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Old 12-03-2012, 11:39   #51
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Fortunately no one was injured.

You said you bought it new recently and that is was stock.

1. Has the pistol been detail stripped since you bought it?

2. Did you check to see if the firing safety was operating correctly when you field stripped it?
I have only stripped it to the recommended point to clean the pistol tbh. When I field stripped it though I DID check that the firing safety operated correctly, it did. I wasnt able to make the trigger release or anything by repeating the process with the now UNLOADED pistol.
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Old 12-03-2012, 11:41   #52
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I have only stripped it to the recommended point to clean the pistol tbh. When I field stripped it though I DID check that the firing safety operated correctly, it did. I wasnt able to make the trigger release or anything by repeating the process with the now UNLOADED pistol.
Thanks for the reply. It will be interesting to see what your Armorer has to say. Please do let us know.
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Old 12-03-2012, 12:22   #53
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Do you know how the striker system in these guns operates...?

I'm not saying it can't be the gun, but based on odds it's probably a 1:1,000,000 chance that it is...
Yes, I am pretty aware on the operation.

Due to the nature of this AD, something just doesn't seem right.
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Old 12-03-2012, 12:50   #54
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Well the Glock Armorer says that my pistol is 100% in good working order. So he thinks maybe the push button had stuck on my trigger by being loose and falling too far into the trigger guard. And when I set it down the pistol maybe shifted forward enough to engage the trigger on said push button? Maybe he is on to something. Going to check the push button on that serpa as I get home.
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Old 12-03-2012, 13:02   #55
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Well the Glock Armorer says that my pistol is 100% in good working order. So he thinks maybe the push button had stuck on my trigger by being loose and falling too far into the trigger guard. And when I set it down the pistol maybe shifted forward enough to engage the trigger on said push button? Maybe he is on to something. Going to check the push button on that serpa as I get home.
Interesting. I have a push-button holster for my M&P Pro that I use for plate shoots. It was all my LGS had on short notice as I needed one fast to use during competition. That said, all of my carry guns are in thumb break or kydex retention holsters. I personally will not carry anything that I can't simply grab and pull from, or that has anything interfearing with the trigger...
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OP glad to hear that the gun is 100% after Glock armorer inspection. I took a look at one of my Serpas this morning and there is only one moving part on the holster and that is the release button. I believe this button is not big or strong enough to pull the trigger even if it broke off and fell inside the holster. This button is part of the retention system and if broken you would have felt the gun moving around and have noticed it when you set it down. Did you check for any foreign objects inside the holster after it happened? I have a couple of Serpas that I don't use anymore, not because I feel they are unsafe but because I like my Comptac paddles a little better. I would not hesitate to slide one of my Serpas on if needed (after inspecting it of course). The main thing is that no one was hurt. Keep us updated.
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Old 12-03-2012, 13:52   #57
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Glocks don't have a sear.
Gee, when I went to the armorer's school they did.
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Old 12-03-2012, 14:09   #58
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Something smells fishy here.
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Old 12-03-2012, 14:21   #59
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Gee, when I went to the armorer's school they did.

Can you show me the sear in the Glock armorer's manual??
As far as I know the trigger bar and connector do that work and release the striker after pulling it back. This is page 23.
Let me know if you need another page posted.

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Old 12-03-2012, 14:25   #60
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Yea I was wondering the same about the push button. I wouldn't think it was strong enough to do something like that. AFAIK there was no debris or objects in the holster etc. None that I saw at least. I am just completely dumbfounded about this.
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Something smells fishy here.
Ya think

A connector and a trigger bar w/trigger. I don't see anything like a sear.

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Old 12-03-2012, 14:35   #62
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I know the Serpa gets a lot of flack for the finger button but the problem is with the draw stroke. I have NEVER heard of an issue with simply laying the holster down with the gun in it.

This is why you ALWAYS maintain muzzle discipline, even when you KNOW the gun is empty or it's holstered. Guns can go off but bullets always fly straight.

Sure sounds to me like a problem with the gun.

Did you recover the bullet?

