve had my Taurus PT 1911 just a little less than two months with just around 700 rounds thru it and 3 pairs of grips. I’ve had zero failures. I picked it up OTD for $615. Springfield was my first choice, but no where around here to look at one, and I didn’t feel like spending the amount of money they want for them. I asked a lot of questions and held the PT 1911 before I bought it, and I’m quite pleased with my decision.

Read this sticky from the Taurus forum on the Miami factory tour two mods made. It is quite long with lots of photos and good documentary and worth the read.

They seem to be hit or miss, a trait common to a number of Taurus semi autos. Alot of the abuse the PT1911 takes is from the ads they ran portraying it as a $1000+ gun for $500. They just were not accurate.

I liked the Para 1911s I owned, most on here do not care for that brand at all either.

This sub forum is not really a brand snob forum 95% of the time, now the Black Rifle Forum.....well that is a different story

[bac1023]

Originally Posted by Nakanokalronin

I bought a PT1911 when they first came out for under $400, but it wasn't a good value in the slightest since it was a total POS, reliability, finish and quality wise.

Yeah, some were really bad.

[glock2740]

Originally Posted by sawgrass

The truth is ... the more I shoot the smooth ones, the less I enjoy the lesser worked models.

Bingo.

[ca survivor]

Originally Posted by bac1023

The only thing Springfield's entry level 1911s and the Taurus have in common is their country of origin.

One is a high quality gun built from great IMBEL forgings and the other is a POS marketing gimmick.

I'm not sure why people compare them.

Agreed with you Sir. 100%