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Old 12-06-2012, 23:21   #1
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Should I buy a Springfield M1A for prepping purposes?
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Old 12-06-2012, 23:32   #2
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What purpose do you see for it from a prepping standpoint?
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Old 12-06-2012, 23:40   #3
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Maybe I misused the term. I'm thinking a total collapse of society and the men with the most guns survive. Without law enforcement there will be gangs traveling around taking what they want, somewhat like in the dark ages, but worse. I want a rifle that has punch and range that will help me and mine to survive.

I know this is far fetched, but the odds of me being attacked today where I live is remote. Yet I have taken precautions to improve my chance of not being a victim.

I certainly would enjoy an M1A today and should the unthinkable occur, would it be the right tool?
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Old 12-07-2012, 00:34   #4
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Well, it is part of MY SHTF combo, but it's primarily when I KNOW that I can engage a target at a distance.

Usually, you may not KNOW it is a threat until it is CQB time, in which case you may be better served by something that is lighter and faster-handling.

But it will have superior barrier penetration at any distance over a typical CQB carbine, the M1A SOCOM and AR-10 not withstanding.

If the threat is beyond 50 yards, and I have the time to deploy it, the scoped M1A is the tool. Under that, I'm probably grabbing the chopped Mini-14 with Burris FastFire sight and identical manual-of-arms.

That last point is worth considering. If you are on the AR-15 bandwagon for your carbine, I highly recommend a quality AR-10 type rifle for a .308 class weapon. Or change completely to a Scout-type .308 bolt rifle.
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Old 12-07-2012, 00:46   #5
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I have owned and shot the Garand for about 30 years, including a "tanker" variant.

I had a CETME (HK type)

I had an AR.

But I am really happy with my SOCOM16. IMO it's a great weapon and in the "Squad Scout" or standard configuration is a great choice for someone who doesn't want to "get into" a type or design. It is pretty simple to understand and at least to me is easier to maintain than my AR.

I also have AKs and M-1 carbines, and a couple of very light .308 bolts and other "scouted" rifles, but the SOCOM can fill all the roles of those. Any M-1A/M-14 with a 5 rd mag is a great, where legal, hunting rifle and that is a great way to build skill and confidence.
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:11   #6
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NO. You should not buy an M1A for some crazy mad max end of the world scenario.

You should buy a M1A because they are great rifles, fun to shoot, and good looking to boot. 7.62x51 is an awesome, accurate, and powerful round. Don't pass up a Garand from CMP if you qualify, also a great rifle. And a bit cheaper.

There "may be" more about.. but I just like this pic..

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Just as a side note.. I watched "Book of Eli" last night. 31 years after the event, and nobody has gotten around to improving or rebuilding anything?? What, did every person with any knowledge/mechanical skills get killed? And nobody knows how ANYTHING more complicated than a rock, works?

Believe me, I am as deep into S&P as anyone, but that scenario doesn't compute on any level.

I did like the movie though.

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Old 12-07-2012, 09:16   #7
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That's a great rifle shoots an excellent round; but if you're looking for most guns--look at the Mosin Nagant 91-30 shoots a ballistic similar round, 7.62x54R, but you can get surplus rifles everywhere for $100 and lots of good milsurp ammo.
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Just as a side note.. I watched "Book of Eli" last night. 31 years after the event, and nobody has gotten around to improving or rebuilding anything?? What, did every person with any knowledge/mechanical skills get killed? And nobody knows how ANYTHING more complicated than a rock, works?

Believe me, I am as deep into S&P as anyone, but that scenario doesn't compute on any level.
I hate to hi-jack the thread but an interesting example of how technology can be lost is concrete. Concrete was used by the Romans. The art of concrete was lost to the world with the fall of the Roman Empire around 400 A. D. . It was not until 1756 that the technology of hydraulic cement was rediscovered. That is what, 1300 years. So 31 years is not unrealistic.
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NO. You should not buy an M1A for some crazy mad max end of the world scenario.

You should buy a M1A because they are great rifles, fun to shoot, and good looking to boot. 7.62x51 is an awesome, accurate, and powerful round. Don't pass up a Garand from CMP if you qualify, also a great rifle. And a bit cheaper.

There "may be" more about.. but I just like this pic..

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Just as a side note.. I watched "Book of Eli" last night. 31 years after the event, and nobody has gotten around to improving or rebuilding anything?? What, did every person with any knowledge/mechanical skills get killed? And nobody knows how ANYTHING more complicated than a rock, works?

Believe me, I am as deep into S&P as anyone, but that scenario doesn't compute on any level.

I did like the movie though.
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Are you guys aware that Choate Machine & Tool (a GT Advertiser) makes a side folding and M4 Telescoping stock for the M1A/M14??? www.riflestock.com

Just a heads up.

AND YES, I have several SOCCOMS with side folding stocks in my bag of goodies. (although I may have to get a telescoping stock just because.)
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Without law enforcement there will be gangs traveling around taking what they want, somewhat like in the dark ages, but worse.
With 'law enforcement' there are gangs traveling around taking what they want - they just have ID cards and work for three-letter agencies. The first things you need to effectively prep are skills and knowledge. Otherwise you will have trouble separating friend from foe: a key trait for survival decision-making.

