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Old 11-27-2012, 13:01   #1
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World War 3 in the making...

...The PA continues to apply for statehood at the U.N.. When that happens, we will finally be in a position for the world to come against Israel.

“Woe, woe, woe to those dwelling upon the earth...when they decide to unite and take the Land that belongs to El Shaddai.

Psa 2:1 Why do the gentiles rage1, And the peoples meditate emptiness? Footnote: 1Acts 4:25-26.
Psa 2:2 The sovereigns of the earth take their stand, And the rulers take counsel together, Against יהוה and against His Messiah, and say,
Psa 2:3 “Let us tear apart Their bonds, And throw away Their ropes from us.”
Psa 2:4 He who is sitting in the heavens laughs, יהוה mocks at them.
Psa 2:5 Then He speaks to them in His wrath, And troubles them in His rage, saying,
Psa 2:6 “But I, I have set My Sovereign on Tsiyon, My set-apart mountain.”
Psa 2:7 “I inscribe for a law: יהוה has said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have brought You forth.
Psa 2:8 ‘Ask of Me, and I make the gentiles Your inheritance, And the ends of the earth Your possession.
Psa 2:9 ‘Break them with a rod of iron, Dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.’ ”
Psa 2:10 And now, be wise, O sovereigns; Be instructed, you rulers of the earth.
Psa 2:11 Serve יהוה with fear, And rejoice with trembling.
Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest He be enraged, And you perish in the way, For soon His wrath is to be kindled. Blessed are all those taking refuge in Him.
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Old 11-27-2012, 13:12   #2
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Humans fight. If Israel were destroyed tomorrow it wouldn't change much. It's an old place with a long bloody history. But there's nothing special or magical about it. Just a chunk of land.
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Old 11-27-2012, 16:21   #3
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Jerusalem continues to be one of the most contested holy bombing sites on this planet.
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Old 11-27-2012, 17:11   #4
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...The PA continues to apply for statehood at the U.N.. When that happens, we will finally be in a position for the world to come against Israel.

“Woe, woe, woe to those dwelling upon the earth...when they decide to unite and take the Land that belongs to El Shaddai.
So, the entire crux of all existence lies in a galaxy far in the corner of the universe, in an unremarkable solar system among countless solar systems, in an area smaller than New Jersey?

No, we humans aren't self centered at all.
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Timothy 3:1to5

But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, without natural affection, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God; holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; avoid such men as these.

1. The rise of false prophets:
Jesus clearly warned about an increase in deceiving spirits and false prophets in the endtimes.
2. Global government:
Do you see the trend toward that goal? There is the World Trade Organization. Perhaps the first major step toward a one-world order.
3. Increased Knowledge:
Daniel 12:4
But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the time of the end; many will go back and forth and knowledge will increase.
4. The rebirth of the state of Israel and the reclaiming of Jerusalem by the Jews:

The Muslim nations know that Israel must have the territory she has held since 1967 to successfully defend herself with conventional weapons. So when Israel is squeezed down to the presently agreed upon borders, the Muslims will once again figure that an all out attack on Israel would have a high probability of victory.

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O God, do not remain quiet: do not be silent and, O God do not be still. For, behold,Thine enemies make an uproar; and those who hate Thee have exalted themselves. They make shrewd plans against Thy people, and conspire together against Thy treasured ones. They have said, "Come and let us wipe them out as a nation, that the name of Israel be remembered no more." For they have conspired together with one mind; against Thee do they make a covenant: The tents of Edom and the Ismaelities; Moab, and the Hagrites: Gebal, and Ammom, and Amalek; Philistia and the inhabitants of Tyre; Assyeria also has joined with them. They have become a help to the children of Lot. Deal with them as with Midian, as with Sisera and Jabin, at the torrent of Kishon, who were destroyed at Endor, who became as dung for the ground.

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Old 11-28-2012, 09:17   #6
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Timothy 3:1to5

But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, without natural affection, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God; holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; avoid such men as these.

