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12-26-2012, 04:48
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Originally Posted by pisc1024
Soon we will be saying "ah for the good old days".
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Yes unfortunately ...
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12-26-2012, 06:48
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If I was going to be limited to 10 rounds, I would get as much ft/lb energy as possible loaded into the gun. Probably would go for 10mm........ hmmm, maybe I'll switch to 10mm in any case!
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12-26-2012, 08:01
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Porschey Power!
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I normally carry my Ruger LC9 (7+1) or LCP (6+1) so Im under 10 anyway, and feel quite safe with that quantity. And since Im not in the market for any additional firearm, and I already have an abundant supply of "hi-caps" for my other pistols, a ban would have little affect on me, but if one were forced to take 10 rounds of either 9mm or 45acp, the fire power of the 45 would win out every time except for only two possible reasons;
1.Manageable recoil. If one were of smallish nature, and could not effectively get accurate/fast follow up shots because of said recoil.
2. Concealabillity. If your attire would limit the footprint size of your weapon.
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12-26-2012, 12:05
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#179
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Ditching my 9mm to a .45 ACP? No. That will make gun manufacturers happy. The 9mm is a powerhouse in itself, and I wouldn't worry about it. There are even people carrying single stack 1911s in 9mm and they wouldn't be affected if the ban happens. My favorite caliber for carry? Super .38 (on a commander-sized 1911).
BTW, bullet placement is still very important.
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12-26-2012, 12:10
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#180
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Quote:
Originally Posted by isuzu
My favorite caliber for carry? Super .38 (on a commander-sized 1911).
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Too bad the 9x23 didn't catch on. That was a REAL powerhouse.
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12-26-2012, 12:26
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#181
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Federally I doubt an AWB gets passed, but state level for me (Oregon) more laws are coming with a more democratic state legislature that was elected. If they don't grandfather anything than my full size gun will become a .45. (outside chance of a 8 shot .357) My carry is in 9mm and under 10rounds already. The 9mm as others have said is very capable, but I won't keep a full size G17 that only holds 10 rounds.
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12-26-2012, 12:37
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#182
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Made in Texas
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Stick to Sig 938 as EDC
Occasionally carry G20 and P30 in 9mm
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12-26-2012, 13:21
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I am thinking of switching because 9mm is getting impossible to find and I might as well go bigger and preserve my current magazines. Possibilities:
1. Sig Sauer P220(in some flavor)
2. CZ 75B in .40sw
3. 1911 in .45acp
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12-26-2012, 13:23
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IF it comes down to that, which I really hope it doesn't. I would probably finally just give into the single stack 9mm craze and pickup a shield for the comfort and slim profile. But still keep the 9mm platform as I am heavily invested in it.
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12-26-2012, 20:59
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is not cool.
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Nashua, NH
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pisc1024
Soon we will be saying "ah for the good old days".
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Only if we roll over and keep saying crap like that to ourselves and each other. Stand tall and stay strong, this is a culture war: is the best we can do to run and hide, expecting defeat when the first shot is fired?
I think not.
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12-26-2012, 21:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by carbuncle
Only if we roll over and keep saying crap like that to ourselves and each other. Stand tall and stay strong, this is a culture war: is the best we can do to run and hide, expecting defeat when the first shot is fired?
I think not.
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YES!! +1,000,000
I said it before (in this thread). The defeatism I'm witnessing is stunning and disappointing. I never expected my gun-brethren to turn tail and run like this.
· "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!" – Samuel Adams
"From my cold dead hands...." - Charlton Heston
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12-26-2012, 21:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by racer88
YES!! +1,000,000
I said it before (in this thread). The defeatism I'm witnessing is stunning and disappointing. I never expected my gun-brethren to turn tail and run like this.
· "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!" – Samuel Adams
"From my cold dead hands...." - Charlton Heston
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No one is running, but sticking ones head in the sand & saying it won't happen is just that, sticking your head in the sand. I think the best single thing we can do is join the NRA, then buy as much stuff as you can going forward. The one thing OBAMA has been good for is the gun & ammo industry. He is ironicly, solely responsible for almost doubling guns sales in the last 4yrs.
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12-26-2012, 22:01
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is not cool.
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I think the best we can do is contact all of our representatives and the leaders of the house and senate, renew our NRA memberships and remind them that caving is not an option, join 2AF and GOA if you're comfortable with them, and be excellent ambassadors of our sport, hobby and right as citizens. Debate logically and politely, provide facts where illogical arguments present themselves, and stand up and let non-shooters know we are not the faceless, demonized, ignorant masses the banners want to characterize us as.
We all have a part in this, it started last week and it is not to run and hide.
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12-27-2012, 04:45
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Already carry the .40, but if limited to just ten rounds the G-23 would be my choice as it is for many in already restricted states and areas.
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12-27-2012, 05:55
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This thread made me go ahead and back order a 17-rounder for my PX4 .40 and a pair of Gen 3 Pmags with windows. I'm going to fight the ban by writing/donating etc., but it'll be nice to have those on hand whether or not it passes.
I should note that I ordered from MidwayUSA, and though their shipping is always a touch steep, they are not participating at all in price gouging. I back ordered my Gen 3 Pmags for $17.50 each and my Beretta factory 17-rounder for $39 or so, both totally normal non-panic prices.
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12-27-2012, 07:10
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#191
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Location: South Florida
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cadillacguns
Already carry the .40, but if limited to just ten rounds the G-23 would be my choice as it is for many in already restricted states and areas.
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Same here, 10 rounds of .40 or .357 Sig out
of my G23 is better then 10 rounds out of my G19.