Regarding the M1, far too much emphasis is placed by many preppers on types of firearms. It is unlikely that the type of rifle chosen will make any measurable difference in the quality of effectiveness of one's survival plans. Factors to consider should include weight/portability, availability of ammunition & spare parts, and the liklihood of engaging targets at long distances (unlikely).
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Old 12-07-2012, 14:53   #12
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A solid choice, but it turns into a 9 vs 45, AK vs AR, FAL vs m1a, Cetme vs ......and on and on.

If you want that caliber, determine what the metrics are that you want to compare and contrast: cost, accuracy, mag cost/availability, spare parts, etc.

This has been flogged ad nauseum by people who ACTUALLY own & have experience, but you will still get the oddball responses.

It comes down to one thing. How much money are you going to spend? $$$$$ Answer that question honestly and your choices will start becoming a easier to make.

You want tier 1 ($1000 and up)? You want the best deal for 500-700? Cheapest mags?
You running an optic?

Do not get a Garand for fantasy shtf. Nice rifle for its day.

M1A= $1200 and up
Mount= sadlak/ARMS mount $150+
Scope=?
Mags= $30+ Each...?

Do you "need" a 308? Ahhh...prob can run an AR w/success. Prob doesn't matter.

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Old 12-07-2012, 16:38   #13
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They are pretty heavy. You can find rifles for distance shooting/hunting for a lot less carry weight. I had one and with the scope and a full mag it was around 13 lbs. My Rem. 700 is under 8 lbs. Yeah it's not semi auto but with practice you can work the bolt pretty quick.
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With 'law enforcement' there are gangs traveling around taking what they want - they just have ID cards and work for three-letter agencies. The first things you need to effectively prep are skills and knowledge. Otherwise you will have trouble separating friend from foe: a key trait for survival decision-making.

Regarding the M1, far too much emphasis is placed by many preppers on types of firearms. It is unlikely that the type of rifle chosen will make any measurable difference in the quality of effectiveness of one's survival plans. Factors to consider should include weight/portability, availability of ammunition & spare parts, and the liklihood of engaging targets at long distances (unlikely).
I like commonality of caliber and parts but I can't make myself buy a Glock. I've tried, gone to the gun store with money in hand, ready to purchase a Glock but then I walk by the glass cabinet with all those 1911's.....Those things are like crack.
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Should I buy a Springfield M1A for prepping purposes?
No. You buy one for the pure awesome of it. That's all the reason that is needed.

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I'm thinking a total collapse of society and the men with the most guns survive.
Ummm - no.

The man with the most guns will be shot by the person who has one and knows how to use it really well, or shot by a group of people because they know he has a bunch of guns and they want them.

One man can only shoot one of his eight guns. But eight men can each shoot one gun. MAn with eight guns loses this.

Finally, the man with one gun but a lot of food and water wins because he doesn't leave the house and stays put and no one bothers him. when they do, he only has one gun, but lots of ammo handy.

And don't get me started about the general loathing of snipers. If it requires a shot past ~200 yards, don't shoopt it. Just creep away quitely and live to NOT fight another day. Or draw attention (and fire) if you want. And maybe die.

Just a few thoughts. I dig the M1 a lot. But a full length .308 is not high on my SHTF priority list. CAn't use it if you donb't have it. But still...

Just a few thoughts. Food & water or M1????

M1 or AR/AK?????

Food and an AK will beat and M1 any SHTF day.

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Old 12-07-2012, 23:51   #16
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wow, great stuff. You guys convinced me of what I knew but didn't want to admit. I can't justify the M1A from any perspective. It is a great rifle but in the Socialist Republic of Illinois there isn't a lot of places to shoot it. thanks for the advice.
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For me, it was a choice between the M1A, and the Fal.

I went with the FAL, as at the time, they were much cheaper, as were the parts and mags, and ammo.

What was NOT a choice was a magfed semi-auto in 308.
Shot the AR for years, but after going to Fals, i sold it, as it just sat.

Sure, the 308 has some downsides, as does the Fal, but iknow both, and can use the rifle pretty well.

SHTF notwithstanding, an American is NOT whole without a mag fed semiauto in a centerfire caliber, AND the SKILLS to use it well.

See Freds M14 stocks/ the Appleseed project.

If you are in illinois, i'd check out DSA!

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That's a great rifle shoots an excellent round; but if you're looking for most guns--look at the Mosin Nagant 91-30 shoots a ballistic similar round, 7.62x54R, but you can get surplus rifles everywhere for $100 and lots of good milsurp ammo.

There is absolutely NO real comparison between the 2 rifles you mention.

The M1A is a true shooters rifle. It does more of everything than any Mosin ever fielded.

If Vassili Zaitsev would have had a choice between the two, he would have used that pos mosin as a coat hanger.

It amazes the, the amount of absolutes on this board. More opinions about weapon choice, tactics and bugging-in finality. Hope your roof is fire-proof.

Most people are 30-40 lbs too fat, bad general condition with next to no real-world experience in field craft. Let alone a true understanding of back-woods life.
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Old 12-08-2012, 08:06   #19
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An M-1 has been on my lust list for a few years. Just havent been able to bring myself to pony up the $1500 what I want would cost me. Someday, if we don't all die first.
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NO. You should not buy an M1A for some crazy mad max end of the world scenario.

You should buy a M1A because they are great rifles, fun to shoot, and good looking to boot. 7.62x51 is an awesome, accurate, and powerful round. Don't pass up a Garand from CMP if you qualify, also a great rifle. And a bit cheaper.

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Believe me, I am as deep into S&P as anyone, but that scenario doesn't compute on any level.

I did like the movie though.
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