1. The rise of false prophets:
Jesus clearly warned about an increase in deceiving spirits and false prophets in the endtimes.
2. Global government:
Do you see the trend toward that goal? There is the World Trade Organization. Perhaps the first major step toward a one-world order.
3. Increased Knowledge:
Daniel 12:4
But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the time of the end; many will go back and forth and knowledge will increase.
4. The rebirth of the state of Israel and the reclaiming of Jerusalem by the Jews:

The Muslim nations know that Israel must have the territory she has held since 1967 to successfully defend herself with conventional weapons. So when Israel is squeezed down to the presently agreed upon borders, the Muslims will once again figure that an all out attack on Israel would have a high probability of victory.

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Psalm 83:1to10 Written 3,000 year ago.
O God, do not remain quiet: do not be silent and, O God do not be still. For, behold,Thine enemies make an uproar; and those who hate Thee have exalted themselves. They make shrewd plans against Thy people, and conspire together against Thy treasured ones. They have said, "Come and let us wipe them out as a nation, that the name of Israel be remembered no more." For they have conspired together with one mind; against Thee do they make a covenant: The tents of Edom and the Ismaelities; Moab, and the Hagrites: Gebal, and Ammom, and Amalek; Philistia and the inhabitants of Tyre; Assyeria also has joined with them. They have become a help to the children of Lot. Deal with them as with Midian, as with Sisera and Jabin, at the torrent of Kishon, who were destroyed at Endor, who became as dung for the ground.
It's just the ramblings of ancient scribes. There have always been people who are self-serving, money hungry, boastful and arrogant (many of them Christian). There have always been disobedient children and malicious gossips (That's what women do best in hair salons... especially good Christian women). And "lovers of pleasure" c'mon that's just human nature. And there will always be people claiming to be servants of God that will rob you blind the second you turn your back. That is what religion is best used for... taking advantage of people's ignorance and fear for profit.
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:54   #7
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Did you know this fighting began in Genesis, chapter 21:9?

Ishmael mocked the infant Isaac, the Bible tells us. Ishmael had been born according to the flesh and Isaac had been born according to the promise.

In Galatians:4
Ishmael was replaced by Isaac as the favored son and heir. This made him jealous and bitter. As a result, he mocked and disdained his half-brother. Eventually the situation became so intolerable that Sarah demanded that Ishmael and his Egyptian concubine mother, Hagar, be expelled permanently from Abraham's family. Ishmael became the father of the Arabs and Isaac the father of Israel. So, the fight began in the beginning of the Bible.

As far as your comments on Christians goes, I couldn't agree with you more. My mother owned a Beauty Shop and always warned me never to gossip. She said most gossip is lies and can hurt people. Never got into that habit.
Also there are many Christians who do take money and use the money for their own benefit. So, there are good and bad people, no surprise there.


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And he (Ishmael) will be a wild ass of a man, his hand will be against everyone, and every one's hand will be against him."
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:40   #8
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Did you know this fighting began in Genesis, chapter 21:9?

Ishmael mocked the infant Isaac, the Bible tells us. Ishmael had been born according to the flesh and Isaac had been born according to the promise.

In Galatians:4
Ishmael was replaced by Isaac as the favored son and heir. This made him jealous and bitter. As a result, he mocked and disdained his half-brother. Eventually the situation became so intolerable that Sarah demanded that Ishmael and his Egyptian concubine mother, Hagar, be expelled permanently from Abraham's family. Ishmael became the father of the Arabs and Isaac the father of Israel. So, the fight began in the beginning of the Bible.
No... people were fighting long before this. The Bible, at most, accounts for 16,000 years of Human History... that's allowing the "A day is 1,000 years to God and 1,000 years a day" for creation. Man has been around millions of years. And he has fought the entire time. Combat is natural. It is an aspect of nature. It is what creatures do.

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As far as your comments on Christians goes, I couldn't agree with you more. My mother owned a Beauty Shop and always warned me never to gossip. She said most gossip is lies and can hurt people. Never got into that habit.
Also there are many Christians who do take money and use the money for their own benefit. So, there are good and bad people, no surprise there.


