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Old 12-04-2012, 14:04   #126
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Please explain to me the malfunction that could cause a Glock to fire a round without the trigger being pulled.
I'm not an armorer nor an engineer. I don't have an explanation.

The holster is a far more simple device though. Without a foreign object being introduced, a properly functioning SERPA holster in itself cannot pull the trigger, and will not allow anything else access to within the trigger gaurd.

But the gun did go bang, and if I don't think the holster is to blame, I can only bet on one other thing.
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Old 12-04-2012, 14:08   #127
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I'm not an armorer nor an engineer. I don't have an explanation.

The holster is a far more simple device though. Without a foreign object being introduced, a properly functioning SERPA holster in itself cannot pull the trigger, and will not allow anything else access to within the trigger gaurd.

But the gun did go bang, and if I don't think the holster is to blame, I can only bet on one other thing.
And let me add, a blockage in the holster that could push the trigger would have discharged the pistol right away.

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Old 12-04-2012, 14:14   #128
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Please explain to me the malfunction that could cause a Glock to fire a round without the trigger being pulled.
Arc Angel has it all figured out, check his multiple posts. .

I think he calls it stacking and we should all stop
carrying our Glocks in condition 1.

My opinion conflicts with his, but I have a low post count
so what do I know. .
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Old 12-04-2012, 14:19   #129
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First, thank god no one got hurt!

Like most people say, something had to have pull the trigger.

Also, in the future, a safer practice would be to remove the weapon from the holster and unload it and then take off the holster. Never handle a holster with a firearm inside.

Its very unlikely that its the glock since the functionality of a glock and safety mechanism would not allow a AD in the described circumstances. Even if it was poorly modified.

I dont think its the holster, looking at my blackhawk, bladetech, comptac, glock, other generic holsters............I cant see anything close that would pull the trigger.

I think when the OP holstered his weapon into the holster, he might have had a string or some clothes caught inside with slight tension and when he removed the holster, the trigger got pulled by whatever was holding onto it.

Also, many time people do not realize their trigger was touched with a finger during an AD..............not saying this is the case since we were not there, but I dont think this is likely with the blackhawk.

Point to consider: Guns dont fire themselves, holsters dont fire guns..........its human intervention generally cause such dilemma. I would think if it was the holster then why did the gun choose to fire just when it was taken off? Seem like if the holster had something to press on the trigger then it would have happened at the time of inserting the weapon.
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Old 12-04-2012, 14:20   #130
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Old 12-04-2012, 14:23   #131
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Arc Angel has it all figured out, check his multiple posts. .

I think he calls it stacking and we should all stop
carrying our Glocks in condition 1.

My opinion conflicts with his, but I have a low post count
so what do I know. .
I've never understood about people thinking if your post count is high then you know what your talking about. My son is 15 and I would put money on it that he knows more about Glocks then half the members on here and he has a 0 post count on here. The other day My son was showing his uncle how to break his new G19 slide completely down.
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Old 12-04-2012, 14:41   #132
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I've never understood about people thinking if your post count is high then you know what your talking about. My son is 15 and I would put money on it that he knows more about Glocks then half the members on here and he has a 0 post count on here. The other day My son was showing his uncle how to break his new G19 slide completely down.
I know it, I was being sarcastic. It's an inside joke
between another member & I in a PM regarding how
Arc Angel responded to several of my posts.

That's great your son has been learning safe firearms
training and handling at a young age. When did you start
working with him?
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Old 12-04-2012, 15:19   #133
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I want to say I have been carrying the same Glock in a Serpa for some time so I am very interested in the results.
What bothers me is the reaction by some members. There are several people that probably don't even own a serpa saying how dangerous they are and yelling at their computers to get rid of them immediately.
You sound like the media talking about guns. Placing blame without proof, I have sat here for an hour looking at my serpa and there is no way it can be to blame if it was the right model for the gun. We are not talking about pulling the trigger while drawing the weapon. Once locked in the serpa there is nothing close to the trigger. Don't blame the holster just because you don't want to blame the Glock. I hope it can be figured out with a logical explanation. Until then all of my Glocks will go back in their Serpas.
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I think it will be interesting to see if someone can't safely replicate what happened, and try to figure out exactly what happened, so the rest of us can try our best to avoid it.
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I know it, I was being sarcastic. It's an inside joke
between another member & I in a PM regarding how
Arc Angel responded to several of my posts.