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Yea I was wondering the same about the push button. I wouldn't think it was strong enough to do something like that. AFAIK there was no debris or objects in the holster etc. None that I saw at least. I am just completely dumbfounded about this.
Yeah thats strange. I'm a little bored today so I broke out my Serpa and unloaded G23 (gen3). First I was able to remove the release button with a punch and some needle nose pliers and there is no way the release button could fall back into the holster. The small retention part is too small to cause an AD. I then put it back together and inserted various small objects inside the holster (pen cap, very small piece of wood, screw) and there was very little room in the trigger housing part. I also placed the pen cap, screw and small piece of wood on the face of the trigger and tried inserting the gun into the holster to these results:
1. The pen cap broke upon reholstering, trigger was not engaged
2. The small screw fit inside and I was able to reholster, trigger was not engaged
3. The small piece of wood did not fit and I was not able to reholster, trigger was not engaged
I even took it a step further and slammed the the gun and holster around and dropped it off the bed onto hardwood floors and the trigger did not engage (sorry I was bored). I'm a believer that anything is possible. OP I believe you definitely have a defective holster I would send it back to Blackhawk or discard of it and never use again.

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Or get a leather holster. Leather being softer would never be able to engage a glock trigger. Just my two cents.
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Old 12-03-2012, 15:55   #65
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never say never.
That's what I like about Kydex, Kydex isn't soft and won't roll up like that.
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Ya think

A connector and a trigger bar w/trigger. I don't see anything like a sear.

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The sear is at the end of the trigger bar, its the section that engages the striker leg.

This animation explains it:

http://www.genitron.com/Basics/Interactive-Glock-Pistol
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Old 12-03-2012, 16:37   #67
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never say never.

my bad I should have said "well made leather"
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Old 12-03-2012, 17:03   #68
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never say never.
That holster is worn out & should have been replaced a
long time ago, owner error.

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The sear is at the end of the trigger bar, its the section that engages the striker leg.
First, I'm no Glock newb.

That is part of the trigger bar and is NOT called a sear
by Glock or any Glock parts source.

I've seen many discriptions of how Glocks function and
they all say the trigger bar function "like" a sear.

When you order that part you ask for or search for a trigger bar.
Search for a sear at Glockparts.com, see what you get.

Call them & ask for a sear, see what they say.

I have the Glock armorers manual and no where
does it mention a sear.
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Smith M&P sear and a 1911 sear, nothing like that
on a Glock trigger bar.



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Take the gun unload it and double check that its unloaded, leave the magazine out and see if you can replicate what happened.

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Old 12-03-2012, 17:15   #71
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The TBI issue holster is the Blackhawk serpa. I have never heard of an AD with the pistol holstered

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The sear is at the end of the trigger bar,

Here's a real Glock sear, for a G18


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The OP states that you took the pistol out of the holster and placed it on the table, the pistol fired as it was placed on the table. If the holster was at fault it would have fired as you were pulling it out of the holster. If all the internal parts are installed, a glock will not fire unless the trigger is pulled. The question is what pulled the trigger ? USE CAUTION WHEN HANDLING FIREARMS
No the OP took his paddle holster off his belt and placed the weapon (still holstered) on the table.
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A couple thoughts

I'm far from a mechanical wizard, but here's a couple thoughts about the Serpa:

1. I notice there are some moving parts inside mine near the trigger area. I also notice some "play" in my G38 foreward and back. If the gun were able to push any farther into the holster, that retention lug COULD come in contact with the trigger. That might happen if the holster was VERY loose, or if the trigger guard had been modified....OR could the holster in question have been made for a different make, or model of pistol? (for example: might someone at a LGS have been looking at 2 holsters and accidentally put a XXX Serpa back in a Glock Serpa package? What kind of pistol would have a longer trigger guard?)

2. I have seen someone wedge a small foreign object under the outside of the retention lug to prevent it from locking the pistol in the holster. Something the right shape (??) COULD work into the inside of the holster and engage the trigger when it is jarred.

Just a couple hare-brained thoughts that might explain what could have happened.
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The possibility of a holster swap at the LGS level
could happen. The OP should compare his to another
at the LGS. Good post
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