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And he (Ishmael) will be a wild ass of a man, his hand will be against everyone, and every one's hand will be against him."
Right... so it doesn't mean the end times are upon us or that bible prophecy is coming true. People are just people. It's the way we've always been. And each generation thinks theirs will be the one to see the end times... and they're always wrong.
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:02   #9
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Hey wait a minute - What's this about " I make the gentiles Your inheritance"?
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It means, if you should survive that long, that at the last you will do things His way. Period.
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No... people were fighting long before this. The Bible, at most, accounts for 16,000 years of Human History... that's allowing the "A day is 1,000 years to God and 1,000 years a day" for creation. Man has been around millions of years. And he has fought the entire time. Combat is natural. It is an aspect of nature. It is what creatures do.

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How can this be? The earth is only less that 10,000 years old.

The changes that are observed today show variation within the created kind. For a molecules-to-man evolutionary model, there must be a change from one created kind into another. This is simply not observed.


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How can this be? The earth is only less that 10,000 years old.

The changes that are observed today show variation within the created kind. For a molecules-to-man evolutionary model, there must be a change from one created kind into another. This is simply not observed.
Oh... you're one of those people. I don't know if you're aware of this or not but we know for a fact that man has been around a lot longer than that. Regardless of what "kinds" have been observed there is evidence of stone tool use that goes back more than 2 million years. Sorry to burst your bubble but the world is FAR older than 10,000 years.
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Oh... you're one of those people. I don't know if you're aware of this or not but we know for a fact that man has been around a lot longer than that. Regardless of what "kinds" have been observed there is evidence of stone tool use that goes back more than 2 million years. Sorry to burst your bubble but the world is FAR older than 10,000 years.

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The Bible affirms that God spoke to Adam, who understood what he was told. This confirms that the first man, Adam, already possessed the God-given gift of speech in all its fullness. He was able to converse intelligently (Gen 2:23, and Gen. 3:2,10,12,13) and even had the ability to create new words: "So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field."
(Gen. 2:20).


Why do we only hear of man only about from 6,000 to 10,000 years?
Paul Davies Quote:
"If the universe had no origin in time--if it has always existed then it is of infinite age. The concept of infinity leaves many people reeling. If there has been an infinite number of events already, why do we find ourselves living NOW? Did the universe remain quiescent for all of eternity only to spring into action relatively recently, or has there been some activity going on for ever and ever???
On the other hand, if the universe began, that means accepting it appeared suddenly out of nothing. This seems to imply that there was a first event. If so, what caused it?

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The Bible affirms that God spoke to Adam, who understood what he was told. This confirms that the first man, Adam, already possessed the God-given gift of speech in all its fullness. He was able to converse intelligently (Gen 2:23, and Gen. 3:2,10,12,13) and even had the ability to create new words: "So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field."
(Gen. 2:20).
Yes and ancient peoples also believed that Perseus was the son of Zeus and Danaeon and went on a quest to bring back the head of the Gorgon Medusa. They're just stories. There isn't a single shred of evidence that what the bible says happened in Eden actually happened. No more than Perseus slaying Medusa anyway. So are we to assume that that story is just as true? If not why? Why are tales of your God more viable than the tales of other Gods?

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We don't. We know man has existed FAR longer. You just aren't opening your eyes to the truth. You rather believe archaic stories written by bronze age desert scribes. Men who knew nothing of the natural world.

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"If the universe had no origin in time--if it has always existed then it is of infinite age. The concept of infinity leaves many people reeling. If there has been an infinite number of events already, why do we find ourselves living NOW? Did the universe remain quiescent for all of eternity only to spring into action relatively recently, or has there been some activity going on for ever and ever???
Why do we have to assume that we're the first activity in as far as life is concerned. There may have been other worlds with beings and civilizations millions of years before us. We may find one day that our solar system formed from the remains of a previous solar system that existed eons ago and was destroyed by super nova. It's arrogant to think the universe revolves around us.

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On the other hand, if the universe began, that means accepting it appeared suddenly out of nothing. This seems to imply that there was a first event. If so, what caused it?
There are working theories about this. I am the wrong one to try and explain them as I am not a scientist. But we've figured these things out to a point where we better understand the beginnings of the universe now.

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And that's your right to believe whatever stories you choose. You can believe in the Easter Bunny if you want. But what is reality and what you believe are two very different things. You are living within a delusion. And that's ok... I just hope you aren't brainwashing any children to live within your delusion with you.
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How can this be? The earth is only less that 10,000 years old.