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12-27-2012, 07:45
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#192
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NRA & SAF mbr
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fredj338
No one is running, but sticking ones head in the sand & saying it won't happen is just that, sticking your head in the sand. I think the best single thing we can do is join the NRA, then buy as much stuff as you can going forward. The one thing OBAMA has been good for is the gun & ammo industry. He is ironicly, solely responsible for almost doubling guns sales in the last 4yrs. 
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I have not seen ANY posts calling for standing UP (and doing something like joining the NRA, SAF, et al) until your brief mention of the NRA there. All of the posts have amounted to lamentations and hand-wringing over the "inevitable."
I do agree with joining organizations dedicated to our rights. I am a member of both the NRA and SAF. I have been buying "stuff" for the last few years, and I'm SO glad I did. I'm "good-to-go" for quite a while. I still have my "wish list," but it will have to wait, I guess. It's ALL GONE for now.
My prediction: Nothing will happen (in the way of bans), because of the republican majority in the house and the actions of our organizations (NRA, SAF). Things will settle down. And all the naive speculators will be selling "stuff" at a major loss.
I hope I'm right!
PS... I also agree with the comments about making logical arguments to anyone and everyone willing to listen (and maybe even those not willing to listen). Over the past few years, I've actually been successful in converting some antis to our side. It works!
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12-27-2012, 10:46
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#193
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I usually only carry a .45 anyway and it holds 9+1 so it won't worry me too much anyway.
However I just bought a Ruger P95 9mm that came with 5 15rnd magazines just because of thinking that they may ban them and I wanted to have some before it happened.
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12-27-2012, 12:31
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#194
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Location: so.cal.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by racer88
My prediction: Nothing will happen (in the way of bans), because of the republican majority in the house and the actions of our organizations (NRA, SAF). Things will settle down. And all the naive speculators will be selling "stuff" at a major loss.
I hope I'm right!
PS... I also agree with the comments about making logical arguments to anyone and everyone willing to listen (and maybe even those not willing to listen). Over the past few years, I've actually been successful in converting some antis to our side. It works!
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Well the writing is on the wall, you see more liberal states jumping into ammo & mag bans. It wouldn't take much to get something passed in the Congress, the Rep don't hold that strong a majority. Again, PBO can do a lot of damage thru exec order, they are working on it trust me. They have wanted this since the first AWB & except for the sunset provision, it was working for them. They'll try again, wait & see.
Most people in this country that are not gun owners have no idea what laws are on the books. The media always gets it wrong & people tend to believe what they see on tv or read on the net. Reality, guns were far easier to get in the 1950-1968 period. The same style semiauto/ high cap guns were available then; M1 carbine & 30rd mags, 1911s have been around since 1910, BHP since 1936, etc, we never had mass shootings & such random violence, but for the 1920s & prohibition crime.
No, it's the total breakdown of society. Kids w/o fathers. Lack of discipline at all levels, lack of responsibilty at all levels. Look, the Feds can run guns to criminals in Mexico & no one even loses their job! That is the real tragedy, the loss of our society. It isn't getting better folks, only worse. So yeah, I am not a huge fan of the NRA, but the are our best voice. LaPierre should step down & someone like Tom Selleck should be put into that position. We need a better voice. It just doesn't help when the propaganda like media lies & covers up the real issues in our society.
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12-28-2012, 10:09
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#195
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Location: NC
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I know not what course others may take; but as for me...
First, let me say that I have not read every reply in this thread. I haven't even read all the replies on page one. I have been a big fan of the 9mm Glock for more than two decades. I have everything from a 2nd generation 17 long slide to a 4th generation model 26. And I am pretty sure that I am set on magazines as well. I will continue to rely on my tested and proven polymer friends.
Remember that famous quote by Patrick Henry, at the Virginia convention. That is pretty much how I am feeling right now. But who knows, it could just be my meds talking
I think of how this country was formed or born. They found that a few percent tax was unbearable and so they took up arms and defeated the most powerful empire on the face of the earth. Compare that with todays average american male whose standard reply when told that the government is going to take away the 2nd amendment and confiscate his personal firearms: he lowers his head, slumps his shoulders and says something like: "oh man, now look at what we have to do."
Houston, we have a problem
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12-28-2012, 17:47
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#196
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Location: Southern Delaware
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I am not changing a damn thing. I will continue to use what I am using now and say screw any ban. I am now an old guy and do not give a crap anymore.
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12-29-2012, 00:05
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'nuff said
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Nah. Not changing. Have three 9mm weapons and lots of ammo.
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12-29-2012, 14:34
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Kill 'Em All
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: San Antonio, Texas
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I have a G26 Gen 4, G17 Gen 4, Sig MK25, and a Colt 6951 9mm carbine as my primary SD/HD weapons. I wont be switching.
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12-29-2012, 14:37
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Location: Hartford, Vermont
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I may stay with my G17 throughout the Winter.
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01-03-2013, 14:20
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Location: Central, MI
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SARDG
I'm an (old) girl. Women's fashions don't allow for huge handguns like Glocks, plus I live in FL where we wear less than many most of the year. My EDC is a Kahr PM-9 (6+1). Face it... all you mall ninjas are more inclined to go your entire life without EVER needing to pull your gun in self, or other's defense and your carry piece will never get a practical workout in your lifetimes. For this reason I am prepared, but not uncomfortably prepared, and having an EDC that I will carry under all conditions is more important to me than one I would leave at home because it was too big or otherwise inconvenient on any given day.
No, no changes expected for me whatsoever. BTW, today, Florida went over 1 million CWPs issued statewide - 1,000,645.
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Awesome response. Any gun you can carry comfortable all day is better than the one you leave at home cause its not.
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