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Old 01-18-2013, 17:51   #651
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OK, I have looked at the image, and a question comes to mind - what is the lever-looking device on the holster in the trigger area?
That's the lever that you put your index/trigger finger up against to release the gun and also the lever that gets this holster banned in some competitions and the lever that gets clogged up with dirt and becomes inoperable in hostile environments.

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Old 01-18-2013, 18:38   #652
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That's the lever that you put your index/trigger finger up against to release the gun and also the lever that gets this holster banned in some competitions and the lever that gets clogged up with dirt and becomes inoperable in hostile environments.
So how does that lever hold the pistol in the holster? It looks suspiciously close to the trigger.
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Old 01-18-2013, 19:40   #653
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Yes, of course there has.

Two that spring immediately to mind are:
1) The Suffolk County PD (NY) AD, where a Glock was slam-firing.
2) The DEA Frisbee Test.

It is widely believed that these events were the key impetus behind the 1992 Technical Bulletin issued by Glock. No doubt there were many other incidents by individuals that were being dismissed with the same level of arrogance/ignorance/overconfidence as this incident (by certain individuals on this thread)...but must have been occuring with enough regularity that Glock was beginning to wonder. And those 2 incidences were ones that Glock could not cover up/dismiss...at that point they had to address the problem.
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Old 01-18-2013, 19:44   #654
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Ok, talked to a Glock rep today. Glock replaced multiple parts. They informed me that it looked as if their was a trigger job done to it at some point in time. No other info from them on the issue though. I definitely did not do this...so it is for sure used. They said I should have my pistol back in 2 days though! So that is a plus.
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Old 01-18-2013, 20:03   #655
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So how does that lever hold the pistol in the holster? It looks suspiciously close to the trigger.
A protrusion on the other side of the 'lever' just clicks over the front of the trigger guard when the gun's inserted. It isn't near the trigger itself. The ADs/NDs happen when shooters continue to press after the gun is released, curling their finger into the trigger guard and onto the trigger as the gun comes out of the holster.
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Old 01-18-2013, 20:57   #656
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"It was not the holster."

I read this thread before I became a member, and wasn't able to post. It has grown. I asked an employee of Black Hawk about this situation. He had some knowledge of a design modification done years ago, in response to concerns about accidental discharges. He didn't know of any actual cases of ad. My feeling was that the mods were made in order to meet the specifications of some order. I hope this helps.
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Old 01-18-2013, 21:08   #657
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...He didn't know of any actual cases of ad. My feeling was that the mods were made in order to meet the specifications of some order. I hope this helps.
Probably doesn't help those who continue to have ADs. It isn't the holster, per se - it's misuse of the holster. And these particular holsters remain easier to misuse for some.
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Old 01-19-2013, 04:51   #658
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Any shooter who puts their finger inthe trigger guard o ce the gun clears the holster can make the gun fire. No easier with a SERPA than any other holster. It's a shooter issue.
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Old 01-19-2013, 08:51   #660
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I've had the same thing happen with safariland from rolling around in sand and gravel. Gear is gear. It's the user that makes it run or not.
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The whole problem is in the practice of carring in C1. That's why I never carry this way. Remember Murphy's Law, if it can happen, it will happen . It's so easy to quickly chamber a round and carry safely.
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The whole problem is in the practice of carring in C1. That's why I never carry this way. Remember Murphy's Law, if it can happen, it will happen . It's so easy to quickly chamber a round and carry safely.
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The whole problem is in the practice of carring in C1. That's why I never carry this way. Remember Murphy's Law, if it can happen, it will happen . It's so easy to quickly chamber a round and carry safely.
Trgtguy- I agree, although since my childhood this remains a touchy subject. I carried a G-19 daily for over 15 years using Uncle Mikes soft holsters, left hand type, inside the pants on my right side, no round in the chamber. With practice, I came came on target fast enough to be comfortable. There's the possibility of having to rack the slide one handed, which I practiced as well. And a million other eventualities. Choices.
I have had two accidental discharges in my lifetime- both due to operator error. Both from not clearing the weapons after use. Good safety practice made for no injuries. Better would have made for no ad! 23 years of carry, 40,000 rounds through those side-arms, and I'm a certified amateur. Think I'll look for a thread where people discuss this- or start one if needed. Even Marvelous Marvin Hagler didn't win every fight, people make mistakes, we should talk about how to avoid them.
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Old 01-19-2013, 18:50   #664
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That pistol was ready to go off ALL DAY.

The trigger was partially pulled when it went into the holster and it just needed a tiny impact to finish the pull.

You're SO lucky it didn't hurt somebody.

Get a new holster and be more careful. One in the chamber is the way a glock is meant to be carried.

The best safety is a careful user.

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That pistol was ready to go off ALL DAY.

The trigger was partially pulled when it went into the holster and it just needed a tiny impact to finish the pull.

You're SO lucky it didn't hurt somebody.

Get a new holster and be more careful. One in the chamber is the way a glock is meant to be carried.

The best safety is a careful user.

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Old 01-19-2013, 19:15   #666
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That pistol was ready to go off ALL DAY.

The trigger was partially pulled when it went into the holster and it just needed a tiny impact to finish the pull.

You're SO lucky it didn't hurt somebody.

Get a new holster and be more careful. One in the chamber is the way a glock is meant to be carried.

The best safety is a careful user.
The retention 'clip' on the Serpa holster isn't anywhere near the actual trigger so there was nothing to impact unless there was something in the holster with the gun, at the trigger. Not likely.

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Old 01-19-2013, 20:34   #667
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How common is it to leave it holstered when taking it off?Glad no one was hurt.
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Old 01-24-2013, 17:13   #668
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Must have been one of them assault weapons that jump off tables and kill folks without having bad people behind them...
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A protrusion on the other side of the 'lever' just clicks over the front of the trigger guard when the gun's inserted. It isn't near the trigger itself. The ADs/NDs happen when shooters continue to press after the gun is released, curling their finger into the trigger guard and onto the trigger as the gun comes out of the holster.
That would do it indeed!
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How common is it to leave it holstered when taking it off?
Quite common and generally held to be the safest and proper way to do it.
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I see the OP is still mysteriously absent.
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Old 01-25-2013, 04:34   #673
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Perhaps he is lactose intolerant.
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I see the OP is still mysteriously absent.

It does make you wonder about the truth of his story ???
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It does make you wonder about the truth of his story ???
Indeed it does.
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