The changes that are observed today show variation within the created kind. For a molecules-to-man evolutionary model, there must be a change from one created kind into another.
So how many of these "kinds" would have had to be on the ark?

Where do "kinds" align with the taxonomic classifications? Genus? Family? Order? ...

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So how many of these "kinds" would have had to be on the ark?

Where do "kinds" align with the taxonomic classifications? Genus? Family? Order? ...

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The book of Genesis is the book of the "kinds". Genesis means kinds. This is where the word Genus comes from.
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The book of Genesis is the book of the "kinds". Genesis means kinds. This is where the word Genus comes from.
In what language?
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Genesis is the first book of the Bible. Its name, taken from its first verse, means “beginning.”
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No it doesn't.

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O.E. Genesis, first book of the Pentateuch, from L. genesis, adopted as title of first book of Old Testament in Vulgate, from Gk. genesis "origin, creation, generation," from gignesthai "to be born," related to genos "race, birth, descent" (see genus). As such, it translated Heb. beres-h-i-th, lit. "in the beginning," which was the first word of the text, taken as its title. Extended sense of "origin, creation" first recorded in English c.1600.

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In what language?
I am not a linguist, but I will attempt to explain my understanding of the Greek. As you will note according to Glock 36 shooters post you will notice the word has more than one meaning.

You will notice the word is used for race or descent. This is the usage I was referring to.

An example of a Bible usage of this word referring to Jesus is
"mono genes". According to the Bible this is translated "only begotten". We recognize mono as referring to one. Since the Bible refers to the Son as pre existent and eternal, He had no beginning. Genes in this sense is referring His family relationship to the Father. Mono genes in this usage is translated as "unique" or one of a kind.

Look up the origin for the word genus. Same Greek origin.
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The Hebrew name of Genesis is Beres-hit, which means "In the beginning". (I had to put a dash in the name because this ridiculous forum software thinks Im trying to type sh-it)

What most people probably don't realize, is that Israel is technically at war with several Arab countries. They are only in a cease fire. This is based in large part on the Oslo Accords, which "Palestine" just voided at the U.N. by getting statehood. According to the Accords, Israel is now free to officially annex all of Gaze, Judea, and Samaria. They will cut off all water, electicity, food, and aid to "Palestine".

I put "Palestine" in quotations because no such people actually exist and no such country has ever existed. They people were bussed in from other Arab countries during the British Mandate. Then attacked Israel whom the U.N. declared a nation in 1948. They attacked them several times. Lost every time. Lost land every time. And now they whine like girls and blow up innocent civilians, because they lost. And the world loves them. Because the world is mostly anti-semetic and doesn't like the idea of a God in heaven.
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If there has been an infinite number of events already, why do we find ourselves living NOW?
Because if we were living any other time, we'd find ourselves living THEN. Except, we'd think that THEN was NOW. Either way, you'd find yourself exactly where you are.
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Yes and ancient peoples also believed that Perseus was the son of Zeus and Danaeon and went on a quest to bring back the head of the Gorgon Medusa. They're just stories. There isn't a single shred of evidence that what the bible says happened in Eden actually happened. No more than Perseus slaying Medusa anyway. So are we to assume that that story is just as true? If not why? Why are tales of your God more viable than the tales of other Gods?

Answer:Molly:
The very first verse in the Bible declares: "In the beginning God... There is no attempt in these words to prove the existence of God or imply in any way that God had a beginning. In fact, the Bible makes it clear in many places that God is outside time. He is eternal, with no beginning or end. He also knows all things, being infinitely intelligent.

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We don't. We know man has existed FAR longer. You just aren't opening your eyes to the truth. You rather believe archaic stories written by bronze age desert scribes. Men who knew nothing of the natural world.

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I just don't believe there is any way to know for a fact how old these things are. All these old things do is show evidence of design. Just as God designed humans, humans designed tools thousands of years ago. If it were billions of years ago why does man just appear only thousands of years ago. How in the world could you believe these things just appeared???

