[Rally Vincent]

I know the 1911 guys can get real butt hurt about any bad talk about the 1911 so I'll just apologize now and get it out of the way. I think James Yeager said it best with 1911 guys... "A 1911 that works correctly is just as rare as a Glock that doesn't"... Now let the hate speech rain down on me.

James Yeager? Who gives a crap what that sack of trash said. Someone needs to slap that sideways ball cap off his head.

[Nakanokalronin]

"Factoids" coming from Recoil magazine and James Yeager taken to heart by someone who has never owned a 1911, enough said.

Funny how the problems Recoil mentions as the norm have never happened to any of my 14 1911s. Guess I'm just lucky....

[Wil Ufgood]

Let's compare apples to apples. If you're going to use Glock or HK as a comparison, pick a 1911 produced by a specific manufacturer. Otherwise compare the 1911 platform versus striker fired pistols.

There are great 1911's, some not so much.

Same with striker fired pistols.

To simply state 1911's are all no good is ignorant.

[bac1023]

Originally Posted by Rustin

I don't think the op was trolling, it's just that he was frightened away from the wonderful world of 1911s by a magazine that most real shooters reject, and from a firearms trainer that most real shooters have no respect for. Look, I saw the article, but I've never seen, in person that is, any 1911's with cracked anything. The guns run and run and run. OP, 1911 guys are no worse than Glock guys. Get a damned 1911 and learn for yourself. (And bac is the perfect person to help you choose a specific 1911, plus hes an all around good guy as well.)

Thanks, my friend.

...but I will say that his last paragraph was definitely trolling, in my opinion.

[Glockdude1]

Coleslaw. Best served shredded.........

[glock_19guy1983]

OP apparently was beaten with a retard stick when he was a child

[ratf51]

Just came across this thread-- I am tagging it to keep up with where this might go! This could be a fun ride...

Also, wouldn't it be wise to give adequate inspection to any used firearm purchase? (Provided that it is possible-- a hard thing to do with Gunbroker type of sales.) That is not just a "1911 thing".

And like my Momma would say when she would put a new food on my plate, "You don't know that you don't like it, you've never tried it."

[seanmac45]

Someone who forms his (uninformed) opinions based upon articles published in Recoil magazine. Check.

Someone who idolizes an immature coward who conducts live fire exercises with photographers downrange in between the targets. Check.

A thread in GlockTalk that further propagates the myths and fallacies about the 1911. Check.

Nothing to see here folks, just move on along and protect your IQ from further degradation.

Oh, and Have a Nice Day. Check.

[bac1023]

Originally Posted by ratf51

Just came across this thread-- I am tagging it to keep up with where this might go! This could be a fun ride...

It actually just started an hour or two ago.

Threads like this go crazy and then usually get shut down.

[ratf51]

Originally Posted by bac1023

It actually just started an hour or two ago.

Threads like this go crazy and then usually get shut down.

Some of the best thrill rides are short!

[Jermzzzzzzz]

OH EEEEEMMMM GEEEEEEE this information came directly from James Yeager AND Recoil magazine so it must be true!!! :screwy: I bet if they both said the. 22LR is the perfect manstopper rounds you'd believe .

Sent from my DROIDX

[bac1023]

Originally Posted by ratf51

Some of the best thrill rides are short!

Yeah, these threads are entertaining!

[seanmac45]

Originally Posted by Jermzzzzzzz

OH EEEEEMMMM GEEEEEEE this information came directly from James Yeager AND Recoil magazine so it must be true!!! :screwy: I bet if they both said the. 22LR is the perfect manstopper rounds you'd believe .

Sent from my DROIDX

You know, I never realized it before, but now it makes sense.

Yeager is really Gunkid! LMAO!!!!!

[Jermzzzzzzz]

I would like to know the OP's operational experience, or if he is an expert just cause he read a article in a stupid magazine by a stupid trainer.

Sent from my DROIDX

[Nakanokalronin]

James Yeager is a Glock Bot. If you ever drudged yourself through the 1911s suck video of his, you might see the other video on the side panel that say "All guns should be Glocks" or something similar in the title. The 1911 is too much for him to handle which is why he advocates that a G19 is the superior handgun on the planet.

In that video and posted by the uniformed, it's always a laugh where people try and claim 1911s need tons of money and maintenance to run correctly. Again, I must be lucky since my 1911s have run 100% out of the box since day one.

[jimNeb]

This is an interesting thread. I have owned many 1911 pistols and never experienced any of the problems listed in the op. Maybe I need to buy a few more to see if I can find a total POS.

The cheapest 1911 I ever owned was a Brolin Arms L45. It was accurate and I never had a single issue with the gun. I wish I still had it but I was a poor college student that needed cash.

[willieH]

Prior to the 1911 pistol, the military used revolvers, one being a .38 double action. During combat in the Philippines (Spanish-American War) the ineffective stopping power of the .38 cal was regrettable proven by the Moro tribesmen during close quarter fighting. The military reactivated older retired stocks in .45 cal that could stop an attacker.

It was this battlefield background that prompted US military testing and subsequent requirement of sidearms using the 45. Improvements in gunpowder and auto-loading pistol designs were incorporated into the Army's 1906 testing. The rest is history as the Browning designed Colt pistol was officially accepted by the Army in 1911. The M1911 was the first reliable auto pistol of it's day and proved is service in countless battles until the Beretta M9 replacement in 1985.

