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Old 12-04-2012, 17:53   #1
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Winchester PDX bullets...

I have been listening to several you-tube video's about these bullets lately. I have tried these in 38 special & a box for my 12 gauge Winchester 1300, and I like them, but I did not really give them a true "fair shake".

I know these (the PDX bullets) are getting to be about a year old now but it seems like the subject of these round keeps coming up out at my range over and over again. People up by us who shoot these rounds seem to like them. One guy last Saturday told me he has changed out his former carry ammo for these PDX's.


I was wondering what you all thought about Winchester's PDX ammunition?

Have you tested any out? and how does this stuff compare to yours?
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Old 12-04-2012, 18:00   #2
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I switched to PDX carry ammo soon after they came out in all of my semi autos (9mm/.40/.45). They are consistent and based on the testing, government applications, and availability (Walmart!), I think they are a great defensive load.

I still have Gold Dots in my wheel guns...
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Old 12-04-2012, 19:49   #3
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I have been listening to several you-tube video's about these bullets lately. I have tried these in 38 special & a box for my 12 gauge Winchester 1300, and I like them, but I did not really give them a true "fair shake".

I know these (the PDX bullets) are getting to be about a year old now but it seems like the subject of these round keeps coming up out at my range over and over again. People up by us who shoot these rounds seem to like them. One guy last Saturday told me he has changed out his former carry ammo for these PDX's.

SHOT Show 2012 Winchester PDX1 Handgun Ammo Test with Rob Pincus 1 of 3 - YouTube

I was wondering what you all thought about Winchester's PDX ammunition?

Have you tested any out? and how does this stuff compare to yours?
I think it is pretty good stuff. Supposedly, it uses the same bullet(s) as the Winchester Ranger LE Bonded and the few gelatin tests that I've run show it to be a good performer.
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Old 12-04-2012, 21:26   #4
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GREAT Rounds.

I have been a fan of Winchester rounds since my first carry gun (silvertips). I was issued them as a police officer as well (Ranger). I like them so much that I approached Winchester about representing the line.

Ultimately, any modern bonded HP is probably going to do the job, but I choose PDX1.
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Old 12-04-2012, 22:38   #5
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I find it interesting that the Win. Ranger 9mm 127 gr. +p+ T Series failed TWICE in tnoutdoors9's test in SIM Test media, yet has an excellent street rep. & is non-bonded to boot. Go figure:


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I find it interesting that the Win. Ranger 9mm 127 gr. +p+ T Series failed TWICE in tnoutdoors9's test in SIM Test media, yet has an excellent street rep. & is non-bonded to boot. Go figure:


Winchester Ranger T-Series 9mm +P+ 127 gr JHP AMMO TEST - YouTube
Thats why I seldom go to demo shoots any more. I have seen all of the brands fail over the years.

I just go by actual real world human shoots. Body counts tell the story. Demo shoots only show the potential.
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hotpig,

your point is what I was thinking when I started this post. Like I said I gave them a sort of half heart-ed try when they first came out, but nothing serious. I liked them, but a bit expensive, but I figure they have to pay for those brand new black & shinny colored boxes they come in.

TFL_ROB, thanks for your post & comments. To me, when LE folks like yourself starts to get involved with a cartridge, I pay quite a bit more attention to it.

This weekend I am going to pick up a few boxes for the 9mm, 38 special & 357 magnum, and run some side by side tests with Hornady's XTP/FTX rounds. The Hornady's are what I normally carry and keep loaded for home defense.

Tiro Fijo,

I'm going to go back over some of those videos & articles and compare them to my finding, thanks for the post.
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Thats why I seldom go to demo shoots any more. I have seen all of the brands fail over the years.

I just go by actual real world human shoots. Body counts tell the story. Demo shoots only show the potential.
What do you reccommend based on actual body count?
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What do you reccommend based on actual body count?
Obviously out of pure volume the 9mm fmj would be the clear winner.

However if we limited ourselves to just the US and Premium jhp.

When you have to use this Caliber Cornerto decide which caliber or bullet performs the best. Particularly in something as big as this Caliber CornerWe really are splitting hares.

This is a pretty decent list.
http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_De..._FAQ/index.htm
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I find it interesting that the Win. Ranger 9mm 127 gr. +p+ T Series failed TWICE in tnoutdoors9's test in SIM Test media, yet has an excellent street rep. & is non-bonded to boot. Go figure:


Winchester Ranger T-Series 9mm +P+ 127 gr JHP AMMO TEST - YouTube

Well 4 layers of denim is an idiotic standard, hence the failure. Bonded is not always better or even desirable.
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Well 4 layers of denim is an idiotic standard, hence the failure. Bonded is not always better or even desirable.
I agree that gel/denim tests cannot be totally representative of what happens when you shoot an armed felon but they do have some use. If a JHP can still expand most, or even some of the time after passing thtough 4 layers of denim, then it should be capable of expanding after passing through any sort of clothing an attacker may be wearing. Unless he's wearing a denim shirt, denim jacket, and then a heavy leather vest, with a duster over all of this, then the bullet should expand.
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We really are splitting hares.
No. Don't hurt the bunnies.
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Have we been imbibing this evening?
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Well 4 layers of denim is an idiotic standard, hence the failure. Bonded is not always better or even desirable.
No, it is not. It is simply a test standard that is meant to induce the failure of a JHP by subjecting it to an extreme condition- anyone who thinks that it is meant to represent a realistic mode of dress is missing the point of the test.
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Well 4 layers of denim is an idiotic standard, hence the failure. Bonded is not always better or even desirable.
I agree with every bit of this statement.

If I want a "bonded" load I'd just stick with Speer Gold Dots.
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Have we been imbibing this evening?
I am not sure why you'd say that.

I simply engaged in a little humor about the (mis)use of the homophone "hare" in the expression above. The correct word would have been "We really are splitting hairs."

I guess some folks have no sense of humor.
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I am not sure why you'd say that.

I simply engaged in a little humor about the (mis)use of the homophone "hare" in the expression above. The correct word would have been "We really are splitting hairs."

I guess some folks have no sense of humor.
No, it was funny. I've been imbibing. I can tell you that.
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No, it was funny. I've been imbibing. I can tell you that.
Ha! Joke's on me!
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This is the paticular Winchester PDX1 Supreme Elite Self Defense 12 gauge ammo that I have shot with "some" testing involved.

http://www.winchester.com/PRODUCTS/S...s/S12PDX1.aspx


Has any of you tried these rounds? What do you think?
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Obviously out of pure volume the 9mm fmj would be the clear winner.

However if we limited ourselves to just the US and Premium jhp.


This is a pretty decent list.
http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_De..._FAQ/index.htm
They mention a round from Winchester called the Partition Gold. I've heard of it but I don't think they make this line for service calibers anymore. Do you know what it is?
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