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Why do we have to assume that we're the first activity in as far as life is concerned. There may have been other worlds with beings and civilizations millions of years before us. We may find one day that our solar system formed from the remains of a previous solar system that existed eons ago and was destroyed by super nova. It's arrogant to think the universe revolves around us.

Answer:Molly:
The earth possesses a large number of astronomical and physical peculiarities which make life on earth possible. Such as:
The correct distance between earth and sun.
The elliptical orbit of the earth around the sun with its small eccentricity.
The constant energy output of the sun.
The correct rate of rotation of the earth.
The optimum tilt angle between the axis of the earth and the ecliptic.
The correct size and mass of the earth.
The correct quantity of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere of the earth.
The correct quantity of oxygen in the atmosphere of the earth.
The correct distance of the moon from the earth.

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There are working theories about this. I am the wrong one to try and explain them as I am not a scientist. But we've figured these things out to a point where we better understand the beginnings of the universe now.

Answer:Molly:
That's OK just make up a theory and we'll work from there.

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And that's your right to believe whatever stories you choose. You can believe in the Easter Bunny if you want. But what is reality and what you believe are two very different things. You are living within a delusion. And that's ok... I just hope you aren't brainwashing any children to live within your delusion with you.

Answer:Molly:
Do you think you haven 't been brainwashed???


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The very first verse in the Bible declares: "In the beginning God... There is no attempt in these words to prove the existence of God or imply in any way that God had a beginning. In fact, the Bible makes it clear in many places that God is outside time. He is eternal, with no beginning or end. He also knows all things, being infinitely intelligent.
That isn't an answer. You're only still quoting from ancient fictional stories written by self-appointed Prophets who's only credential to be a "Scholar" was that they could read and write... something we teach our children to do. I can quote some cat in the hat passages as well. Doesn't make them the key to our existence any more than your stories are.

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I just don't believe there is any way to know for a fact how old these things are.
Doesn't matter what you believe. That's the beautiful thing about accurate measurements. Regardless of if you believe them are not... they're still accurate. The same is not true for you bible stories. You can believe in them as hard as you like... doesn't make them any less fictional. From your writing I am guessing you are a part of an older generation. When people were afraid to question religion and the thought of it not being true was terrifying. So I understand why you cling to it so strongly... especially if you're nearing the end of your time here. So I get it... still doesn't make it true.

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All these old things do is show evidence of design. Just as God designed humans, humans designed tools thousands of years ago.
No, man evolved from and earlier creature like all other living things on this planet. There is no design. In fact our bodies are riddled with irregularities and flaws that would suggest if we were designed... our designer was a fool. Man slowly learned to create tools to better survive. That was our weapon against natural selection. We were surrounded by creatures with daggers growing out of their paws and mouths... it was our ability to think and our tendency toward community that was our strength. But we had to fight for the right to be here just like every other creature.

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If it were billions of years ago why does man just appear only thousands of years ago.
Again, he doesn't. You simply choose to be willfully ignorant of evidence to the contrary. Do you think if you stop believing in gravity tomorrow it will go away? No. Gravity doesn't require your belief to be. And neither does the evidence that we've been here for millions of years.

Here is one of your buddies illustrating that a young earth is simply a religious error in thinking...


Also notice the woman who wrote it. She talks about her "Biggest Fear" and "Being Afraid". This is the thing that motivates the religious... Fear.

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How in the world could you believe these things just appeared???
That is what you believe. That God snapped his fingers and POOF man existed. I believe no such thing. I know man is a part of a very slow process of Evolution, Adaptation, And Natural Selection.

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The earth possesses a large number of astronomical and physical peculiarities which make life on earth possible.
Agreed. But this isn't evidence of design. It's just evidence that Earth had the right conditions for life. If it didn't... we wouldn't be here to wonder about it. It's almost a mathematical certainty that there are other planets in the universe with the right conditions for life. It's just a crap shoot.

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That's OK just make up a theory and we'll work from there.
There's no need to make one up. There are already established Theories with far more evidence to back them than your bible.

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Do you think you haven 't been brainwashed???
I was for a time. I was sent to bible camp as a child, sent to vacation bible school, sunday school, and religious youth retreats. All practicing very powerful indoctrination and brainwashing of children. But I freed myself from the brainwashing and woke up to reality.

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