That's great your son has been learning safe firearms
training and handling at a young age. When did you start
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I have 2 sons one is 17 and the other is 15. I started them both out shooting Glocks when they were 6. My oldest son likes guns but doesn't love them. My 15 year old loves them. Specially Glocks.
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I want to say I have been carrying the same Glock in a Serpa for some time so I am very interested in the results.
What bothers me is the reaction by some members. There are several people that probably don't even own a serpa saying how dangerous they are and yelling at their computers to get rid of them immediately.
You sound like the media talking about guns. Placing blame without proof, I have sat here for an hour looking at my serpa and there is no way it can be to blame if it was the right model for the gun. We are not talking about pulling the trigger while drawing the weapon. Once locked in the serpa there is nothing close to the trigger. Don't blame the holster just because you don't want to blame the Glock. I hope it can be figured out with a logical explanation. Until then all of my Glocks will go back in their Serpas.
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I think it will be interesting to see if someone can't safely replicate what happened, and try to figure out exactly what happened, so the rest of us can try our best to avoid it.
Thats what I wish this thread would have turned into, instead of the usual "I know more" and "post count" discussion. I did a lot of testing and even tried to put shirt/coat tail in the holster (around trigger) and then took the holster off and nope, trigger was not pulled. Not sure what else I could do with the holster and gun except maybe take a hammer to it and see if it will go off. I will like to hear an update from the OP so we can make sure that we are aware and help minimize this from happening to anyone else if avoidable.
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Thats what I wish this thread would have turned into, instead of the usual "I know more" and "post count" discussion. I did a lot of testing and even tried to put shirt/coat tail in the holster (around trigger) and then took the holster off and nope, trigger was not pulled. Not sure what else I could do with the holster and gun except maybe take a hammer to it and see if it will go off. I will like to hear an update from the OP so we can make sure that we are aware and help minimize this from happening to anyone else if avoidable.
Exactly, that's what I want, results, not pissing contests. If this is the fault of the holster, how can we avoid it happening again? If this is the fault of the firearm, how can we avoid it happening again? If this is the fault of the user, how can we avoid it happening again?
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Exactly, that's what I want, results, not pissing contests. If this is the fault of the holster, how can we avoid it happening again? If this is the fault of the firearm, how can we avoid it happening again? If this is the fault of the user, how can we avoid it happening again?
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I have 2 sons one is 17 and the other is 15. I started them both out shooting Glocks when they were 6. My oldest son likes guns but doesn't love them. My 15 year old loves them. Specially Glocks.
That's cool, I like your signature as well.

Now we just need an update from the OP.
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Exactly, that's what I want, results, not pissing contests. If this is the fault of the holster, how can we avoid it happening again? If this is the fault of the firearm, how can we avoid it happening again? If this is the fault of the user, how can we avoid it happening again?
I agree , its hard to post about anything without the pissing contestants getting involved. If you disregard them, you will find many normal civil acting people here.
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I agree , its hard to post about anything without the pissing contestants getting involved. If you disregard them, you will find many normal civil acting people here.
Yeah, that is true, but having to scroll through pages and pages of pissing contests to find the onesies and twosies of actual posts gets annoying.
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I do not have pics of it yet, will take some later today though! Here is the link to the exact holster I have though.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/49651
Have you had a chance to get some pictures? I'm wanting to see what damage it caused to your holster.
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Well I'm pretty sure Glocks are number 1 for AD, regardless of holster, traning, experience, ect.... Glocks seems to be the most common demominator when you hear of AD.
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Well I'm pretty sure Glocks are number 1 for AD, regardless of holster, traning, experience, ect.... Glocks seems to be the most common demominator when you hear of AD.
Well considering there's more Glocks out there then any other handgun, ya I'm sure there will be more report's on AD's with Glocks..
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Just a quick search on Glock accident vs. Berretta Accident . this is what I came up with.


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Well considering there's more Glocks out there then any other handgun, ya I'm sure there will be more report's on AD's with Glocks..
I said regardless....Just way too many AD/ND, could also be the quality of people who buy/play with them.

I like my glocks, but I'm not going to CCW one in my pants with a round in the chamber, a little too close to the BOYS for that.... I do trust my Kahr close to the BOYS though, and thats what I CCW.
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The number one safety is between your ears.


Glocks are one of the easiest guns for point and shoot. They go bang when you pull the trigger. No fuss, no manual safety, no steps to take before they work. That's one of the main reasons I carry them...

In every single NG/AD I've ever heard of, the trigger was pulled. Either negligently or accidentally. Last I checked any gun will go bang as intended (so long as it's ready to) when you pull the trigger.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Guns dont fire themselves, people fire them. Really dont think there's much more to it than that...
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Just a quick search on Glock accident vs. Berretta Accident . this is what I came up with.

Glock Accident - YouTube
glock accident - YouTube
Cop Shoots himself in the leg - YouTube

1991 Chevy Beretta GTZ Barrier Crash Test - YouTube



That is some hilarious $#!T right there. But again, in each vid the trigger was pulled... which would yeild the same results with any gun, regardless of the manufacturer. But everyone already knows that.

Man the Beretta... brings back memories.
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