A weapon of historical and service longevity is going to have a significant following with good reason. The 1911 has not been a static relic, design improvements and model offerings have made a remarkable handgun with enduring popularity.

Rest easy my friend, it's reasonable to use caution when purchasing a used 1911. Having a check list of potential issues to evaluate pistols of unknown origin/condition along with user modification in a design that's been copied within it's hundred-plus years of production is a good thing. I suspect that when the G17 reaches these ages there will be a similar, albeit smaller list of concerns.

The 1911 of it's day was as revolutionary as was the 1982 Glock Model 17. No doubt, innovations and progressive technological enhancements will produce the next "revolutionary" weapon that will have the Glock crowd either changing and/or clinging to a nostalgic remembrance of the good ol' days.

I like the 1911 for what it is and I do own Glock, Beretta, Sig and Ruger; each have unique qualities and none perfect.

[Wil Ufgood]

Not that I'm lazy to do a search, well maybe I am. What's this guy Yeager's background? I hate the generic "trainer" term. Worked alongside a lot of "trainers" who were frankly a waste of space.

[bac1023]

Originally Posted by Jermzzzzzzz

I would like to know the OP's operational experience, or if he is an expert just cause he read a article in a stupid magazine by a stupid trainer.

Sent from my DROIDX

He said he only has Glocks and HKs, I believe.

[byf43]

Originally Posted by coleslaw

So I don't know if RECOIL is still popular with Glocktalk folks after the Jerry Tsai comments, but I still like to read it.

Anyway the last issue of the year came out and there is a article title "Kicking Tires On A 1911 Pistol" in which the author helps potential buyers of a 1911 pistol what to be weary of when buying used. I think the article was supposed to excite the reader about buying/owning a 1911 but all it did for me was scare me out of a 1911.

The problems/issues that the 1911 is plagued with has made me realize how blessed I am that I own Glocks and HK's. It made me realize truly how much the polymer pistols have changed the game. The author listed problems such as cracked frames, cracked grip panels, loose plunger tubes, barrel bushing cracks, and even damaged extractors and slide stops are the norm. The author mentioned that these are all common problems with 1911's... Things that should be expected with the 1911 pistol. And this is too throw on top of the more vigorous maintenence you must do to a 1911 to keep it running as effecient as a dirty Glock. I've never owned a 1911, but I've always wanted too just because the cool factor, beauty and history but I think I'll stick with my low maintenence polymer guns.

I know the 1911 guys can get real butt hurt about any bad talk about the 1911 so I'll just apologize now and get it out of the way. I think James Yeager said it best with 1911 guys... "A 1911 that works correctly is just as rare as a Glock that doesn't"... Now let the hate speech rain down on me.

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[K.Kiser]

I bought a 1911 one time, and it was so sucky... It actually had a barrel that was bent 160 degrees, and a mag that loaded backward... When it was fired the person behine me got shot by the brass casings, and the action would eject the bullet..

[DonD]

I don't own any 1911s but it's not for a lack of respect for the design. People have their own preferences but to suggest the 1911 is a poor firearm or one that is excessive fragile requiring extensive maintenance is laughable.

Guns that don't work don't last 100 yrs. Poor firearms don't create the virtual explosion of popularity the 1911 has seen in the past 20 yrs.

Guns aren't like cars or computer processors, 1911s work after 100 yrs just like Remington Model 700s after 50.

My son is LE and teaches CCW and snipers in his off hours private business. He just retired one of his 1911s after over 150,000 rds. He replaced a few parts here and there but nothing major. Don

[Steel Head]

Even after the OP's expert post I'm still dreaming of 1911's

[Veedubklown]

Originally Posted by GlockPride

You might want to edit this before BAC wakes up. He probably has the most *exquisite* and unique handgun collection on this forum. If not tops on this forum, at least top three.
He is no rank amateur and retains near encyclopedic knowledge of 20th century handguns.

Cheers and have a great day!

+1. This is a guy alot of us turn to for a resource on information, is quite respectable, and a cool dude. Show a little love

I'm not gonna join in on the hateful banter, but say that 1911 is indeed a fine pistol, and all the ones I've ever bought or considered buying, were used. None of the ones I've inspected (quite a few), have had a few (I've seen a couple, that were BEAT. I mean, abused.), but not many of those traits to be weary of. Sure, parts can break as with any mechanical device, and glocks are no different, man.

There's also checks you should do with buying a used glock, to be sure it's safe and able to fire. Such as checking your recoil spring's wear, inspecting your barrel for bulges, etc. All used guns should go through a safety inspection by someone who knows what they're looking at, before it's shot. That's not just 1911's.

Keep an open mind, is all I'm saying. There's guns out there that aren't safe, and shouldn't be considered buying, sure. The 1911 is not one, as a platform.

[deputy tom]

Recoil magazine is a strange rag. I never heard of the Yeager guy until a few weeks ago,watched a partial you-tube video and forgot about it until today's thread. I've owned several dozen 1911s thru the years and only had to tune maybe three extractors,replaced one broken MIM slide stop (swore off that brand of pistol) and throated half a dozen older Colts so they would feed hollow point ammo available at the time. Other than that I've never had any trouble with them. YMMV. tom.