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Old 12-03-2012, 15:26   #61
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Something smells fishy here.
Ya think

A connector and a trigger bar w/trigger. I don't see anything like a sear.

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Old 12-03-2012, 15:35   #62
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I know the Serpa gets a lot of flack for the finger button but the problem is with the draw stroke. I have NEVER heard of an issue with simply laying the holster down with the gun in it.

This is why you ALWAYS maintain muzzle discipline, even when you KNOW the gun is empty or it's holstered. Guns can go off but bullets always fly straight.

Sure sounds to me like a problem with the gun.

Did you recover the bullet?

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Old 12-03-2012, 15:50   #63
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Yea I was wondering the same about the push button. I wouldn't think it was strong enough to do something like that. AFAIK there was no debris or objects in the holster etc. None that I saw at least. I am just completely dumbfounded about this.
Yeah thats strange. I'm a little bored today so I broke out my Serpa and unloaded G23 (gen3). First I was able to remove the release button with a punch and some needle nose pliers and there is no way the release button could fall back into the holster. The small retention part is too small to cause an AD. I then put it back together and inserted various small objects inside the holster (pen cap, very small piece of wood, screw) and there was very little room in the trigger housing part. I also placed the pen cap, screw and small piece of wood on the face of the trigger and tried inserting the gun into the holster to these results:
1. The pen cap broke upon reholstering, trigger was not engaged
2. The small screw fit inside and I was able to reholster, trigger was not engaged
3. The small piece of wood did not fit and I was not able to reholster, trigger was not engaged
I even took it a step further and slammed the the gun and holster around and dropped it off the bed onto hardwood floors and the trigger did not engage (sorry I was bored). I'm a believer that anything is possible. OP I believe you definitely have a defective holster I would send it back to Blackhawk or discard of it and never use again.

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Old 12-03-2012, 16:49   #64
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Or get a leather holster. Leather being softer would never be able to engage a glock trigger. Just my two cents.
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Old 12-03-2012, 16:55   #65
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never say never.
That's what I like about Kydex, Kydex isn't soft and won't roll up like that.
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Old 12-03-2012, 17:09   #66
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Ya think

A connector and a trigger bar w/trigger. I don't see anything like a sear.

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The sear is at the end of the trigger bar, its the section that engages the striker leg.

This animation explains it:

http://www.genitron.com/Basics/Interactive-Glock-Pistol
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Old 12-03-2012, 17:37   #67
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never say never.

my bad I should have said "well made leather"
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Old 12-03-2012, 18:03   #68
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never say never.
That holster is worn out & should have been replaced a
long time ago, owner error.

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The sear is at the end of the trigger bar, its the section that engages the striker leg.
First, I'm no Glock newb.

That is part of the trigger bar and is NOT called a sear
by Glock or any Glock parts source.

I've seen many discriptions of how Glocks function and
they all say the trigger bar function "like" a sear.

When you order that part you ask for or search for a trigger bar.
Search for a sear at Glockparts.com, see what you get.

Call them & ask for a sear, see what they say.

I have the Glock armorers manual and no where
does it mention a sear.
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Old 12-03-2012, 18:08   #69
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Smith M&P sear and a 1911 sear, nothing like that
on a Glock trigger bar.



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Old 12-03-2012, 18:12   #70
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Take the gun unload it and double check that its unloaded, leave the magazine out and see if you can replicate what happened.

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Old 12-03-2012, 18:15   #71
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The TBI issue holster is the Blackhawk serpa. I have never heard of an AD with the pistol holstered

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Old 12-03-2012, 18:16   #72
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The sear is at the end of the trigger bar,

Here's a real Glock sear, for a G18


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Old 12-03-2012, 18:19   #73
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The OP states that you took the pistol out of the holster and placed it on the table, the pistol fired as it was placed on the table. If the holster was at fault it would have fired as you were pulling it out of the holster. If all the internal parts are installed, a glock will not fire unless the trigger is pulled. The question is what pulled the trigger ? USE CAUTION WHEN HANDLING FIREARMS
No the OP took his paddle holster off his belt and placed the weapon (still holstered) on the table.
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Old 12-03-2012, 18:26   #74
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A couple thoughts

I'm far from a mechanical wizard, but here's a couple thoughts about the Serpa:

1. I notice there are some moving parts inside mine near the trigger area. I also notice some "play" in my G38 foreward and back. If the gun were able to push any farther into the holster, that retention lug COULD come in contact with the trigger. That might happen if the holster was VERY loose, or if the trigger guard had been modified....OR could the holster in question have been made for a different make, or model of pistol? (for example: might someone at a LGS have been looking at 2 holsters and accidentally put a XXX Serpa back in a Glock Serpa package? What kind of pistol would have a longer trigger guard?)

2. I have seen someone wedge a small foreign object under the outside of the retention lug to prevent it from locking the pistol in the holster. Something the right shape (??) COULD work into the inside of the holster and engage the trigger when it is jarred.

Just a couple hare-brained thoughts that might explain what could have happened.
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The possibility of a holster swap at the LGS level
could happen. The OP should compare his to another
at the LGS. Good post
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Old 12-03-2012, 19:31   #76
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I have never liked those holsters myself. There are some issues with it for sure. I know that we can not use them at FLETC after someone put a nice hole in his thigh when holstering his Sig. Glad no one was hurt and at least u get to practice fixing holes in the wall...lol Thanks for the post!
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Or get a leather holster. Leather being softer would never be able to engage a glock trigger. Just my two cents.
A soft leather holster was the cause of a pistol firing when the soft leather was pushed into the trigger.
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Old 12-03-2012, 20:11   #78
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Good post about it possibly being a holster for a different size/make handgun. I also noticed that small S shaped moving part inside the trigger guard, in the same turn I also noticed that its flimsy and made of soft plastic and that would never be able to pull the trigger even if it broke off and wedged itself in the trigger guard. Hence the reason why I didn't even mention it in my post.
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All I needed to hear. Dump it. There's a reason most trainers ban this holster.
Sucks it happened to you & I'm glad no one was hurt.
This is NOT the reason trainers ban the holster. They ban the holster because people can't keep their finger off the trigger while drawing due to poor technique.

There is no way a SERPA holster without defects could depress the trigger. You need to have gun checked to make sure all the safeties are functioning properly.
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I think Sturm explains it well. As DannyR said; this is certainly not the first time this has happened.
Please show me one other time (other than the OP's experience) a GLOCK has fired while secured in a SERPA holster. The example you give is a negligent discharge while unholstering a weapon.
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